MLD Woody Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/10795870/freedom-religion-foundation-lodges-complaint-clemson-tigers-dabo-swinney The Freedom From Religion Foundation has lodged a letter of complaint to Clemson, charging coach Dabo Swinney and his staff with "unconstitutional behavior" at the public university. Among the concerns outlined in the complaint by the FFRF, based on information obtained from an open records request: • Swinney personally invited James Trapp to become team chaplain -- in violation of the Constitution and university guidelines on hiring chaplains -- and gave Trapp access to the entire team for Bible studies. • Swinney schedules team devotionals. • Swinney has organized transportation for coaches and players to "Church Days." University spokeswoman Cathy Sams issued a statement saying the school would evaluate the complaints raised but believes Swinney and his staff are not violating the separation of church and state guaranteed in the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment. "Participation in religious activities is purely voluntary, and there are no repercussions for students who decline to do so," the statement read. "We are not aware of any complaints from current or former student-athletes about feeling pressured or forced to participate in religious activities." Swinney is not being made available to comment, but he has been outspoken in his religious views. In December, The Chronicle of Higher Education reported that Swinney tells recruits on visits, "I'm a Christian. If you have a problem with that, you don't have to be here." In the same report, former safety Rashard Hall told the publication, "If you're there, you're going to know Jesus, you're going to know verses in the Bible -- it's weaved in the culture. There's a drawing-in towards Christianity." Two years ago, then-Tigers receiver DeAndre Hopkins asked permission to be baptized in front of coaches and teammates in a cold tub after practice. The story went viral after assistant coach Jeff Scott tweeted a photo of Hopkins sitting in the tub. The Freedom From Religion Foundation, a state/church watchdog based in Madison, Wis., wants the school to direct Swinney and Trapp to immediately stop team prayers, sermons, Bible studies and "church days" for players, train staff about their First Amendment obligations, and monitor compliance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 thank the powers that be for the FFR! Kind of the Westminster Baptist Church of the left. Congratulations woody! WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted April 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 1) Why "congratulations Woody"? 2) How are they like the WBC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 Troll job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 1 dude it was your post. 2 not quite as repulsive but two groups that get off on attention they get by being assholes. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted April 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 ... ok Steve. That isn't even relatively close, but alright That is some serious religious bias to even compare this group to the WBC, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 ... ok Steve. That isn't even relatively close, but alright That is some serious religious bias to even compare this group to the WBC, lol Sure its close. WBC is just a bit worse. Neither group is really harmed by either gay marriage or a prayer on a football field. They just hate people and want to f*** things up for them. That's all there is to it. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiris Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 Sorry but I can't equate filing a complaint through standard channels to people who protest at US soldiers' funerals and burn the holy books of other religions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaporTrail Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 Sure its close. WBC is just a bit worse. Neither group is really harmed by either gay marriage or a prayer on a football field. They just hate people and want to f*** things up for them. That's all there is to it. WSS You heard it here, folks. FFRF is a hate group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 Freedom from religion sounds like haters if not a hate group. Certainly they hate religion.enough.to make a group and file troll complaints about things that don't.affect them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 Sorry but I can't equate filing a complaint through standard channels to people who protest at US soldiers' funerals and burn the holy books of other religions.remember I said one was worse than the other but they are both doing this just to be an asshole to people they hate. Sorry. If anyone identifies with either group they are probably fucked up. Cysko is correct. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erie Dawg Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 Not sure why this even matters, if someone wants to pray or read a bible.. oh well. I'm sure the coach didn't force the students to go if they didn't want too,it appears to be voluntary anyway. But seeing that 85-90% of the world has religous beliefs it would appear that its going to be around for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 Atheists don't approve of anyone reading or preaching the bible. It pisses them off. Kind of funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted April 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 Atheists don't approve of anyone reading or preaching the bible. It pisses them off. Kind of funny. You have a talent for missing the point completely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted April 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 Not sure why this even matters, if someone wants to pray or read a bible.. oh well. I'm sure the coach didn't force the students to go if they didn't want too,it appears to be voluntary anyway. But seeing that 85-90% of the world has religous beliefs it would appear that its going to be around for a long time. It is a public institution. He is creating a culture that favors one religion over another. Not everyone may agree with that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairHooker11 Posted April 20, 2014 Report Share Posted April 20, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted April 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2014 I don't think they're worried, lol. Good luck to the religious groups and their fairy tale books I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted April 20, 2014 Report Share Posted April 20, 2014 I am not worried. If God exists, he has some explaining to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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