John Football Excuses Forum....

[Zombo]

I think he was trying to do too much and was pressing. The game has to slow down for him at some point. He is still adjusting to the speed of the game. Every great QB has to go through it, he will too. More growing pains are coming as long as he continues to improve each game then we can stay positive. High draft picks next year, get him more weapons and shore up the line. A full offseason in the system and with his teammates will help.

 

How many fucking weapons does he need? Gordon is All Pro, Cameron is Pro Bowl and Hawkins was headed for 1,000 yards with Hoyer.

 

Doesn't mean shit if you are going to float passes into the middle of the field.

 

Zombo

[D Bone]

If you honestly believe he passed 'the eye test' today, then you need glasses. He did not have a single play where I thought, "OK, that was nice, I can see him doing more of that"... Not one.

 

He is not Petyon, Andrew, or Troy and never will be. He's a small, quick (but not fast) QB, that lacks NFL mechanics to excel at the NFL level. Wilson passed the eye test just days into camp and is in a completely different universe than Johnny.

 

We will all know a lot in 2 more weeks, because if he doesn't pass the eye test at some point in 12qtrs, then he probably never will.

[darubes]

The kid is a rookie. Give him some time.Granted he was awful today and broke

the cardinal rule in football being "never throw late across the middle" time and

time again but it was his first game.He obviously was not ready for the big stage.

Give him some time.BTW NO ONE on the Browns gave him any support. Our

overrated defense gives up 244 yards rushing,offensive line is a sieve,dropped

passes, a coach forced to call a timeout after the 2 minute warning,etc.

Johnny stunk but he is our QB for now.Coach him up.

[Manzier]

We will all know a lot in 2 more weeks, because if he doesn't pass the eye test at some point in 12qtrs, then he probably never will.

We have to assume he's never passed the eye test in camp or practice either. Otherwise it wouldn't have taken so long to get him out there. Most likely the reason Pettine waited so long before bringing him in. That was hard to watch.

[The Cysko Kid]

If you honestly believe he passed 'the eye test' today, then you need glasses. He did not have a single play where I thought, "OK, that was nice, I can see him doing more of that"... Not one.

 

He is not Petyon, Andrew, or Troy and never will be. He's a small, quick (but not fast) QB, that lacks NFL mechanics to excel at the NFL level. Wilson passed the eye test just days into camp and is in a completely different universe than Johnny.

 

We will all know a lot in 2 more weeks, because if he doesn't pass the eye test at some point in 12qtrs, then he probably never will.

The pass Hawkins dropped was nice.

[Tour2ma]

Shanny needs to drop that read action shit. If you go read action it has to be the absolute basis for your whole offense, not something you sprinkle in or you don't do it right.

So you want to shit-can the foundation of your "star" QB's award winning college game because you can't sprinkle it in?

 

Dalton ran an option today... once.

Dalton ran the read option last week... once... kept it for a TD... fairly long run, too.

 

I do notice a similar trend with those that wanted Johnny starting from the get go. Said people were very quick to point out that everything on offense was Hoyer's fault.

 

Now with Johnny not finding success, they have no issue saying that it wasn't all on Manziel. Which of course more level-headed people have been saying for some time.

I had not noticed that... of course...

[Manzier]

The pass Hawkins dropped was nice.

Yes! THATS why we lost. Hawkins.

[The Cysko Kid]

I'm not saying it's why we lost. I'm pointing to ONE good throw which d bone is saying didn't happen at all. Honestly the reading comprehension...

[Manzier]

sorry I missed that. My bad.

 

and HOORAY! a good throw. I missed that too. Thats a positive

 

Thanks for pointing it out.

[The Cysko Kid]

Dude cinci was all over him. He played bad there's no doubt about that. He played bad. Our defense also played badly.

[D Bone]

The pass Hawkins dropped was nice.

 

That was a nice play in comparison to the rest, but honestly, I wasn't impressed with the wobbly, low velocity throw. Yes Hawk has to catch that, that's not what I'm saying, but the play in general was nothing more than what I remember seeing Colt do.... a slow, fluttery, high risk pass across his body. Some like those, I'm not one of them.

[Tour2ma]

I think he was trying to do too much and was pressing. The game has to slow down for him at some point. He is still adjusting to the speed of the game. Every great QB has to go through it, he will too. More growing pains are coming as long as he continues to improve each game then we can stay positive. High draft picks next year, get him more weapons and shore up the line. A full offseason in the system and with his teammates will help.

For Fuck Sake (FFS for future ref) Stop!

 

Now we have to get the league wrecker help? What did he not have to work with that his predecessor did the past few weeks? McDonald?

 

Just stop, do the "on-time" count and let your boy's next effort speak for itself. Pressure's off... now.

 

Besides the Cowboy's game is fixin' to start... Fuck Dem Cowboys, too...

 

Jack Ridley: Pull that stuff on flight test, it's all over for him. I say he screwed the pooch, partner. Plain and simple.

 

Chuck Yeager: Yeah, well, sometimes you get a pooch that can't be screwed, ya know?

 

Tour: But, Chuck, this one was screwed... royally.

[hoorta]

Johnny will be great. Browns will be great. It's one start. Not the end of the world.

 

Did you say Johnny will be great? Frankly, today I saw Brandon Wee-Done out there- on a bad day.

 

Are you pleased he was so bad then? i wonder sometimes if people on here actually want us to succeed

 

No and shit no I'm not happy Manziel laid a mega-turd in his first start. I'll break it down elsewhere.

 

no excuses....but while it's true manziel didn't win the game the defense definitely lost it.....that was the worst defense i've ever seen.....

 

didn't lose the game? Sure, but he had a huge part in why the Browns didn't win. Doubtful Hoyer or anyone else could have done much worse.

 

I think he was trying to do too much and was pressing. The game has to slow down for him at some point. He is still adjusting to the speed of the game. Every great QB has to go through it, he will too. More growing pains are coming as long as he continues to improve each game then we can stay positive. High draft picks next year, get him more weapons and shore up the line. A full offseason in the system and with his teammates will help.

 

Well hardy har-har. Not gonna single you out- because the rest of the Manzealots just got a mega dose of humble pie, and are nowhere to be seen right about now- He's JFF- gonna get around 4 TDs and 100 rushing yards. Welcome to the Big Boy league Johnny- go have a Snickers or two.

[Tobalaz]

Johnny Frodo was just too tired to play a good game today after that long trip to Mordor.

That had to be the 2nd most miserable thing to happen to him in his life next to the tall guy that broke wind in front of him in that elevator.

 

Seriously though.

All I heard on "the other board" from day 1 was people wishing Hoyer to fail or get hurt so they could see Johnny play.

Well, they got their wish and are getting the team, as fans, they deserve. When you're WINNING GAMES and saying you want to see your starting qb go down with an injury you don't deserve a winner.

I'm afraid there are waaay too many Browns fans that had the "Let Hoyer get hurt or stink it up so we can see Johnny" mentality, now they're all getting what they wanted.

Too bad, this had been the first season in 20 years I've enjoyed, at least the first half...

[Clevfan4life]

In Manziels defense Peyton Manning would have gotten pin holed out there today. Look Johnny made a lot of bad throws not under duress...but the whole game he was running for his life. Carlos Dunlap invited himself to virtually ever handoff party between Manziel and our RB's. Fucking ridiculous o line.

[hoorta]

We've got seriously the worst fans ever. Myself included. We turn on people so goddamn quickly. I think this game showed Hoyer was far from failing on his own. That being said at least Johnny didn't throw everyone else under the bus at his post game presser.

 

Hey MANZIEL SUCKS, MANZIEL SUCKS!!!! Happy now? Just kidding.

 

I don't think there are any excuses.

 

I do notice a similar trend with those that wanted Johnny starting from the get go. Said people were very quick to point out that everything on offense was Hoyer's fault.

Now with Johnny not finding success, they have no issue saying that it wasn't all on Manziel. Which of course more level-headed people have been saying for some time.

 

The issues of this offense go beyond the QB position. However they were very much highlighted for the worse with Mr Football under center.

 

See below.

In Manziels defense Peyton Manning would have gotten pin holed out there today. Look Johnny made a lot of bad throws not under duress...but the whole game he was running for his life. Carlos Dunlap invited himself to virtually ever handoff party between Manziel and our RB's. Fucking ridiculous o line.

 

RE: Manning- I doubt it. So who was making the line calls and check offs? We don't know. If Johnny could see (twice at least ) he had an uncounted for defender ready to kill him, and didn't change the play- well that's on him.

[nickers]

Hey MANZIEL SUCKS, MANZIEL SUCKS!!!! Happy now? Just kidding.

 

 

See below.

 

RE: Manning- I doubt it. So who was making the line calls and check offs? We don't know. If Johnny could see (twice at least ) he had an uncounted for defender ready to kill him, and didn't change the play- well that's on him.

 

I saw Johnny having a hard time discerning where the seams were.. he held on to the ball like.. forever.. He looked overwhelmed and he looked awful...

[bbedward]

I saw Johnny having a hard time discerning where the seams were.. he held on to the ball like.. forever.. He looked overwhelmed and he looked awful...

He was way too late on pretty much every throw. And he had the phantom pressure.

[Aggie Brown fan]

Johnny was terrible, much worse than I thought he would be. Lots to work on.

[Osiris]

We've got seriously the worst fans ever. Myself included. We turn on people so goddamn quickly. I think this game showed Hoyer was far from failing on his own. That being said at least Johnny didn't throw everyone else under the bus at his post game presser.

Bingo. Every time we lose some idiot calls for the entire offensive line to be traded, the head coach to be fired, the QB to benched, the water boys to be tarred and feathered, the owner to be jailed, and blah blah blah. Suck it up and support your team. Rome wasn't built in a day. Some of you would all rather throw out any progress we made since last year because of one loss. It's no wonder we are rebuilding every damn year.

[USFBrown]

In Manziels defense Peyton Manning would have gotten pin holed out there today. Look Johnny made a lot of bad throws not under duress...but the whole game he was running for his life. Carlos Dunlap invited himself to virtually ever handoff party between Manziel and our RB's. Fucking ridiculous o line.

Players respect Manning. He doesn't provide them extra motivation to rip his head off. They also respect his smarts and ability.

 

Johnny has no respect (doesn't deserve it and hasn't earned it) and players have some extra motivation to show the millionaires son a piece of humble pie.

 

Don't give me this shit its the NFL they play hard all the time, this little shit head definitely gives opposing teams some extra motivation to make him eat dirt. Until he stops acting like a spoiled brat or earns some respect, it'll be the same.

[lodilobo]

Okay....Manziel sucked yesterday...but I gave Hoyer 12 -1/2 games before I started wishing Manziel would come in. Johnny needs to get time to develop. Also...keep in mind Pettine is a rookie too, and did not really do a great job yesterday. Personally, I have no preference who qb's the team....I just want a competent guy out there. The biggest mystery to me is this....if all the other players supported the switch to Manziel, and they were positive going into this game...then why did the entire team play so pathetic? Keep in mind.... this was the Bengals....not the Broncos. I really hope the coaching staff figures this out quick, because Haslam is not a patient man, and I really like Pettine. I would hate to see a new HC search.

[Westside Steve]

Are you pleased he was so bad then? i wonder sometimes if people on here actually want us to succeed

No shit London.

It's sounding like a bunch of Ben-galss fans blowing jizz all over each other.

 

WSS

[jrb12711]

Alright, I didn't want to make a new thread but I really sat there watching the Eagles game last night and thought over the game. Before anyone goes ape-shit, Manziel sucked. I'm not saying in any way shape or form he didn't. But here are some things I'm considering and what I'm hoping for moving forward.

 

-Manziel got humiliated between the money signs and media attention. Hell ESPN this morning a "mocking manziel" counter this morning (it was 6 I think). Honestly, I think that may turn out to be a good thing. Manziel got shocked into the NFL yesterday. It sucks, but perhaps it was the wake-up he and others needed to move forward. Manziel to realize he's not God's gift to the world, and Shanahan to realize the read-option nonsense doesn't work as more than a facet of a pro offense.

 

-The mistakes, and most noticeably the interceptions, were classic "rookie" mistakes to make. With all the media crap I know I almost forgot it was the dude's first start. Forced throw across his body and a late throw are mistakes he can learn from. I actually think being on the road may be a good thing this upcoming week.

 

-He's 22 years old. I'm not using that as an excuse, but I'm just throwing that up there as a stated fact.

 

-He did show a few flashes of what he brings to the table. Three drops didn't help his cause but twice he made a good decision to throw instead of run (both dropped).

 

Lastly, there's literally nowhere to go but up from here. If someone is going to play that badly, it's hopefully in their first start. It's discouraging, but that's my 2 cents.

[Pats_Fan93]

I don't see nearly as many Aggies fans here now.

 

Anyway, yesterday's performance was obviously NOT what anyone wanted from Johnny boy. I don't really think there are any excuses. Hoyer wouldn't have won the game either, the team as a whole did not have a good day. However I'm not using that as an excuse by any means. Late decisions, bad decisions, bad throws, you name it. He f$^%ed the goose, big time.

 

But it was his first NFL start. If he was on the Pats, I could hear all the Bostonians now screaming about how his career is over and they should trade him now. I don't think so, because he hasn't had a chance to get his feet wet with real NFL football. Now he knows what it's like to get your ass handed to you so I guess that's a good "Welcome to the NFL" message. Maybe the rest of this year he can just work on improving plays in real-game situations.

[TexasAg1969]

Not even glimpses of competence in the Offense? A hint of a drive?

 

Not even a hint. Why would that have changed when he has even less ability to escape defenders trying to take the handoff? And he had a real defense last weekend, but would not have had any this weekend any more than JF. Same exact outcome. This was a team effort at total failure of the trenches both sides of the ball. When you do your line grading this week it will show the data back up the statement.

 

I said consistently that I hoped they played Hoyer on out because giving a rookie the ball when it's playoff gear-up time with 13 games less experience than the starter was just not going to be a fair measure. Once they made the change I totally support the player, but hindsight says my first instinct was right. Just look what happened early in the season to all the other QB's taken in his class when playoffs were not yet on the line.

 

The hard question for Pettine now is where to go from here. Do you leave him in to learn from mistakes or do you tell him we start over next summer and place it on yourself as coach?

[lodilobo]

Alright, I didn't want to make a new thread but I really sat there watching the Eagles game last night and thought over the game. Before anyone goes ape-shit, Manziel sucked. I'm not saying in any way shape or form he didn't. But here are some things I'm considering and what I'm hoping for moving forward.

 

-Manziel got humiliated between the money signs and media attention. Hell ESPN this morning a "mocking manziel" counter this morning (it was 6 I think). Honestly, I think that may turn out to be a good thing. Manziel got shocked into the NFL yesterday. It sucks, but perhaps it was the wake-up he and others needed to move forward. Manziel to realize he's not God's gift to the world, and Shanahan to realize the read-option nonsense doesn't work as more than a facet of a pro offense.

 

-The mistakes, and most noticeably the interceptions, were classic "rookie" mistakes to make. With all the media crap I know I almost forgot it was the dude's first start. Forced throw across his body and a late throw are mistakes he can learn from. I actually think being on the road may be a good thing this upcoming week.

 

-He's 22 years old. I'm not using that as an excuse, but I'm just throwing that up there as a stated fact.

 

-He did show a few flashes of what he brings to the table. Three drops didn't help his cause but twice he made a good decision to throw instead of run (both dropped).

 

Lastly, there's literally nowhere to go but up from here. If someone is going to play that badly, it's hopefully in their first start. It's discouraging, but that's my 2 cents.

This game will test Manziel's character. If he's strong, he will forget about it and come back ready to win in Carolina. I've seen other rookie qb's have their confidence ruined just by playing for the Browns (Couch, Weeden, Frye, etc.)

[Manzier]

This game will test Manziel's character. If he's strong, he will forget about it and come back ready to win in Carolina. I've seen other rookie qb's have their confidence ruined just by playing for the Browns (Couch, Weeden, Frye, etc.)

Weeden took a crap his first game too and put up a measley 5.1 qbr, then came back his second week and improved to a 114 qbr.

 

If brandon can do it, then JFF can do it. Cmon Manziel, show us you can do better than weeden!!!

[tml1138]

This game will test Manziel's character. If he's strong, he will forget about it and come back ready to win in Carolina. I've seen other rookie qb's have their confidence ruined just by playing for the Browns (Couch, Weeden, Frye, etc.)

 

JM's confidence seems to be stronger than the rest of those guys you listed. (Or will he end up being just arrogant and delusional? Time will tell.)

[calfoxwc]

Well... it seems that Broadway Flop Johnny wasn't ready for primetime.

 

I could dismiss that easily, if they had thrown him into the fire early on.

 

Johnny has been too busy being Broadway, when he should have taken this

opportunity to WORK at being successful, instead of partying around all this time,

and planning on running around, and just making defenses look silly eventually,

after running around like Fran Tarkenton - when Tarkenton was ten years old,

playing football with friends in his backyard.

 

Manziel said it himself - he played poorly his first year and a half in college.

 

I figure he could have cut that to six months if he had not been Broadway Johnny in

his own mind.

 

Of course, his receiver Hawkins didn't have his head in the game, and the Bengals

were really po'd at being embarrassed by the Browns at their home field...