Clevfan4life Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 However, today really made me wonder whether we have to go LB'er or OL in next years draft. I'm fucking done with Dansby even though he had a sack. That's like all he does. He gets in once or twice a game and pressures and/or sacks the qb. Every running play goes right at him and Kirksey. All the teams know where our run weakness is even though most fans have been loathe to admit it. We got conned by Dansby. He was the product of the system in Arizona...Hortons I believe. Maybe if Horton had stayed on as DC we'd see something out of him. He's not particularly fast, he's not particularly strong. Poluszny showed us today how a real mike stops the run. He fought his way through our blockers and met our RB's in the hole. In Dansby's own words he compared himself to the 49'er LB'ers. Willis and Bowman are both out...and I'd still take their 2nd string ILB'ers over Dansby. Wilhoite and Borland are doing a decent job of filling in for WIllis and Bowman. So yeah another rant about our ILB'ers...I'm over it. The team gave us a pretty decent season so far so I'm done complaining. Half the starting front 7 is out and/or gimped like Kruger who looks like the 2013 version of himself again. So I'll take it...we blew out the steelers so cheers, lol. Just time to start paying more attention to College I guess and seeing who we could potentially be drafting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 We need quality, O-line depth... more than we've shown anyway. Since we haven't seen all we have on the bench or PS, can't be sure, but seems like a safe assumption that it is a need. A lot of ways to add quality depth. All the way from drafting high with hope to demote a marginal starter to medium to compete and add quality to low looking for a sleeper, a starter in the raw. Plus we have some PUP types stashed for the future. At LB though, I think we need starters... period... and that's going to consume some picks. TBC in January... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 Get rid of Mingos sorry ass. Dude cant tackle, he bounces off everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBrown Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 If only we had drafted Mosley instead of Gilbert. Of course, hindsight is a wonderful thing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 I'm with Tour2-OL first and go from there. In a run oriented O that is meant to control the ball and clock you must have in depth, quality OL. Been sayin' that since I arrived on this board before the season started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 I don't want to talk draft at this point, but I think your higher picks should try and secure your future defensive captain. Add O-line depth after that, and through FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cbus Brownie Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 However, today really made me wonder whether we have to go LB'er or OL in next years draft. I'm fucking done with Dansby even though he had a sack. That's like all he does. He gets in once or twice a game and pressures and/or sacks the qb. Every running play goes right at him and Kirksey. All the teams know where our run weakness is even though most fans have been loathe to admit it. We got conned by Dansby. He was the product of the system in Arizona...Hortons I believe. Maybe if Horton had stayed on as DC we'd see something out of him. He's not particularly fast, he's not particularly strong. Poluszny showed us today how a real mike stops the run. He fought his way through our blockers and met our RB's in the hole. In Dansby's own words he compared himself to the 49'er LB'ers. Willis and Bowman are both out...and I'd still take their 2nd string ILB'ers over Dansby. Wilhoite and Borland are doing a decent job of filling in for WIllis and Bowman. So yeah another rant about our ILB'ers...I'm over it. The team gave us a pretty decent season so far so I'm done complaining. Half the starting front 7 is out and/or gimped like Kruger who looks like the 2013 version of himself again. So I'll take it...we blew out the steelers so cheers, lol. Just time to start paying more attention to College I guess and seeing who we could potentially be drafting. but but but everyone said he was a major upgrade from DQ Jackson? Lol. I'm not going to write him off yet, that was the first game he stuck out for terrible play. Having said that, his ceiling isn't too high either...just saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 I'm with Tour2-OL first and go from there. In a run oriented O that is meant to control the ball and clock you must have in depth, quality OL. Been sayin' that since I arrived on this board before the season started. lol... sorry... did not mean to head fake you, but I was making, or attempting to make, a case for LBs. We seriously need a 3-down OLB and a hard-nosed ILB.... preferably 3-down as well. Not that they grow on trees and will both be landed in the same draft. We've been pretty much in lock step thinking we need a RT upgrade. And while that would be a route to depth, it's an expensive one that I don't think either our intact line's performance warrants or our current LB play allows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 i was surprised to see hawkins numbers yesterday. great game for a slot receiver which didn't translate to the scoreboard. don't agree 100% that our OL was the cause for our lack in the running game. quick eye test: murray. then tate. one is a monster that attacks everything in front of him. the other looks for a hole that isn't there. nuff said on that. i'm all in on LB and OL help. like i said in another post just keep drafting wisconsin's front OL and LSU or FLA ST. DL every fricking year. but we need a stud WR (gordon insurance) and you usually don't find them in the later rounds. LBs, O and Dline can find later. thing is, we lost a trap game. we're still all pissed. let's see what this staff can do so we don't become another lame duck vs. oakland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuwoohio Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 Yes, to early for serious draft talk, but there are obvious holes to fill. We need to know if QB is one of them, and there's Time to figure that out. O-line depth can be had later in draft. Defense may actually be where the draft can help the most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 Yes, to early for serious draft talk, but there are obvious holes to fill. We need to know if QB is one of them, and there's Time to figure that out. O-line depth can be had later in draft. Defense may actually be where the draft can help the most. you know what's funny is you look up and we're at the half point of the football season already. i really felt throughout this stretch a lot of positives with the FO and coaching staff and i still do BUT every game means sooo much that you let these so-called 'easy' games slip by and you're 5-11 again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alporcini Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 Damn Bills!!! Stop winning! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted October 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 If only we had drafted Mosley instead of Gilbert. Of course, hindsight is a wonderful thing... Liked Mosley but if we defense, Mack was the boy. We get to see him next week against Oakland. There's defensive rookie of the year talk with him right now, especially since Clowney's been out. But even when Clowney wasn't hurt I still read that Mack was outplaying everyone. Mack was someone we could have moved around everywhere. He could sub in for our OLB'ers but we could also have played him next to Dansby to learn from, what we were told, was possibly the best ILB in the NFL not wearing a SF jersey. Now I'm not so sure obviously. But Mack was a beast, I really really really wanted him. Basically take the skillset and speed of Von Miller but add size and strength. And that's as a rookie. In a couple years Mack may be one of the most dominant defensive players in the NFL because he's more versatile than Clowney. But we've got Gilbert so fuck yay for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted October 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 , that was the first game he stuck out for terrible play. Having said that, his ceiling isn't too high either...just saying I've been noticing he isn't very good from opening day, I don't know what else you guys have been seeing for 6 games. He's made some big plays on the QB so I think that got him a pass from a lot of you guys on his run defense.....which has been utterly terrible since day one. He made his numbers in Hortons system in Arizona, like the rest of our DL last year, so something has to be up with this scheme change. Fuck what I have no idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenew23 Posted October 21, 2014 Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 Don't get me started with the draft yet. I already have my top 25 for the Browns, in no particular order: Amari Cooper - WR - Alabama (Of course, if Buffalo or us suck enough to get a top 8 pick) Austin HIll - WR - Arizona Sammie Coates - WR - Auburn Shawn Oakman - DE - Baylor Corey Crawford - DE - Clemson Mario Edwards Jr. - DE/DT - Florida State Ray Drew - DE - Georiga Ramik Wilson - ILB - Georiga Brandon Scherff - OT/OG - Iowa Melvin Lewis - NT - Kentucky Denzel Perryman - ILB - Miami(FL) Shillique Calhoun - DE/OLB - Mich St *3-4 OLB project Benardick McKinney - ILB - Mississippi St Markus Golden - DE/OLB - Missouri *3-4 OLB project Shane Ray - DE/OLB - Missouri *3-4 OLB project Randy Gregory - DE/OLB - Nebraska *3-4 OLB project Christian Lombard - OG - Notre Dame Geneo Grissom - OLB - Oklahoma Jake Fisher - OT - Oregon Ty Montgomery - WR - Stanford A.J. Johnson - ILB - Tennessee Malcom Brown - DT - Texas Cedric Ogbuehi - OT/OG - Texas A&M (but he hasn't looked quite as good this year as last) Leonard Williams - DE - USC Danny Shelton - DT - Washington These are just a few, and I don't know how many are underclassmen, but they seem to be good fits for our team... Long way to go until draft day... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownSouthKC Posted October 21, 2014 Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 Yes, to early for serious draft talk, but there are obvious holes to fill. We need to know if QB is one of them, and there's Time to figure that out. O-line depth can be had later in draft. Defense may actually be where the draft can help the most. Aren't going to find out if QB is one of them this year pretty much regardless of how either one plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownSouthKC Posted October 21, 2014 Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 These are just a few, and I don't know how many are underclassmen, but they seem to be good fits for our team... Long way to go until draft day... Don't know if you're biased or haven't watched him play or just left him out but Devin Funchess needs to be on your list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin J Posted October 21, 2014 Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 Dansby was brought in for his coverage abilities, as was Kirksey. If the DLine were doing their jobs, the guys we have now would look better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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