Clevfan4life Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 had to stop watching this game for a bit cause this is just a Shiite mess. But what's become clear is that we don't have the personnel in place in a lot of key areas. I'm not suggesting a firesale where we sell off for shit, but we need to start shopping pretty much everyone we can get anything for. Even guys that are playing well. Even longtime Browns like JT. Anybody on offense or defense save for our secondary...shop em!! Especially on the front seven..this just isn't working. The Bengals had 100 yds 2 minutes into the 2nd quarter. And this is the recurring theme all season. The only guy on the entire front seven I would want to hang on to is Robertson and only because he's been playing alright but we're still not gonna get a whole lot for him. Even Kruger if someone makes us a nice offer. I hate to say that cause he's one of the guys playing decently well but he's also one of the guys that someone "might" give us something for. The front seven is just a sieve we will NOT be making any playoff push's with anytime soon. We have a window now where we have a secondary that could quite possibly be the best in the NFL save perhaps for Seattle. We're gonna waste that window with this front seven that doesn't stop the run and doesn't really get to the QB much. We need to rebuild the front now. O line also needs either a full redo or at least a partial one. How many games have we seen DL living in our backfield? Yet another game we're seeing them meeting our QB at the handoff. That's a structural problem not procedural. Just the wrong people. And if any of you were paying attention to the announcers you heard one of the guys make a key observation that we don't get to see on the TV's.....none of our WR'ers are making moves to the open fields when Johnny was spilling out of the pocket. Maybe our whole WR corp needs an overhaul as well cause this game of all games was not one where we could afford lazy ass wr's that don't do what even D3 college wr'ers do. Maybe this is the Gordon effect that his lazy fucking ass is rubbing off on the other guys? I dunno. We just need to get what we can. It's clear Pettine and Shanahan aren't going to get much done with this personnel. Gotta let em rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TypicalBrowns Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 Pretty pathetic showing today. I almost can't believe how shitty Cleveland played Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterWhite Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 I quit watching in the 2nd after the commercials and flags, it was just too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 Front 7 came around before halftime. They've kept this team afloat the past few weeks, it only makes sense that they come back down to earth. Offense did them zero favors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 Everything is symbiotic, a good QB can help a struggling line and a good line can help a struggling QB. Manziel was absolutely horrible today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
browns23 Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 I like Mack, Thomas, and Bitonio. Greco and Schwartz are good backups, but below average starters in my opinion. If we improve those two spots on the line and then get a more competent backup center our Oline will be set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 Sad loss made to sting even more by loss of any playoff hope, but still no excuse for knee-jerk bullshit. O-line has needed help for weeks. Core is solid, but pieces are needed. Turns out one potential piece may have been Eric Winston. D-line has been decimated. Can't wait to see Poa's snap count. LB corps is thin as well. Cinci came to play. We came to watch Johnny??? I'm guessing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 Sad loss made to sting even more by loss of any playoff hope, but still no excuse for knee-jerk bullshit. O-line has needed help for weeks. Core is solid, but pieces are needed. Turns out one potential piece may have been Eric Winston. D-line has been decimated. Can't wait to see Poa's snap count. LB corps is thin as well. Cinci came to play. We came to watch Johnny??? I'm guessing... Pretty much spot on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 I like Mack, Thomas, and Bitonio. Greco and Schwartz are good backups, but below average starters in my opinion. If we improve those two spots on the line and then get a more competent backup center our Oline will be set. that's 3 picks or acquisitions right there. then you have the DL to revamp. then a WR LBs and probably a QB. i don't think we have that many picks and we all know a team never hits on all their picks, as displayed today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
browns23 Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 that's 3 picks or acquisitions right there. then you have the DL to revamp. then a WR LBs and probably a QB. i don't think we have that many picks and we all a team never hits on all their picks, as displayed today. Well I'd like to see them do it in a combination of free agency and the draft. Probably get the tackle and center in free agency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 Need an O-lineman, D-Lineman and a LB. Given Farmer's first round last year we'll probably go WR, S and K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 I like Mack, Thomas, and Bitonio. Greco and Schwartz are good backups, but below average starters in my opinion. If we improve those two spots on the line and then get a more competent backup center our Oline will be set. Greco was having a career season until Mack went down. It isn't easy having to compensate for the man next to you. This line was the best in the NFL until Mack got hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 I like Mack, Thomas, and Bitonio. Greco and Schwartz are good backups, but below average starters in my opinion. If we improve those two spots on the line and then get a more competent backup center our Oline will be set. Any one between Schwartz and Seymore/ McDaniel is going to have their hands full... Greco is a keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 Greco was having a career season until Mack went down. It isn't easy having to compensate for the man next to you. This line was the best in the NFL until Mack got hurt. I highly disagree with that statement. Thomas is over rated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 Greco was having a career season until Mack went down. It isn't easy having to compensate for the man next to you. This line was the best in the NFL until Mack got hurt. Beat me by that -->I I<-- much... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 I highly disagree with that statement. Thomas is over rated. Disagree all you want - I have Tour and PFF rankings that confirm we're in the right. JT has had a rough couple of games. Hardly makes him overrated. Beat me by that -->I I<-- much... Game of inches or seconds whilst typing, in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
browns23 Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 I understand we were one of the best lines before the injury, but we need to compensate for when injuries happen because they will happen. Our offense has been abysmal since Mack went down. I agree we have other needs too, but I'm just focusing on the Offense that put up 0 points on the board today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbluhm86 Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 To be honest, if Farmer uses the two #1s in the upcoming draft on linemen for either side of the ball, I wouldn't be upset. No sense in reaching for playmakers if you don't have it locked down in the trenches first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 Disagree all you want - I have Tour and PFF rankings that confirm we're in the right. JT has had a rough couple of games. Hardly makes him overrated. Game of inches or seconds whilst typing, in this case. Ah, so. I still disagree. And highly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 Ah, so. I still disagree. And highly. Present your case other then "you disagree"...... "highly" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 Present your case other then "you disagree"...... "highly" Because I don't think we had close to the best Offensive line. We were mediocre at best. Always lacking on the right side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 Because I don't think we had close to the best Offensive line. We were mediocre at best. Always lacking on the right side. Greco and Schwartz started the year pretty good actually. Greco really benefitted from Mack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenew23 Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 Injuries are going to happen. We need to be in a better position to fill-in for those injuries. A good backup C and someone that can compete with Schwartz at RT would be good. The D-line just needs an interior Run-stuffer to prevent blockers from so easily getting to the second level... No Knee-Jerk, Firesale, crap... that never works. Having said that, this game sucked... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted December 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 Sad loss made to sting even more by loss of any playoff hope, but still no excuse for knee-jerk bullshit. O-line has needed help for weeks. Core is solid, but pieces are needed. Turns out one potential piece may have been Eric Winston. D-line has been decimated. Can't wait to see Poa's snap count. LB corps is thin as well. Cinci came to play. We came to watch Johnny??? I'm guessing... but this isn't knee jerk. You can say the D line has been decimated, but this is what we've seen from them for the most part, since opening day. It doesn't matter who we've had in there, same output. We have some guys we might be able to get something for which is why we start the build now while our secondary is still fairly young and healthy. And we can't do it all in the draft which is why we need trades. It's gonna suck to see some good guys go that you'd think could have stayed and contributed, but it is what it is. I'm not advocating getting one or two diva types like Suh who would cost us QB money...but we need to bring in guys like him. I see guys like Orakpo and Houston available at OLB'er. With Sheard leaving "maybe" we can still hold on to Kruger and get one of those guys, but honestly if we have a chance to get both of them and continue to develop Mingo while getting another OLB'er in the draft, that's the way I'd go. Raji and Knighton are also going to available, I'd make offers to both of them. Mauleauga is gonna be a FA, Cincy will probably retain him but I'd try to get him out of there anyway while drafting a guy we sit for a year behind Mau and Robertson.....yeah I'm willing to part ways with Dansby entirely. Kirksey and the new kid, hopefully Perryman, can be the backups to some FA and Robertson. But we can't stay as we are at ILB'er. Kobe doesn't know what "soft like charmin" is...our ILB'ers are the real soft mother fuckers. Have been all season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted December 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 Injuries are going to happen. We need to be in a better position to fill-in for those injuries. A good backup C and someone that can compete with Schwartz at RT would be good. The D-line just needs an interior Run-stuffer to prevent blockers from so easily getting to the second level... No Knee-Jerk, Firesale, crap... that never works. Having said that, this game sucked... not firesale....but need to start shopping guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 but this isn't knee jerk. You can say the D line has been decimated, but this is what we've seen from them for the most part, since opening day. It doesn't matter who we've had in there, same output. We have some guys we might be able to get something for which is why we start the build now while our secondary is still fairly young and healthy. And we can't do it all in the draft which is why we need trades. It's gonna suck to see some good guys go that you'd think could have stayed and contributed, but it is what it is. I'm not advocating getting one or two diva types like Suh who would cost us QB money...but we need to bring in guys like him. I see guys like Orakpo and Houston available at OLB'er. With Sheard leaving "maybe" we can still hold on to Kruger and get one of those guys, but honestly if we have a chance to get both of them and continue to develop Mingo while getting another OLB'er in the draft, that's the way I'd go. Raji and Knighton are also going to available, I'd make offers to both of them. Mauleauga is gonna be a FA, Cincy will probably retain him but I'd try to get him out of there anyway while drafting a guy we sit for a year behind Mau and Robertson.....yeah I'm willing to part ways with Dansby entirely. Kirksey and the new kid, hopefully Perryman, can be the backups to some FA and Robertson. But we can't stay as we are at ILB'er. Kobe doesn't know what "soft like charmin" is...our ILB'ers are the real soft mother fuckers. Have been all season. I think you always look to improve through free agency and the draft. Unfortunately, like pitching in baseball, difference makers come at a high price and as we've seen depth is nice to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted December 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 Present your case other then "you disagree"...... "highly" I'll make the case that while Thomas may not be quite "overrated", he's getting close. Now is the time to shop him to a team that needs a LT. We're starting to see his decline but maybe some other team can be persuaded to give up something we desperately need. I don't "want" to give up JT, but we should see what the interest is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted December 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 I think you always look to improve through free agency and the draft. Unfortunately, like pitching in baseball, difference makers come at a high price and as we've seen depth is nice to have. which is exactly why I begrudgingly acknowledge we may have to look to unload Kruger and/or Mugshots contracts. I wish both guys would still be in a browns uni next year, but in a revamp...who knows. And a revamp is necessary. Personnel and perhaps scheme. I dunno about scheme, I'm willing to wait on scheme cause it's possible these guys were really more suited to Hortons scheme than they were pettine's. But we simply cannot let one more year pass with this abysmal run D. It utterly negates our superiority at secondary and that makes me sick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 I'll make the case that while Thomas may not be quite "overrated", he's getting close. Now is the time to shop him to a team that needs a LT. We're starting to see his decline but maybe some other team can be persuaded to give up something we desperately need. I don't "want" to give up JT, but we should see what the interest is. If Thomas is viewed as a top 2 or 3 LT in the league he is overrated. I agree if you can sell him now and get something legit you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 which is exactly why I begrudgingly acknowledge we may have to look to unload Kruger and/or Mugshots contracts. I wish both guys would still be in a browns uni next year, but in a revamp...who knows. And a revamp is necessary. Personnel and perhaps scheme. I dunno about scheme, I'm willing to wait on scheme cause it's possible these guys were really more suited to Hortons scheme than they were pettine's. But we simply cannot let one more year pass with this abysmal run D. It utterly negates our superiority at secondary and that makes me sick. Yeah Kruger isn't worth the money he's getting paid and Haden's contract is laughable. What irks me the most is the complete lack of direction in the front office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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