Mudfly Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 Ok Bernie lovers.....here it is....he says he can turn it around in 1-2 years or he'll fire himself..... 1) Do you think he actually can? 2) Would he get more "patience" than the Farmer? (or others before him) 3) Would he need rehab, ala Johnny, before coming in?...(serious question, btw)... I know folks are talking we should hire Peyton Manning, so why not Bernie instead?....personally, I have no reason to believe Manning is GM material(or Bernie ftm)... .....but I do know Bernie knows football and how to use players....just dont know if he can evaluate and pick em...... http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2015/11/08/bernie-kosar-says-hire-me-to-fix-browns/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBrown Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 1) No 2) Yes 3) No idea what problems this guy has Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 1. I'd take a chance on him. Can't do worse than we've already done. At least he legit loves the browns. 2. It's the nfl so probably not. However I'd trust his football assessments more. 3. I don't know. Maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted November 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 Can't do worse than we've already done. At least he legit loves the browns. I dont know either....but this is kind of how I feel..... He will at least give his heart and soul to the team.....and make all his decisions for the "right" reasons.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul warfield Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 Peyton is a publicity whore, for all his success I have never heard him share credit with the o line, wideouts, backs, coaches or any one else. Bernie would be my choice as GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 IT's not entirely clear what he wants to be, GM? I'm assuming but he doesn't say. In any case, yes yes and more yes. Why we haven't let this guy into the org yet is beyond me. He bleeds this team. He loves this city, franchise etc, etc....he could have gone anywhere after he retired. Reward this guy and you'll see a person who isn't interested in padding his resume to go somewhere else. Frankly i'd give him more than 2 years, I don't want to see him back himself into a corner. But he says "competitive"...so there's some lee way in that statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Dawg Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 I dont know either....but this is kind of how I feel..... He will at least give his heart and soul to the team.....and make all his decisions for the "right" reasons.... Totally agree, Bernie has always been a "Cleveland Brown" and I believe he would hold the organization's best interest to heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 Totally agree, Bernie has always been a "Cleveland Brown" and I believe he would hold the organization's best interest to heart. I dont know either....but this is kind of how I feel..... He will at least give his heart and soul to the team.....and make all his decisions for the "right" reasons.... Same can be said of 90% of the members here. Doesn't mean we are qualified to be GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 I don't think he could do it at all, but at the same time he literally couldn't be worse than some of the duds we've hired. 3-4 years ago I would have shunned the move but at this point it literally can't be worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 How about GM by committee - vote on every single draft pick and roster decision... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted November 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 How about GM by committee - vote on every single draft pick and roster decision... Well....based upon Farmers pressy last week, this is what we are doing now...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBrown Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 Well....based upon Farmers pressy last week, this is what we are doing now...... Haha yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Dawg Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 Doesn't mean we are qualified to be GM. Neither is Ray Farmer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns1216 Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 I would love having Bernie be involved, maybe not as GM but as some sort of consultant. I'm not sure how great he is at scouting talent but he is great at reading offenses and defenses and can really help our young coordinators out, especially O'Neil. This is a guy who actually does care for the Cleveland Browns and would help change the losing culture in the organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 He should be with the organization in some capacity, period. The guy seems to have gotten over all of his personal issues, at least it appears that way he's been out of the spot light. Whatever you say about him: he really, really knows football and knows it well. We have a talented football mind who loves the Browns and wants to be a part of the organization and has been in the past, bring him in to do something. Not president or GM or anything like that, but he should be in the room when people talk football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 If Bernie can't get it done, then we just bring in Vinny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 Let's just go get bill belichick and skip the middle men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 in a heartbeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob806 Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 If Bernie can't get it done, then we just bring in Vinny Or Todd Philcox lol. I always thought he'd be a great QB coach or offensive coordinator, not sure on the GM part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 While we're on the subject, Joe Thomas for GM when he retires, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted November 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 Same can be said of 90% of the members here. Doesn't mean we are qualified to be GM. How about GM by committee - vote on every single draft pick and roster decision... Let's just go get bill belichick and skip the middle men. While we're on the subject, Joe Thomas for GM when he retires, IMO. We'll assume you are a no...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 I think Weedon would do well. He has been with the Browns and been through it's QB wringer and fully understands what bad football really looks like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 What's TD tommy vardell doing these days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 We'll assume you are a no...... Ha! Yeah, I'm not on board with it. He has no qualifications besides 'loves the browns' which he has in common with many. Dead serious about Joe Thomas though, you read his interviews and you can see there's a deep thinker in there. http://videos.cleveland.com/plain-dealer/2015/10/browns_joe_thomas_on_dt_vs_de.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kvoethe Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 Peyton's the man ENGLEWOOD, Colo. -- Maybe it's a photographic memory. Or perhaps it's a microprocessor mind that allows for instant recollection of long-ago minutiae. Or it's the countless hours of study and repetition. For Peyton Manning, all are among his primary assets as a quarterback. And they help explain not only his career, but a deep appreciation of the past, and the people who helped him reach this point. Among those at the top of the list are two men who will spend this week plotting to topple Manning and the Broncos: Cardinals head coach Bruce Arians and assistant head coach/offensive consultant Tom Moore. When the Indianapolis Colts drafted Manning 16 years ago, Moore was the offensive coordinator and Arians the quarterbacks coach. Their task was to make Manning a franchise quarterback worthy of that year's top overall pick. To put it mildly, mission accomplished. Manning admits today he is "indebted" to both of them. Manning, Moore and Arians share a variety of traits, chief among them honesty, intelligence and persistence. "Good" was not good enough. Their triumvirate was perfect for making Manning what he became. Moore, as the Colts' offensive coordinator, endured. For the first 13 years of Manning's career, they worked together, creating some of the most dynamic offenses the league has ever seen. "It’s pretty rare for coordinator and a quarterback to stay that long together," Manning said. "People used to always tell both of us, 'Boy, you’re lucky you got the same coordinator every year and they tell him you’ve got the same quarterback every year.' "I think we both kind of say, ‘Hey, if you call good plays and you play good quarterback, they’re going to keep you.'" Arians might have had the chance to linger if he'd taken it. But larger roles awaited for him, which led him to a head-coaching career that is already a phenomenal success. After the 2000 season, Arians left Indianapolis to become the Browns' offensive coordinator. He spent nine of the next 12 seasons as a coordinator for the Browns, Steelers, and finally, in 2012, the Colts. Other quarterback coaches guided Manning, and added to the foundation laid by Arians. But to this day, Manning leans upon Arians' detailed instruction. "He would coach me hard and I would kind of learn what I did wrong and I really used that experience and got a lot better my second year," Manning said. "So I’ll be indebted to Bruce, as well. He taught me a lot of fundamentals in those first three years that I still use today." The roles Arians and Moore have in Arizona are reversed from their Indianapolis days; now it's Moore who works as Arians' right-hand man. But their work remains impeccable. Their coaching of Carson Palmer and, now, Drew Stanton, further cements their status as quarterback whisperers. Not that the self-deprecating Arians will admit to being a guru of the position. That was evident when he was asked about Manning's progress since Arians left the Colts after the 2000 season. "He’s gotten a lot smarter," Arians said. "He overcame my coaching, that’s for sure." Manning's willingness to take himself down a peg matches Arians when the subject of his rookie season arises. The quarterback is quick to mention the NFL rookie record for interceptions that he set in 1998 -- "which anytime one of these rookies wants to break it, I’m all for it," he added. But Manning's growth that year was obvious. In the second half of the season, his quarterback rating was 13.6 points higher, his touchdown-to-interception ratio had nearly flipped (from 11-to-16 to 15-to-12), his yardage per attempt increased by 0.2 yards and his completion percentage rose by 3.2 percent. "You knew he was going to be a great player—that turnaround he made from the first eight games to the second [half of his rookie season], let alone the first year to the second year," Arians said. "You saw the greatness coming." Arians also saw the mental edge that Manning had. His rapacity for devouring data led Arians to call Manning "the piranha" this week. "You can't give him enough information. I mean, he eats it up," Arians said. "If you had an hour-and-a-half meeting scheduled with him, you'd better have two and a half hours of material ready, because he was going to eat through it so fast and be able to give it back to you." For Manning, that was -- and is -- the only way to operate. "When you come in as a rookie, I think that’s a good approach to have, to ask a lot of questions and try to learn as much as you can," Manning said. "During the good times and the bad times of my first year with Bruce, it was tough. We only won three games. But the next two years we went to the playoffs and we turned it around, and I think (it was) because I asked a lot of questions and Bruce gave me honest answers, as did Tom. "So I guess one thing I do fairly well is I can recall conversations and answers to questions from a long time ago and situations, and I think that helps you as a quarterback when you can refer to something that happened years ago." And the "piranha" nickname? "I take it as a compliment," Manning said. "Peyton the piranha." It has a ring to it. But it might not be something you could say today without Arians and Moore challenging Manning to extract everything possible from his talent and skills. They were the right brains together at the right time, and the history of the quarterback position in the NFL is changed because of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 Same can be said of 90% of the members here. Doesn't mean we are qualified to be GM. I don't know how he'd be as a GM- but OC? Ha! Yeah, I'm not on board with it. He has no qualifications besides 'loves the browns' which he has in common with many. Dead serious about Joe Thomas though, you read his interviews and you can see there's a deep thinker in there. http://videos.cleveland.com/plain-dealer/2015/10/browns_joe_thomas_on_dt_vs_de.html Chris, you probably didn't get the preseason feeds when Bernie was the color commentator. The guy could see how a defense was set up against our offense. Heard him say more than once "that play's not going to work". POW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 Sure, he wants a job. So far he hasn't been a success in business. How often do star players become successful general managers? I think people would answer that question differently if it were another quarterback with his resume that sounded like they were brain damaged. Yes he would get a longer lease from Bernie fans around here. Quite possibly too long. Think about it. Why is no other football organization offered him a job within their program? And you know we'd have heard about it if they did. Rehab? We don't know that he is the kind of alcoholic that has to drink everyday. On the other hand if he's drunk when he's on the radio or TV that could easily be the case. Seems like if you could stay silver for a few hours a week airtime would be a good choice. Otherwise he's punchy. And like mud I have no reason to think that Peyton Manning would be suited for this job. One more time great players are rarely great coaches or office personnel unless somebody does the research to prove me wrong. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Dawg Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 There are a few former players that are now a GM or involved with player acquisitions, but they are in the minority. Off the top of my head I can only think of: Marvin Lewis Ozzy Newsome John Elway Ray Farmer Steve Keim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lodilobo Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 Yeah...we don't want Bernie in here. We're doing great without him. Sure...maybe he has forgotten more about football, and players with talent then we will ever know, but he talks funny. Let's just see what idiot we can lure into coming here as GM, that wants a lot of money. I'm sure that will work out better. Of course, we never really want to have a winning team....we wouldn't know how to act. Yeah...screw Bernie...that's the right mentality. Besides....he had several successful businesses, for 20+ years, then had to file bankruptcy after being way too generous helping his family and friends. What a jerk! I'm glad you geniuses saw through all this crap...I would have never figured it out. Who needs Bernie Kosar??...we had Mike Holmgren...self proclaimed qb guru, and we let him get away. Yep...I'm sure you guys are right...we're on the right track. It just takes time to build a mediocre team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 I would love having Bernie be involved, maybe not as GM but as some sort of consultant. Sure, he wants a job. So far he hasn't been a success in business. How about Lead QB Scout? Here's the thing... a GM has a department to run and as WSS points out there has been zero evidence Bernie can do that. Also not sure what evidence he's shown that he can evaluate players beyond the QB position. Get him involved in some capacity that suits his skillset and see how he does. If the promise of more emerges... Even Ozzie was not handed the keys overnite. He worked in our and the Ravens's FO for 12 years before he was made GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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