MLD Woody Posted May 14, 2014 Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10927282/renegotiation-nfl-drug-policy-reduce-marijuana-punishments Happy to see this. To consider pot a "performance enhancing drug" was just stupid anyway. With weed working its way to full legalization across the US this is an overdo first step for the NFL. Maybe this helps out Gordon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted May 14, 2014 Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 Unlikely to help out Gordon, since he committed his infractions with the old punishment still in place he should be penalised according to that. But then, the NFL is its own beast, and Goodell tends to make it up as he goes along, so who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted May 14, 2014 Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 A source said.... This is not a done deal as the OP headline seems to indicate. I doubt he even read the article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiris Posted May 14, 2014 Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 Our biggest hope for Gordon will be that he is actually in stage 2 and not stage 3 of the penalty system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted May 14, 2014 Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 It has a slight chance to mitigate the suspension if it has yet to be declared. As I understand the Gordon case the final sentence is not set in stone. May as well clutch at straws WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted May 14, 2014 Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 How much would Gordon want to be traded to Denver about now? And nothing to do with the QB there either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted May 14, 2014 Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 How much would Gordon want to be traded to Denver about now? And nothing to do with the QB there either. Heh I don't think it would make any difference as to the league rules but... WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted May 14, 2014 Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 Heh I don't think it would make any difference as to the league rules but... WSS Well, depending on if the above stuff goes through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cvcanedy Posted May 14, 2014 Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10927282/renegotiation-nfl-drug-policy-reduce-marijuana-punishments Happy to see this. To consider pot a "performance enhancing drug" was just stupid anyway. With weed working its way to full legalization across the US this is an overdo first step for the NFL. Maybe this helps out Gordon? The first sentence is "It's too late to help Josh Gordon..." So, no, it likely doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darubes Posted May 14, 2014 Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 Report: NFL to raise marijuana testing threshold in new drug policy Darren Hartwell NESN MAY 14, 2014 1:47p ET SHARE 651 TWEET 0 264 Diamond Images / Diamond Images Browns receiver Josh Gordon is facing a year-long suspension for reportedly testing positive for marijuana. The NFL’s new drug policy could be in for some major changes. The new policy, which has been in the renegotiation process since 2011, will substantially raise the threshold for a positive marijuana test and reduce punishments for failing the test, sources told ESPN.com on Tuesday. The source noted that the NFL’s policy on marijuana is outdated, citing that the World Anti-Doping Agency — which has been adopted by nearly 600 sports organizations — has a higher threshold than the NFL’s current testing system. Cleveland Browns wide receiver Josh Gordon could face a one-year suspension, reportedly after being accused of testing positive for marijuana. While a new drug policy wouldn’t affect Gordon’s pending suspension, it could significantly alter the discipline process and potentially reduce future punishments for players. ARE YOU READY FOR THE 2014 SEASON? Complete week-by-week regular season schedule Check out the most anticipated games of 2014 Complete team-by-team schedules Under the current system, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell has the final say over all discipline matters. This has been a point of contention among members of the NFL Players Association, who want discipline appeals to go through an independent arbitrator under the new policy. “(Goodell) wants to hold all the cards and he wants to be the judge, jury and executioner, and we’re not going to go for an un-American system like that,” NFLPA president Eric Winston told reporters last week. According the report, the NFLPA has also expressed interest in studying the merits of the use of medical marijuana but hopes the two sides can reach a deal in the meantime to make changes to the league’s outdated policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted May 14, 2014 Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 How much would Gordon want to be traded to Denver about now? And nothing to do with the QB there either. Why would the Browns do this? Makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted May 14, 2014 Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 Why would the Browns do this? Makes no sense. yeah i don't get it either except weed in CO is legal under their state laws.........still doesn't make it legal within the NFL guidelines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted May 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 A source said.... This is not a done deal as the OP headline seems to indicate. I doubt he even read the article. 1) eat shit 2) it is just a matter of time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted May 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 Unlikely to help out Gordon, since he committed his infractions with the old punishment still in place he should be penalised according to that. But then, the NFL is its own beast, and Goodell tends to make it up as he goes along, so who knows. I saw that some of the states where weed is now legal are reducing some of the sentences of those that got busted under the old weed laws. So maybe that could happen here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Harry Buffalo Posted May 15, 2014 Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 I saw that some of the states where weed is now legal are reducing some of the sentences of those that got busted under the old weed laws. So maybe that could happen here. But that still doesn't affect the Browns in any way, or the Denver Broncos for that matter. Some who was charged with buying or posessing weed in Washington or Colorado that are still serving time could see reduced sentences, but that has not affect on any company that has an anti drug policy. Any company in Denver or Colorado can still make it so it you test positive, you can be fired right on the spot and there is nothing the state can do about it. Not to mention the NFL is not a Washington or Colorado company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted May 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 I'm saying if the NFL reduced their pot discipline and reduced the penalty maybe those that got hit under the old sanctions would catch a break Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Buffalo Posted May 15, 2014 Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 I'm saying if the NFL reduced their pot discipline and reduced the penalty maybe those that got hit under the old sanctions would catch a break Oh ok. I agree to an extent. I think if punishment has already been given they won't hut I think if there are failed tests from before any change and an appeal happens after the change they would punish them based on the new rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted May 15, 2014 Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 it'd be considered 'grandfathered in' wouldn't it? those who want to catch a break because they were there and don't have to pay up to the new standard (like rent control) always use the grandfather clause. so in this case i would think even if the NFL does change it's policy (which i don't see happening anytime soon) gordon would still get the full fist fuck from the NFL. with no lubrication this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taco918 Posted May 15, 2014 Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 Well I haven't heard an official punishment being handed down yet. If they make this change before the official punishment is handed down I could see Gordon being subjected to the new punishments. I don't think it's likely but that's what I'm hoping for. The fact that this information was leaked against protocol could result in some leniency as well. Even more not likely but plausible. And if we want to go the conspiracy theory route, it would more than likely be in the NFL's best interest to have their new potential golden boy (JF) have his most dynamic weapon available when he hits the field, say after the bye week? Incredibly unlikely but if it does happen you guys can start calling me Nostrodomus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hish747 Posted May 15, 2014 Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 it'd be considered 'grandfathered in' wouldn't it? those who want to catch a break because they were there and don't have to pay up to the new standard (like rent control) always use the grandfather clause. so in this case i would think even if the NFL does change it's policy (which i don't see happening anytime soon) gordon would still get the full fist fuck from the NFL. with no lubrication this time. I think this ultimately should and will help Josh. Grandfathering is a mechanism that generally applies to maintaining a benefit that no longer exists. It doesn't exist to apply a punishment that no one thinks of as being fair. There is a big difference between the two. If the NFL is reviewing its policy because the punishments are, disproportionate, overly harsh and out of touch with modern reality, there would be a strong argument that it is unjust to apply the old penalty simply because an offense was committed under the old rules. The NFL is basically admitting that the old rules were unfair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXDawg Posted May 15, 2014 Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 Good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted May 15, 2014 Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 If not...... ......Nostradumbass! WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taco918 Posted May 15, 2014 Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 If not...... ......Nostradumbass! WSS I guess it's better then just plain ole dumbass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted May 15, 2014 Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 I guess it's better then just plain ole dumbass. Speech to text? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taco918 Posted May 15, 2014 Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 Speech to text? WSS Nope. I thought about putting a space between the dumb and ass but that's about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted May 15, 2014 Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 Nope. I thought about putting a space between the dumb and ass but that's about it. No; even more minor.. Then for than... WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taco918 Posted May 15, 2014 Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 No; even more minor.. Then for than... WSS Eh tomato, tomato. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tml1138 Posted May 15, 2014 Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 I think this ultimately should and will help Josh. Grandfathering is a mechanism that generally applies to maintaining a benefit that no longer exists. It doesn't exist to apply a punishment that no one thinks of as being fair. There is a big difference between the two. If the NFL is reviewing its policy because the punishments are, disproportionate, overly harsh and out of touch with modern reality, there would be a strong argument that it is unjust to apply the old penalty simply because an offense was committed under the old rules. The NFL is basically admitting that the old rules were unfair. Agreed. Like when the death penalty was removed in the State of California sometime in the 70's (but reinstated later I believe), which is why Charles Mansion is still with us today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted May 15, 2014 Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 A source said.... This is not a done deal as the OP headline seems to indicate. Note: Also did not read ESPN.go article since that site imbeds tracking beyond the usual cookies most sites use. Takes a virus sweep to remove ESPN.go tracking... Yup... all balled up in a package of revised testing negotiations between NFL and NFLPA. Big sticking point I've heard of is NFLPA balking at HGH related changes. In addition to changing the THC action level to eliminate passive exposure positives as it's been reported Josh is claiming, there also seems to be some discussion of a medical exemption for prescribed cannabis. Where legalization/ decriminalization is in its infancy, medical marijuana is well, and more widely, established. There are currently 21 states plus DC where medical marijuana is legal. I think this ultimately should and will help Josh. Grandfathering is a mechanism that generally applies to maintaining a benefit that no longer exists. It doesn't exist to apply a punishment that no one thinks of as being fair. There is a big difference between the two. Agree... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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