Clevfan4life Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 The Browns have enough overall talent to be a playoff contender. um no they don't. Seriously. No they don't. They've got a few players that deserve honorable mentions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Italian DawgPound Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 I think I'm just going to keep the headline the way it is to freak out some people. Zombo Me, for instance... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 I'm hoping the broncos called, and ray said "we want a first...and a second..." "OK" "...and then throw in your linebacker as well..." "umm..." "...and give us a 4th while you're at it" Just to fuck with the broncos. Because the alternative - that he was seriously considering trading JT - is a bit troublesome. You can trade just about anyone on this team, but trade JT and there will be a full scale revolt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 That was just wrong, Zombo. and, I gave you a good job on that post, Chris.... (hah !) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 That was just wrong, Zombo. and, I gave you a good job on that post, Chris.... (hah !) You know what they say about sun shines and dogs asses. And you, my friend, are a huge dog's ass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 As much as I love Joe he's not getting any younger. A first and a second next year would be a nice prize. Next year Denver starts over. Assuming, of course, that whoever the GM is next year doesn't pull a ray farmer on us. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 You know what they say about sun shines and dogs asses. And you, my friend, are a huge dog's ass Chris **************************************************** well, you are what comes out of the huge dogs ass. (now, how the hell can I UN-good job that post.......dammit....) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 um no they don't. Seriously. No they don't. They've got a few players that deserve honorable mentions Talent evaluation wise at the beginning of the year....yes, they do. But a few things have occurred: Injuries have diminished a few good players......like Joe Haden. And bad coaching begets bad playing. Its like a movie.....you can have some of the greatest acting talent up on that screen, but if the writing for that movie is piss poor (say GM) .....and the directing of those great actors is piss poor (coaching)....you have a bad movie. Great actors cannot cure it. Like some of these: http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/10-terrible-films-starring-great-actors-20150324 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 Gip, you do realize who it is your use of the "movie thing" puts you in the company of... don't you? And no, it's not WestSideSteve... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 Gip, you do realize who it is your use of the "movie thing" puts you in the company of... don't you? And no, it's not WestSideSteve... I don't know......but I will assume it is someone really smart and perceptive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 lol... That would depend on your opinion of Farmer... Watch his presser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 Talent evaluation wise at the beginning of the year....yes, they do. But a few things have occurred: Injuries have diminished a few good players......like Joe Haden. And bad coaching begets bad playing. Its like a movie.....you can have some of the greatest acting talent up on that screen, but if the writing for that movie is piss poor (say GM) .....and the directing of those great actors is piss poor (coaching)....you have a bad movie. Great actors cannot cure it. Like some of these: http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/10-terrible-films-starring-great-actors-20150324 i'm sorry I've seen too many of our guys beat in situaitons where scheme didn't matter, it was just a matter of beating the guy infront of you. I know they've been using Kruger horrendously, I do not fault him for getting beat in the flat or across the middle by a good TE. It's absurd we're even talking about him being used like that....however, I've just seen him beat too much at the point..even by TE's. And receiving TE's at that. When teams can nullify your edges with TE's, means they're sending the lineman to the 2nd level. That's SHIT. And I see this kind of base ineptitude over a lot of our players, mostly defense but the offensive lineman are also getting beasted one up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 I don't like the "getting old" argument for JT. Guys playing as good as ever, no signs of slowing down soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 ...however, I've just seen him beat too much at the point..even by TE's. There it is.....watch him and you will see him get blocked, boxed out and beaten on almost every single play...... Heck, Justin Gilbert has one less tackle than Kruger and he's only played ST..... 400+ snaps and only 9 tackles......n-i-n-e.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 Absolutely, bb... barring injury the best LTs have played into their mid-30's at a very high level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 NOPE. Deal didn't get done in time, despite being reported by ESPN. HAHA FUCK YOU DENVER. Great comment from cleveland.com what Ray didnt say in his presser was that the Thomas to Denver deal fell through because he asked the Broncos to make the picks for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 There it is.....watch him and you will see him get blocked, boxed out and beaten on almost every single play...... Heck, Justin Gilbert has one less tackle than Kruger and he's only played ST..... 400+ snaps and only 9 tackles......n-i-n-e.... Gtfo....one less. Sucks we couldn't move him but fuck who wants him? Now watch him go somewhere next year where they convert him to a DE and have a Jared Allen like resurgence. Speaking of which, that fucker still has some shit left in his tank. Carolina can't leave him in there all game like they did on Monday, all those guys gassed out. But fuck me Jared Allen kind of looks like he's got his old pop back. I fail to see how Kruger looks less powerful and explosive off the line even when he has his hands down....than a 33 year old Allen who looks like he should be playing in a band with westside at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
browns52 Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 Talent evaluation wise at the beginning of the year....yes, they do. But a few things have occurred: Injuries have diminished a few good players......like Joe Haden. And bad coaching begets bad playing. Its like a movie.....you can have some of the greatest acting talent up on that screen, but if the writing for that movie is piss poor (say GM) .....and the directing of those great actors is piss poor (coaching)....you have a bad movie. Great actors cannot cure it. Like some of these: http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/10-terrible-films-starring-great-actors-20150324 Talent evaluation wise at the beginning of the year....yes, they do. But a few things have occurred: Injuries have diminished a few good players......like Joe Haden. And bad coaching begets bad playing. Its like a movie.....you can have some of the greatest acting talent up on that screen, but if the writing for that movie is piss poor (say GM) .....and the directing of those great actors is piss poor (coaching)....you have a bad movie. Great actors cannot cure it. Like some of these: http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/10-terrible-films-starring-great-actors-20150324 kind of reminds me of the movie the dirty dozen...how many incredible actors were in that movie and it worked because of the writing and directing etc etc. it worked well. if you had a bad script the opposite would have occured... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
browns52 Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 kind of reminds me of the movie the dirty dozen...how many incredible actors were in that movie and it worked because of the writing and directing etc etc. it worked well. if you had a bad script the opposite would have occured... let me add, if lee marvin were still alive i'd want him as our gm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 let me add, if lee marvin were still alive i'd want him as our gm. Well, we know which actor in that movie we would want as our running back for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
browns52 Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 Well, we know which actor in that movie we would want as our running back for sure. Well, we know which actor in that movie we would want as our running back for sure. without a doubt....without a doubt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 Today? None I can think of, but over time? Munoz... Ogden... Pace... Jones... All were in the same class as Joe as a pass blocker and all were also road graders. None Correct. JT Wins. You add in his durability playing with dinks and never missing a start compared to list above JT stands alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 None Correct. JT Wins. You add in his durability playing with dinks and never missing a start compared to list above JT stands alone. Over Munoz?? No way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 Breaking news Joe Thomas makes 10th consecutive Pro Bowl in 2016, Browns finish 5-11 and ranked 30th in rush ypg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 Over Munoz?? No way. Who Nat, Who Nat, WHO NAT says JT don't beat a Cinnanasty Bengal. Never heard of him My leg still hurts just watching his.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 Breaking news Joe Thomas makes 10th consecutive Pro Bowl in 2016, Browns finish 5-11 and ranked 30th in rush ypg.What a dick. Stop dogging JT it's not his fault everybody else sucks, he doesn't. What's your point? Joe Thomas isn't contributing to wins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 What a dick. Stop dogging JT it's not his fault everybody else sucks, he doesn't. What's your point? Joe Thomas isn't contributing to wins? Not dogging Thomas at all but this team has had a Pro Bowl LT for 8 years and that has gotten them nowhere. They need talent and depth and paying a LT $10 million to pass protect for nobody seems like a waste. Joe deserves to get a shot at winning and I'd wish him well but for the organization to continue to hang their hat on one guy gets the team nowhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 So, we should just trade away our most talented players in an effort to get better??? I dont think thats ever happened in the history of the league.... Really, who trades away a sure shot HOFer?.....especially one who loves his team and wants to stay?? And the contract doesnt matter(not a waste).....its not like we are cash strapped or need it for some better talent thats in waiting.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 Not dogging Thomas at all but this team has had a Pro Bowl LT for 8 years and that has gotten them nowhere. They need talent and depth and paying a LT $10 million to pass protect for nobody seems like a waste. Joe deserves to get a shot at winning and I'd wish him well but for the organization to continue to hang their hat on one guy gets the team nowhere. If we can get a mildly competent team he'd be a bigger difference maker, I don't think we're that far off from being mildly competent really. Trading him off for a couple low end picks would probably do us more harm than good regardless. If he was gone our OL depth basically decreases to 0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richiswhere Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 So, we should just trade away our most talented players in an effort to get better??? I dont think thats ever happened in the history of the league.... Really, who trades away a sure shot HOFer?.....especially one who loves his team and wants to stay?? And the contract doesnt matter(not a waste).....its not like we are cash strapped or need it for some better talent thats in waiting.... A bird in the hand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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