WalterWhite Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 Hahahahahahahha they can't even make house calls without getting tossed out. "Michigan was a powerhouse, they came in and they stormed us, they made one bad statement and it was over," Hoskins told 1620 the Zone. "They said without football, Daishon wouldn't be able to go to Michigan. Like we couldn't afford to send him there, or that we couldn't get him in academically."Once he said that, we pretty much escorted him out of the house." Neal was even more blunt. "[They] basically tried to call me stupid in front of my face," he said. http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/eye-on-college-football/25000700/nebraska-recruit-father-we-booted-michigan-out-of-in-home-visit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 You sure do talk about Michigan a lot. Mattison is a fantastic recruiter, his track record proves that. I am not sure exactly what happened here, and we'll probably never hear Mattson's side of it. It sounds like he was just telling them the truth, and they took it the wrong way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 You sure do talk about Michigan a lot. Mattison is a fantastic recruiter, his track record proves that. I am not sure exactly what happened here, and we'll probably never hear Mattson's side of it. It sounds like he was just telling them the truth, and they took it the wrong way. Well, its not like Michigan is that exclusive in their admissions policy. I mean, there are about 30,000 undergrads and another 15,000 graduate students. (e.g. Ivy League schools generally all have less than 10K) But, yes, the fact is admissions standards are waived when it comes to many football recruits.....at nearly every school. Just yesterday on the radio I heard Matt Wilhelm say "I got recruited to go to Notre Dame to play football (he chose OSU instead). I would never have gotten into ND without football". Even though that is the case.....a recruiter still shouldn't be saying shit directly to a recruit like "you're not good enough to come here if it weren't for football". While true....you just don't insult people by saying it so blountly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterWhite Posted January 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 LOL @ Michigan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 Is that what he did? He insulted him? Are you sure about that? Mattison isn't some rookie recruiter, he knows what he's doing. He told them the truth in a non insulting way and they probably took it the wrong way. A miscommunication. All schools have a base NCAA admissions level. Some schools take it a step up, Michigan, ND, extra. Some take it even further, Northwestern, Stanford. Michigan's out of state admissions rate is about 20%. They also don't attempt to get everyone to apply to drive the rate down artificially. Theres some level of self selection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterWhite Posted January 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 LOL @ Michigan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 Is that what he did? He insulted him? Are you sure about that? Mattison isn't some rookie recruiter, he knows what he's doing. He told them the truth in a non insulting way and they probably took it the wrong way. A miscommunication. Maybe his insult was inadvertent.....but it was still perceived as an insult by the family.....so whatever he did was taken poorly by them, ergo he failed to do his job correctly. All schools have a base NCAA admissions level. Some schools take it a step up, Michigan, ND, extra. Some take it even further, Northwestern, Stanford. Michigan's out of state admissions rate is about 20%. They also don't attempt to get everyone to apply to drive the rate down artificially. Theres some level of self selection. Out of state? Does that matter? I know they must be a state supported school rather than private....but do they have a much higher acceptance rate for in state students? Or is there a different tuition rate for out of state students? There usually is for State schools. For what its worth, here is the acceptance rate at each Big Ten school. I did not research the differentiation between in and out of state: Michigan 33.7 Ohio St. 55.5 Northwestern 12.9 Iowa 78.4 Minnesota 44.4 Wisconsin 51.1 Nebraska 64.4 Illinois 62.0 Indiana 74.4 Purdue 60.0 Michigan St. 68.7 Penn St. 54.8 Maryland 47.0 Rutgers 60.9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 Here is another list.....these are undergrad figures except for the last 2: NYU 34% Minnesota 44.4% Wisconsin 51.1% Case WRU 54.3% Vanderbilt 13.1% Cornell 14.0% Penn 10.0% John Hopkins 15% Weill Cornell 1.6% NIH-JHU GPP 3-6 students per year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 Yes, in state vs out of state matters for schools like Michigan (probably OSU too). When I got on campus, they were shooting for a 2:1 IS to OOS ratio, because Michigan is a public state school. Figure it like this, there will be more spots for less students (IS) so their acceptance rate will be higher. Conversely, there will be less spots for a nationwide size pool of applicants, meaning a lower acceptance rate. The year after I got in, Michigan changed its application to the Common App. The Common App is an online application form that you can send to any school signed up for it (and many are). This means you only nerd to fill out the tedious stuff once, instead of for every place you plan on applying. This let me apply to Stanford and I think Illinois very quickly. In the end, that means more total applicants to your school, because it is easier to do so. This will mainly affect OOS applicant numbers, as IS students should already be familiar with the flagship state school. Michigan is also slowly trying to even the ratio of IS to OOS as they get more and more qualified applicants. This means that the OOS vs IS acceptance rates will not be the same. Last I saw (maybe a year or two old, with trends headed downward) the IS acceptance rate was around 40% and the OOS acceptance rate was a around 20% (and international was in the single digits). This is all undergrad btw. I am not sure about grad school. So, does that help at all? I know you generally don't know much about this topic whenever we get into it, but I'm hoping this will explain it for you. Odds are, since this recruit was OOS, he would have had a very difficult time getting in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin Eater Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 Lol @ michigan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 Yes, in state vs out of state matters for schools like Michigan (probably OSU too). When I got on campus, they were shooting for a 2:1 IS to OOS ratio, because Michigan is a public state school. Figure it like this, there will be more spots for less students (IS) so their acceptance rate will be higher. Conversely, there will be less spots for a nationwide size pool of applicants, meaning a lower acceptance rate. The year after I got in, Michigan changed its application to the Common App. The Common App is an online application form that you can send to any school signed up for it (and many are). This means you only nerd to fill out the tedious stuff once, instead of for every place you plan on applying. This let me apply to Stanford and I think Illinois very quickly. In the end, that means more total applicants to your school, because it is easier to do so. This will mainly affect OOS applicant numbers, as IS students should already be familiar with the flagship state school. Michigan is also slowly trying to even the ratio of IS to OOS as they get more and more qualified applicants. This means that the OOS vs IS acceptance rates will not be the same. Last I saw (maybe a year or two old, with trends headed downward) the IS acceptance rate was around 40% and the OOS acceptance rate was a around 20% (and international was in the single digits). This is all undergrad btw. I am not sure about grad school. So, does that help at all? I know you generally don't know much about this topic whenever we get into it, but I'm hoping this will explain it for you. Odds are, since this recruit was OOS, he would have had a very difficult time getting in I probably know more about this topic than you. I have had two kids go through this process recently The ONLY thing I did not know was that a school like Michigan would discriminate against out of state students and consciously accept a lower rate of out of staters. I guess I never had to worry about that because every school my kids applied to but one was a private school, where in-state out-of-state wasn't an issue. And the one state school my son applied to was here in Ohio. Hell, you would think that since Michigan etc. charge like double for out of state students that the school would want more of them, not less. So good for them for not going totally for the cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 Here is another list.....these are undergrad figures except for the last 2: NYU 34% Minnesota 44.4% Wisconsin 51.1% Case WRU 54.3% Vanderbilt 13.1% Cornell 14.0% Penn 10.0% John Hopkins 15% Weill Cornell 1.6% NIH-JHU GPP 3-6 students per year. Yea, these are the grad schools my kid has applied to. He is interviewing this week at John Hopkins....which ranked by US News as the #5 best molecular bio. program in the nation. The 4 ahead of it are Harvard/MIT/Stanford/Cal-Berkeley. He didn't apply to those as he didn't want to go out west to the two Cal. schools, and he didn't want any part of the Harvard/MIT cutthroat competition that they engage in there. He actually turned down an offer to interview with Penn. And the oddest thing, he actually got rejected by Wisconsin which is like the least prestigious of all these schools. Maybe they did that because of the Minnesota/Wisconsin rivalry....because he now works for U. Minn. He has yet to hear from Vandy or Weill-Cornell. I know that Cornell wants him badly....and maybe they are saying to their associate school Weill "hands off, we want him here". He, however, does want the opportunity to interview there as he thinks it is much more in the center of what he wants to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 Well, based on past comments you've made, I don't think you really do know what you're talking about. You've been objectively wrong many times, all documented in these threads. I researched all of this when I was applying and kept up on a lot of it. I directly did all of this, not just through my kid (and he sounds very successful, congrats) (I got mail and stuff from MIT in high school. It looked cool. No grades freshman year. But even if I could get in, that's not the environment I wanted to go to school in.) Michigan doesn't discriminate against OOS students lol (well... I guess it is harder for us to get in, but not for bad reasons). It is a state public school. Michigan residents pay taxes toward the school, just like Ohio residents do OSU. This is why they get a proportionally higher amount of spots and cheaper tuition. And again, this is undergrad we're talking about, what this started on. You keep bringing up grag school. Michigan has one of the highest endowments in the country, they don't really need to worry about inflating tuition revenue haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterWhite Posted January 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 LOL @ Michigan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 I'm a Gator fan and even I have to LOL@ Michigan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 I'm a Gator fan and even I have to LOL@ Michigan The gators have been pretty comparable recently. You can LOL at someone else knowing your pain... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 Well, based on past comments you've made, I don't think you really do know what you're talking about. You've been objectively wrong many times, all documented in these threads. I researched all of this when I was applying and kept up on a lot of it. I directly did all of this, not just through my kid (and he sounds very successful, congrats) Based on past comments you have made....I don't think....I KNOW you are wrong....a lot. Don't come off as an arrogant little cunt. (I got mail and stuff from MIT in high school. It looked cool. No grades freshman year. But even if I could get in, that's not the environment I wanted to go to school in.) Michigan doesn't discriminate against OOS students lol (well... I guess it is harder for us to get in, but not for bad reasons). It is a state public school. Michigan residents pay taxes toward the school, just like Ohio residents do OSU. This is why they get a proportionally higher amount of spots and cheaper tuition. And again, this is undergrad we're talking about, what this started on. You keep bringing up grag school. I will bring up whatever the fuck I want to bring up. If you can't keep up with the conversation, bail out of it. Michigan has one of the highest endowments in the country, they don't really need to worry about inflating tuition revenue haha so, they hoard their money too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 Uh... Someone is a little pissy. You know I'm wrong? Where? You've been objectively wrong on this topic many times (Akron engr = Michigan engr, no difference for OOS admissions, etc). There is a difference between keeping up and you just changing the conversation completely. That's great your kid applied to those schools, really, but grad schoo admissions really has nothing to do with why this back and forth started. Hoard money? Umm, no I don't think so. They get a lot and they spend a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin Eater Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 Lol @ michigan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 Uh... Someone is a little pissy. You know I'm wrong? Where? You've been objectively wrong on this topic many times (Akron engr = Michigan engr, no difference for OOS admissions, etc). An Akron Engineering degree vs. a Michigan engineering degree is by no mean "objective". It is totally subjective. But, from the viewpoint of my experience, knowing one person with an AU engineering degree and knowing you....I can only come to but one conclusion that the AU degree produced a higher quality individual. And I made no statement about Michigan's in state/out of state admissions policy.....I asked a question about it. I did not know the answer. You gave me an answer that was somewhat surprising. But I never refuted it. How is that objectively wrong? There is a difference between keeping up and you just changing the conversation completely. As is my prerogative. I am under no obligation here to start a new thread just because a different topic surfaces. That's great your kid applied to those schools, really, but grad schoo admissions really has nothing to do with why this back and forth started. Who said it did? We were talking about admissions statistics. I simply gave the undergrad stats of the schools he applied to.....as a comparison/extrapolation from the undergrad acceptance figures at the Big Ten schools. I guess I could have give SEC or MAC stats....but I chose to use a different subset. (plus I don't know that the grad school acceptance rates are something that is published except for a few places) Hoard money? Umm, no I don't think so. They get a lot and they spend a lot. Well....some schools do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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