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#41 Clevfan4life

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Posted 21 March 2017 - 12:10 PM

Og and nas are NOT olb'ers despite what horton
Attempted with them. They're not really DT's either except in nascar packages.
Didnt know paea was gone. So at DT we've got bryant, meder, shrlton,cooper....who else?


Paea is gone. Signed elsewhere.  And all the other guys you are talking about are listed as DEs or OLBs.  So they would likely be playing out of position if they moved inside.  Now, I know guys have done that, some great players like Reggie White and JJ Watt.  But I don't know if these guys on this team have that capability.  I think I would still like a DT in the draft.  Maybe a Carlos Watkins.


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Posted 21 March 2017 - 05:01 PM

Og and nas are NOT olb'ers despite what horton
Attempted with them. They're not really DT's either except in nascar packages.
Didnt know paea was gone. So at DT we've got bryant, meder, shrlton,cooper....who else?

 

Except Cooper is listed at DE, and I don't recall him playing DT. They list Meder at DE too...but I do know he played inside a lot.

Again...all I can say it that the Gays for Gayrett may want to not choke on their sputum if the name of Jonathan Allen is actually called out at #1.

Just sayin'.


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Posted 21 March 2017 - 06:01 PM

I got cooper as a DT too......same list as you Cleve.....

 

Obviously, Bryant can go both ways.....but with the 2 youngsters, plus(hopefully) Garrett....Id like to see Bryant move around and inside more....

 

And maybe a little Orchard at DE too.....

 

Gip....in the 3-4(which has been our base d) there are no DT's(hence none on our depth chart?).....so our listed OLB's are actually playing more of a DE.....and our listed DE's are closer to DT's.....etc......

 

So, now that our base will be 4-3.....Id expect these a number of these guys to be reclassified going fwd....


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Posted 21 March 2017 - 08:38 PM

I agree we need to possibly draft a RT either this year or next year at the latest. A guy that we groom to replace JT. Not sure if that guy is in this years draft or not

 

Haven't seen him... not in this class.

 

Shon C. has a shot of replacing Joe down the road, but it'll be a ways. If we in fact do turn a corner in 2017 and continue to ascend in 2018, a healthy Joe ain't retiring.

 

So, now that our base will be 4-3.....Id expect these a number of these guys to be reclassified going fwd....

 

Bingo... 4-3 DEs I see rostered are: Og, Nassib and Holmes... and I'm not sure about Holmes. I think Thomas crushes that lot.


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Posted 22 March 2017 - 08:34 AM

I got cooper as a DT too......same list as you Cleve.....

 

Obviously, Bryant can go both ways.....but with the 2 youngsters, plus(hopefully) Garrett....Id like to see Bryant move around and inside more....

 

And maybe a little Orchard at DE too.....

 

Gip....in the 3-4(which has been our base d) there are no DT's(hence none on our depth chart?).....so our listed OLB's are actually playing more of a DE.....and our listed DE's are closer to DT's.....etc......

 

So, now that our base will be 4-3.....Id expect these a number of these guys to be reclassified going fwd....

I still think a four square DT may be a bit of a priority. Probably #3 after QB, DBs.


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Posted 22 March 2017 - 09:55 AM

all I can say it that the Gays for Gayrett may want to not choke on their sputum if the name of Jonathan Allen is actually called out at #1.[/color]
Just sayin'.


I was in camp allen till i read his shoulders look like a 10+ year veteran already. All things equal i do beleive allen is better "right now", but garett has a higher ceiling.....maybe. And if we did draft allen id want him to take a substantial amt of snaps at DE where i think he's be bulling down ever tacklebin the league. Just those shoulders tho
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Posted 22 March 2017 - 11:07 AM

I was in camp allen till i read his shoulders look like a 10+ year veteran already. All things equal i do beleive allen is better "right now", but garett has a higher ceiling.....maybe. And if we did draft allen id want him to take a substantial amt of snaps at DE where i think he's be bulling down ever tacklebin the league. Just those shoulders tho

 

Ditto except for bulling... Controlling, then ripping and pulling or swimming here.


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Posted 22 March 2017 - 12:26 PM

 

Ditto except for bulling... Controlling, then ripping and pulling or swimming here.

If his shoulders are bad then the ripping and pulling may cause him problems.   I know that Mike Golic was saying that he had 7 surgeries on one shoulder and 3 on the other.  So the position does put some strain on that area.


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Posted 22 March 2017 - 01:09 PM

 
Ditto except for bulling... Controlling, then ripping and pulling or swimming here.


Bulling is sort of an inclusive word though isnt it? Guys that can bull the shit out of ol almost by def can stack/shed at will because to bull right u have to establish the stack first
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Posted 22 March 2017 - 01:22 PM

Bulling is sort of an inclusive word though isnt it? Guys that can bull the shit out of ol almost by def can stack/shed at will because to bull right u have to establish the stack first

 

Yes and no... one thing to stymie an OT... another to drive him back into the QBs lap which is more of how I think of "bull".

 

But I'm willing to chalk it up to semantics...


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Posted 22 March 2017 - 01:29 PM

 
Yes and no... one thing to stymie an OT... another to drive him back into the QBs lap which is more of how I think of "bull".
 
But I'm willing to chalk it up to semantics...

Wouldnt u assume though if a guy could reg deposit an OT in the qb's jock, that he wouldnt have a problem controlling said tackle at the line?

This is what im not sure how good garett is at doing. A 4-3 DE in the NFL has to be competent at this otherwise the defensive scheme falls apart.

Edit: last paragraph talking about stacking/shedding not bull rushing. Ill agree that just because u can hold off a tackle at the line doesnt necessarily mean u'll be able to drive him back into the qb
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Posted 22 March 2017 - 01:52 PM

This is what im not sure how good garett is at doing. A 4-3 DE in the NFL has to be competent at this otherwise the defensive scheme falls apart.

 

Garrett's pretty damn good, but not the all-controlling, immovable object Allen is. What Garrett lacks in shed he makes up for in burst to the RB once he commits. He "guesses" surprisingly little... as opposed to Clowney, who picked a side early and often at SC.


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Posted 22 March 2017 - 02:44 PM

 
Garrett's pretty damn good, but not the all-controlling, immovable object Allen is.SC.


Thats my kind of DE tho......im hoping garett becomes that to go aling with his burst. He gets better at the power game its going to open up his speed game even more. The upper echelon of tackles in the NFL are too good for one trick rushers, even the likes of garett.

This is why bosa looked so fast around the edge at osu....tackles had to set up for his power game. He would see that and then swim/rip to the outside.
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Posted 22 March 2017 - 02:51 PM

This is why bosa looked so fast around the edge at osu....tackles had to set up for his power game. He would see that and then swim/rip to the outside.

 

But is not the converse true as well... Does not an OT anticipating the speed rush set himself up for the club - inside rip/swim or the power burst?


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Posted 22 March 2017 - 03:19 PM

 
But is not the converse true as well... Does not an OT anticipating the speed rush set himself up for the club - inside rip/swim or the power burst?


Oh yeah, and some of the smaller rushers like matthews are great at turning what looks like an edge burst into a straight bull. But stacking/shedding at the point effectively just ingerently requires not just strength but anchoring weight too.

Theres sub 200 lb men out there that bench as much as anyone in the nfl....but they would get "obliterated" in the NFL if they tried to stand and stack at the point against 320 lb tackles.
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Posted 22 March 2017 - 08:56 PM

I cannot keep up with the changes between setting an edge setting and pass rushing, so I will now bow out...


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