One Post Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 Now he's not going to get in. Atleast that's what CNN is saying. I can't believe with all the votes Trump has got he's still getting stiffed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 Well I suppose if that happens the Republican party is wise enough to know that it's committing suicide. That is if, in fact, the Republican party is anything worth keeping intact. Who knows. Whether you love Trump or you hate Trump this is an evolution of the party, one less geared toward social issues that, really, nobody cares about, and running things logically and efficiently, which we don't do now. Maybe Donald Trump isn't a great messenger but people are stupid and that (and getting their own special group to play victim within) is what matters to them. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 I will never vote Republican again if that were to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Post Posted June 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 If Trump gets screwed I'll never vote again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 It would certainly underscore the futility and wasting your time energy and even the gas money to get to the polls. Is just a conspiracy theory I can imagine those in government welcoming this turn of events to keep those pain in the ass voters out of their way. We already stopped giving a shit about the Constitution might as well just bow our head and get in line. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 Also kids keep in mind this movement is mostly populated by disgruntled Ted Cruz supporters. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 well, first of all, CNN? The "communist news network" from way back in the day? Sure, there are plenty of people in the Rep party who want a soft, wimpy candidate who will actually do nothing much, say nothing much, and not stand for what he should stand for... but instead, is afraid of the rabid, vicious left in this country, that now owns the former Dem party, and will do almost anything to get and keep power. Leadership - I don't see any in McCain...and he lost a pres election. Same thing with Romney. Milktoasts who will play both sides and just get along, never actually do anything, never really say anything. That keeps the reps from ever getting criticized. The left HATES and wants power, more and more of it, for more and more free stuff, and more and more control over those who are not in their movement. Democrats are now emotionally like "islamic" terrorists in that way. They have a "sharia" type mentality. They have made a presidential election a very nasty, dirty game - where the folks who should be running for the republicans... will not run. Why would they be responsible for their spouses and children and all be nationally ridiculed and lied about in the press? The leftist dem party haters are not the steelers and warriors of the NFL and NBA. They want the championship, and they will take steriods, take out a qb's knees, illegal blows to the head.. they will cheat and they don't care if they hurt other players - they don't care if they make it all a farce, they just want it. and they will lock arms, dislocate shoulders, kick in the groins and face, play basketball like rugby, constantly set moving picks they just want to get the trophy. the leftists dem party will now do anything. Nationally ridicule a president's kids, lie about everything in his presidency, ridicule/hate any group that supports the other president..... obaMao is the ultimate cheapshotter for the leftists who own the formerly "democratic party". And worse, after he lied to get into office.... and used race as his special card to play... he has tried to go for broke at any cost as the president. Now, they desperately want to field a worse leftist - using the woman card, a nominee who lies like obamao, hates America and the lack of control over all non-leftist Americans more. There is no reason any American in our country should vote for a severely corrupt, dishonest, scandal-ridden, hater like higgardly. but the lure of power to slap everybody else in America in the face is their addiction. Most repblicans are tired of the cowardly, middle of the road pablum garbage from the party.. that isn't leadership, it's just playing stalemate/do nothing really nonsense. And problems don't get solved and principles and the Constitution ends up not being protected and respected out of timidity. but the other side is rabid, like a leftwing "democratic" zombie apocalypse. the republican party did it to themselves, and Trump is their final answer. the democrat party doesn't even exist anymore. CNN and co. are frantic and desperate to do as much as they can to try to initiate getting Trump out - he has the support of reps and dems alike - at least the dems and reps that are tired of the crap of the last eight years, and the lack of leadership of so many politicians on both sides of the game. obaMao and higgardly the hater are two of the most corrupt, vicious America hating asswipes in our country - and the left loves them. It's like cheering when "your team" intentionally cheats and injures other team's players to win a championship. It's like the left cheers robbing a bank, or cheers a destruction of anything about the non-leftist side. they have to own it, take it and flaunt it by hook or crook. THEY are allowed to break any law they don't like. And THEY want to own all the laws that they do, and THEY intend to enforce them. It's the ultimate destructive power trip. like a bunch of nazis. like terrorists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 Props to anyone that reads that ^ If Trump gets fucked, I hope he runs third party. It would increase my likelihood of voting for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 They're not gonna steal it from Trump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 Also kids keep in mind this movement is mostly populated by disgruntled Ted Cruz supporters. WSS Also the wet dream of the Trump hating media including CNN and MSNBC. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 Trump is not without blame himself. He got a big advantage in locking up the nomination 6 weeks ahead of Clinton and what has Trump accomplished in that time? Very little...positive anyway. He gets in a silly feud over the judge in his Trump University fraud case claiming the judge wasn't fair because the judge's parents came from Mexico. Trump is running a terrible campaign and this is his fault. The media who gave him a pass in the primary now have turned on him like I knew they would. Both Cruz and Rubio brought up the Trump University fraud case which the MSM pretty much ignored until Trump locked up the nomination and now they act like it is a new story. No doubt Trump is up against a media bias but he has to do better running his campaign. He keeps saying things he has to walk back the latest being about bar patrons carrying weapons. Not even the NRA thinks people drinking at a bar should be carrying weapons as it invites too much trouble. Trump says he won't go after Clinton until after the convention which makes no sense as she is going after him NOW to try and define him as not having the judgment to be president and her campaign will be spending 25 million dollars NOW in battle ground states to do it. This is what Barry and the dems did to Romney. They defined Romney is an out of touch plutocrat and got it to stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 Donald Trump Fires Corey Lewandowski, His Campaign Manager http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/21/us/politics/corey-lewandowski-donald-trump.html?partner=rss&emc=rss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 Just curious, exactly which issues do you disagree with him over? You just mad but he doesn't seem to be as religious as you'd like? I hear a lot of outrage on MSNBC about things like profiling mosques and how a couple of armed people at the nightclub in Orlando might have been able to take out the shooter and cracking down on immigration policy. I have no problem with any of that. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 WSS let's take them one issue at a time because there are so many: 1. Trump should turn over his tax returns. Every candidate since the 70's has turned over their tax returns when running for president. Why should Trump be any different and him being audited is not a valid reason not to release his tax returns. He has something to hide here obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 WSS let's take them one issue at a time because there are so many: 1. Trump should turn over his tax returns. Every candidate since the 70's has turned over their tax returns when running for president. Why should Trump be any different and him being audited is not a valid reason not to release his tax returns. He has something to hide here obviously. I don't understand the obsession over his tax returns. Or Romney's. He probably pays basically 0 tax and has a pretty low personal income, I don't think there's anything magical that they'd reveal though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 I don't understand the obsession over his tax returns. Or Romney's. He probably pays basically 0 tax and has a pretty low personal income, I don't think there's anything magical that they'd reveal Things the tax returns might reveal are that it might be embarrassing for Trump if he is not worth any where near the the 10 billion he claims and many credible sources say he is worth far less. Also his charitable giving or lack thereof would be revealed. Admittedly most of the time other candidates or parties want tax returns released is for political reasons but in Trump's case there is probably something there or he would be releasing them. There is no reason for him not to want to release them except they might prove embarrassing. If that is the case it would be better for him to release them now and get it over with 5 months before the election. This fall you will hear a lot from Clinton and the democrats about Trump not releasing his tax returns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 Things the tax returns might reveal are that it might be embarrassing for Trump if he is not worth any where near the the 10 billion he claims and many credible sources say he is worth far less. Also his charitable giving or lack thereof would be revealed. Admittedly most of the time other candidates or parties want tax returns released is for political reasons but in Trump's case there is probably something there or he would be releasing them. There is no reason for him not to want to release them except they might prove embarrassing. If that is the case it would be better for him to release them now and get it over with 5 months before the election. This fall you will hear a lot from Clinton and the democrats about Trump not releasing his tax returns. Tax returns don't reveal net worth. The financial disclosure he already filed, however, did. Especially with a guy like Trump where most of his net worth is not liquid assets, and income comes through his entities Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 Tax returns don't reveal net worth. The financial disclosure he already filed, however, did. Politico: Trump's Tax Returns Could Show Less Wealth According to a Politico story, Trump's tax returns would spell out accounting practices that reveal: Trump's businesses don't produce as much net income Trump assigns himself a net worth that's impossible to verify He's selling assets and increasing debt, suggesting cash flow issues "Trump has a tendency to value his brand at a very high amount but these are usually intangible valuations just pulled out of thin air," Steve Stanganelli, a certified financial planner told Politico. "And he appears to be reporting gross revenue. There is a huge difference between that and net income." Trump and his camp consistently report a net worth north of $10 billion with income at over $550 million. Fortune Magazine puts his net worth at almost $4 billion, while a 2005 book put Trump's net worth at $150 million to $250 million, Politico reported. A central issue is how Trump assigns value to his assets, specifically his many golf courses and resorts, about 14 of which get a Trump valuation of north of $600 million, Politico reported. "Unless we really know what the income and expenses for the clubs are, it's impossible to even guess at what the value would be," Larry Hirsh, a founder of the Society of Golf Appraisers told Politico. "He’s a classic example of a guy that, when he wants to get a loan or tell you how wealthy he is, he'll tell you something is worth a bazillion dollars. But when he wants to get taxes reduced he'll tell you it's worth $2.95." http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/donald-trump-irs-tax-returns-audit/2016/05/31/id/731454/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 Trump's personal tax returns would reveal nothing about his businesses. Based on his financial disclosure forbes assessed his net worth to be 4 billion. Trump says it's higher but that's factoring in arbitrary values assessed to his brand and such. He's worth at least $4 billion, I don't see why people would give two fucks. He's filthy fuckin' rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 Trump's personal tax returns would reveal nothing about his businesses. Based on his financial disclosure forbes assessed his net worth to be 4 billion. Trump says it's higher but that's factoring in arbitrary values assessed to his brand and such. He's worth at least $4 billion, I don't see why people would give two fucks. He's filthy fuckin' rich He isn't a successful business man: If he had invested the money his father GAVE him directly into the stock market, he would have been better off than trying to invest with all the failures he has had. Casinos, Vodka, Steaks, Universities, Mortgage, Airlines.. All failed. Trump (the game), Trump magazine, Trump tower Chicago, Trump Ice, The Apprentice board game, Miss USA, Tour De Trump, The New Jersey Generals. All considered failures of Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 OK tax returns. I don't care about his tax returns. I don't care about Mitt Romney's tax returns. I don't really care about Hillary's. There is only one reason the opposition wants to see them and that is that he's a very rich man and probably didn't pay a shitload of taxes. Why not? Because his accounting firm keeps that from happening. Same way I pay an accountant to make sure I don't have to Fork over more than I have to. But if you hate Trump you can point to that perfectly legal caveat and scream bloody murder. Personally I'd rather have someone like that than someone who grew up without anything and turned into the world's biggest glory hog, Barack Obama, who is impressed and influenced by being treated like a king. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 Trump did something right today firing his campaign manager. With Paul Manafort running his campaign now I think you will see Trump turn things around as Paul Manafort knows what he is doing and how to run a campaign. Fortunately for Trump he is running against Hillary Clinton who has almost as high negatives as Trump and if Trump just stays focused on pounding Clinton with all her many faults and NOT get sidetracked and off message I think he will do much better. Manafort will help him keep focused as well as getting other republicans on board to support Trump. This may be the turning point for Trump. I hope so as I don't under any circumstances want Hillary Clinton to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 He isn't a successful business man: If he had invested the money his father GAVE him directly into the stock market, he would have been better off than trying to invest with all the failures he has had. Casinos, Vodka, Steaks, Universities, Mortgage, Airlines.. All failed. Trump (the game), Trump magazine, Trump tower Chicago, Trump Ice, The Apprentice board game, Miss USA, Tour De Trump, The New Jersey Generals. All considered failures of Trump. False 1) His inheritance from his father is believed to be about 60 million (200 million split between him and his siblings) 2) He borrowed a few million against his inheritance in the late 80s/early 90s (note: a few million) 3) His father died in 1999, which is when Trump would have received the estimated ~66 million of his inheritance. 4) If you invested ~66 million into the S&P 500 you wouldn't have anything close to 4 billion 5) If you invested 200 million into the S&P 500 in the 70s (this is the phony number you're using in your assertion), you still wouldn't have 4 billion - maybe 2 billion or so. But he didn't get 200 million in inheritance, nor did he get his inheritance in the 70s as his father died in 99' - well after Trump was already a billionaire. 6) Take into account the brand and recognition he has built for himself, some of the most prime real estate in the world - more people know the name "Trump" than know the name Bill Clinton - and he was a president. So hopefully I cleared that up for you, basically an entirely false talking point that even the biased politifact shut down Also - Trump has a very small failure rate of his businesses. You could say > 90% of them are successful. Compare that to Mittens who failed the majority of all his business ventures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 True Ed: Trump Worth $10 Billion Less Than If He’d Simply Invested in Index Funds Forbes reports Donald Trump is worth $4.1 billion; Trump says $10 billion. Either way, he’d be worth a lot more if he simply retired 30 years ago and put his money in an unmanaged stock fund. The background To compare Trump’s performance to that of an unmanaged index fund, we need to know two things: his beginning net worth and his current net worth. There’s considerable debate about Trump’s net worth. It’s estimated at $4.1 billion in the latest “Forbes 400” list, which puts him in the No. 133 spot of the richest folks in America. However, in July, he issued a press release announcing his net worth at $10 billion. Fine. Let’s give him the benefit of the doubt and assume his net worth is $10 billion. Now we need to establish his net worth at some point in the past. Trump was on the Forbes 400 in 1982, when the magazine published its first annual list of America’s wealthiest denizens. That year, Forbes said Trump’s fortune was “estimated at over $200 million,” but also acknowledged that Trump claimed it was “$500 million,” according to Timothy L. O’Brien’s book “TrumpNation: The Art of Being The Donald.” Again, let’s give Trump the benefit of the doubt and assume he was worth $500 million in 1982. The math Imagine Trump had retired in 1982, sold his real estate holdings and invested his $500 million in the S&P 500 — that is, 500 stocks representing the American stock market. From 1982 through the end of 2014, the S&P 500 index had an annualized return, including reinvested dividends, of 11.86 percent, according to MoneyChimp’s S&P 500 Compound Annual Growth Rate calculator. Per this calculator, every dollar invested in January 1982 would have been worth $40 by December of 2014. That means Trump’s initial $500 million would have grown to $20 billion. That’s twice what Trump says he’s worth today. http://www.moneytalksnews.com/why-youre-probably-better-investing-than-donald-trump/ Donald Trump would be richer if he'd have invested in index fundshttp://fortune.com/2015/08/20/donald-trump-index-funds/ It turns out Donald Trump would actually be richer now if he'd done nothing since 1974http://indy100.independent.co.uk/article/it-turns-out-donald-trump-would-actually-be-richer-now-if-hed-done-nothing-since-1974--b1lhFdzt_g The real reason Donald Trump is so richhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/09/03/if-donald-trump-followed-this-really-basic-advice-hed-be-a-lot-richer/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 True Ed: Trump Worth $10 Billion Less Than If He’d Simply Invested in Index Funds Forbes reports Donald Trump is worth $4.1 billion; Trump says $10 billion. Either way, he’d be worth a lot more if he simply retired 30 years ago and put his money in an unmanaged stock fund. http://www.moneytalksnews.com/why-youre-probably-better-investing-than-donald-trump/ Donald Trump would be richer if he'd have invested in index fundshttp://fortune.com/2015/08/20/donald-trump-index-funds/ It turns out Donald Trump would actually be richer now if he'd done nothing since 1974http://indy100.independent.co.uk/article/it-turns-out-donald-trump-would-actually-be-richer-now-if-hed-done-nothing-since-1974--b1lhFdzt_g The real reason Donald Trump is so richhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/09/03/if-donald-trump-followed-this-really-basic-advice-hed-be-a-lot-richer/ I just explained it to you, what part of it don't you understand? Trump didn't receive his inheritance from his father in 1974 And he didn't have 100 million in liquid assets in 1974, you also can't really compare real estate to buffett or gates. It's pointless cock waving, Trump has built up a huge brand and is worth billions, I dont see the reason to criticize him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 I just explained it to you, what part of it don't you understand? Trump didn't receive his inheritance from his father in 1974 And he didn't have 100 million in liquid assets in 1974, you also can't really compare real estate to buffett or gates. It's pointless cock waving, Trump has built up a huge brand and is worth billions, I dont see the reason to criticize him. lets take the starting point of 1982 where Trump himself stated his net worth of 500 million: The background To compare Trump’s performance to that of an unmanaged index fund, we need to know two things: his beginning net worth and his current net worth. There’s considerable debate about Trump’s net worth. It’s estimated at $4.1 billion in the latest “Forbes 400” list, which puts him in the No. 133 spot of the richest folks in America. However, in July, he issued a press release announcing his net worth at $10 billion. Fine. Let’s give him the benefit of the doubt and assume his net worth is $10 billion. Now we need to establish his net worth at some point in the past. Trump was on the Forbes 400 in 1982, when the magazine published its first annual list of America’s wealthiest denizens. That year, Forbes said Trump’s fortune was “estimated at over $200 million,” but also acknowledged that Trump claimed it was “$500 million,” according to Timothy L. O’Brien’s book “TrumpNation: The Art of Being The Donald.” Again, let’s give Trump the benefit of the doubt and assume he was worth $500 million in 1982. The math Imagine Trump had retired in 1982, sold his real estate holdings and invested his $500 million in the S&P 500 — that is, 500 stocks representing the American stock market. From 1982 through the end of 2014, the S&P 500 index had an annualized return, including reinvested dividends, of 11.86 percent, according to MoneyChimp’s S&P 500 Compound Annual Growth Rate calculator. Per this calculator, every dollar invested in January 1982 would have been worth $40 by December of 2014. That means Trump’s initial $500 million would have grown to $20 billion. That’s twice what Trump says he’s worth today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 Here's a good liberal read on it http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2015/09/03/donald_trump_s_wealth_he_isn_t_only_rich_because_of_his_dad.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 I really think now that Paul Manafort is running Trump's campaign there will be a big improvement. I can't fault the former campaign manager for how he ran the campaign in the primaries as Trump won and beat out 16 other candidates. I faulted his campaign manager though after Trump won the nomination for not pivoting towards the general election. The general election is a whole new ball game that Paul Manafort understands but his former campaign manager not so much. I am not a big Trump supporter but I would vote for him any day of the week over Hillary Clinton and I think his new campaign manager will get Trump focused now on the general election. The primaries are over. Trump should not be fighting with other republicans now and Manafort is the right person Trump needs IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 Manafort will drive Trump's campaign in a more traditional direction, I suspect. I believe Manafort is the reason he started giving policy speeches with teleprompters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 Trumps part con artist, what elsr is new? We've known this for decades. In a rationsl free market the guy would be selling newspapers on the street. But because our system values gross exaggeration of capitol worth because it drove up global demand for u.s assets that banks have made untold sums on, guys like trump do well. As an innovative businessman what was his best idea? Selling steaks through sharper image? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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