LondonBrown Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 Of the 68 tackles evaluated by Pro Football Focus this season he currently stands.......68th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 Of the 68 tackles evaluated by Pro Football Focus this season he currently stands.......68th I think anyone that has watched the interior line play really doesn't even half to look at PFF. This is in stark contrast to just how good the Dline looked against the run in the pre-season. I'll say now that I"m still not a fan of the double eagle looks we tend to give quite often. I feel it plays to the weakness of Big Phi, Desmond, Armonty & Winn. All are 1 gap penetrating lineman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 our best defensive performance comes with 3 down lineman and some combo of our OLB'ers, preferably Kruger/Sheard on one side and Mingo on the other. This is when our defense is unstoppable. Having only two down lineman on the field with our talent and depth makes no sense. Putting up 3 on the line disallows teams from doubling up any of our outside rushers. I would even love to see packages where Armonty splits out wide with either Sheard or Kruger split out on the other side with their hands in the dirt...and Mingo is standing up behind Armonty ready to dive in or out depending on where the tackle goes with Bryant. For sure though we've looked the best with 3 DL and Sheard/Kruger/Mingo hovering on the edges. I'd like to see Kruger at the last second put his hand in the dirt more if he smells pass, or have Dansby make the call as he's the defensive cpt. Kruger and Sheard are still best with their hands in the dirt when rushing the passer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 The pass rush isnt primary concern. The interior line cannot stop the run. Pushing the pocket against the pass is a secondary at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 depends on the team. Had we kept the same pressure throughout the game on Brees that we did in the 1st quarter, they could have run for 200 yds doesn't matter. It's Brees, and Graham, that score points for that offense. Sunday against the Ravens I'd argue that pressure on Flacco is paramount, especially without Ray Rice. If we shut down Flacco we win, period. These aren't the Jamaal Lewis Ravens that will run for 300 yds if you let up on the run game. Imo we keep the pressure on the Flacco and tell our ILB'ers the run game is your responsibility. Our OLB'ers have done a good job of forcing everything inside so the DL and the ILB'ers will have to step up in run defense. If we can pressure Flacco with just our front four we'll be 2-1 next Monday. The pass rush isnt primary concern. The interior line cannot stop the run. Pushing the pocket against the pass is a secondary at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 depends on the team. Had we kept the same pressure throughout the game on Brees that we did in the 1st quarter, they could have run for 200 yds doesn't matter. It's Brees, and Graham, that score points for that offense. Sunday against the Ravens I'd argue that pressure on Flacco is paramount, especially without Ray Rice. If we shut down Flacco we win, period. These aren't the Jamaal Lewis Ravens that will run for 300 yds if you let up on the run game. Imo we keep the pressure on the Flacco and tell our ILB'ers the run game is your responsibility. Our OLB'ers have done a good job of forcing everything inside so the DL and the ILB'ers will have to step up in run defense. If we can pressure Flacco with just our front four we'll be 2-1 next Monday. That's cool. Until November and December/January come along, then when you see Rub getting blown off the ball and Phil not in a position to do his thing - we'll have that conversation around that time. I know some Bills fans had complained about their rush defense last year as well. Some saying it was schematic with Pettine, others blaming the youth at linebacker. I'm hoping its the later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5150k9 Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 Thoughts on trading him to the COLTS? They just had Jones go down(carted off), Mathis is gone for the season. Get a pretty high draft pick? thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 lols...Colts probably aren't gonna do a trade with us for awhile. Thoughts on trading him to the COLTS? They just had Jones go down(carted off), Mathis is gone for the season. Get a pretty high draft pick? thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 That's cool. Until November and December/January come along, then when you see Rub getting blown off the ball and Phil not in a position to do his thing - we'll have that conversation around that time. I know some Bills fans had complained about their rush defense last year as well. Some saying it was schematic with Pettine, others blaming the youth at linebacker. I'm hoping its the later. what makes you think Rub and Phil are gonna get blown off the ball at the end of the year? Did that happen last year? D line is our strongest asset on defense. If they're getting exposed right now it's gotta be the scheme, not them. It's hard for me to judge cause I can't see the interior play that well on tv....maybe Pettine has them trying to slice the gaps too much and they're getting zoned? I dunno.....With our dline depth I"d rather have them going head up and bullrushing virtually every down. Maybe run some stunts every now and then but otherwise we're built to fold the pocket up from the inside....if our edges keep up their play the QB's are gonna no place to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5150k9 Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 lols...Colts probably aren't gonna do a trade with us for awhile. If they are desperate enough. Which seemed to be the case for T Rich.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 Colts fans would revolt against the team if they traded another draft pick to the Browns and the trade didn't turn out so well. I like Rubin but if Indy gave us a 1st rounder for him than heck yeah I'd do that trade. There's also players on that team that I'd trade Rubin for. Colts aren't gonna part with any of Lucks weapons, but if they wanted to trade like Werner for Rubin I'd do that. We'd have the best OLB rotation in football along with still the best dline rotation around. I just don't see a trade with them happening, not with us...lol. They got "burned" with trich. If they are desperate enough. Which seemed to be the case for T Rich.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5150k9 Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 Colts fans would revolt against the team if they traded another draft pick to the Browns and the trade didn't turn out so well. I like Rubin but if Indy gave us a 1st rounder for him than heck yeah I'd do that trade. There's also players on that team that I'd trade Rubin for. Colts aren't gonna part with any of Lucks weapons, but if they wanted to trade like Werner for Rubin I'd do that. We'd have the best OLB rotation in football along with still the best dline rotation around. I just don't see a trade with them happening, not with us...lol. They got "burned" with trich. After watching T-Rich's fumble, your right. The fans would revolt, but sure would be nice... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 bwahaha, did he fumble tonight? how bad was it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5150k9 Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 His fumble just let the Eagles drive and tie the game. It was like on the Colts 30.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5150k9 Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 Showed him pouting on the sidelines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 bwahaha, did he fumble tonight? how bad was it? It was 7 points for the other team bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 facepalm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 He's a DT in a 3-4. All he does is clog holes. How do you rank that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 Someone needs to get Jim Irsay liquoured up and take their first rounder next year for some kid on our PS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 You have heard that Irsay rolls harder than that right? You're gonna need to bring some prime Peruvian flake to that party. Someone needs to get Jim Irsay liquoured up and take their first rounder next year for some kid on our PS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 He's a DT in a 3-4. All he does is clog holes. How do you rank that? Stop percentage and avg opposing yards between the tackles are a good start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dste Ace Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 You have heard that Irsay rolls harder than that right? You're gonna need to bring some prime Peruvian flake to that party. Go big or go home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclawdog Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 I love Rubin, but he is fading quickly. I think Pettine should take one or maybe even two defensive linemen in the first round. You have to have a dominant d-line in the AFC North. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 I love Rubin, but he is fading quickly. I think Pettine should take one or maybe even two defensive linemen in the first round. You have to have a dominant d-line in the AFC North. That's a bit excessive seeing as how this team could use a couple offensive weapons. I think this coaching staff needs to address why they run this double eagle look on the goal line. Our interior doesn't flow to the ball and the Saints ran off tackle a ton. If this was the Niners, I could understand. The Saints? Not so much. That said, this line needs a big man who can hold hold is own at the 3/4 tech, but has the speed to give guards and tackles fits. I'm all aboard the Leonard Williams train. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 I don't understand some of you guys sometime. We're 1 year removed from a season where we had some of the most dominant Dline play in years and 2 games into the next season. Yeah we got run all over in the first two games, and from what I saw it was a lot of missed tackles right at the line by our ILB'ers. I've seen nothing yet that says Rubin and Taylor have lost anything from last year. Starting to talk about taking D lineman in the 1st round in next years draft is just baffling to me given how deep we already are. If there's some ridiculous Clowney like talent that will dominate at his position in the NFL from day one, than we'll have that discussion. Right now we still have serious issues with our receiving corp. And just cause we get soon to be mr 4 strikes back in 10 games doesn't mean shit. If Gordon can keep his ass clean hey great, still need to draft a #`1 receiver next year in the 1st round. Other than receiver...I'm looking at possibly an ILB depending on how this season plays out. If Dansby cleans up his run tackling and Kirksey keeps coming along, than no. But there might be the next Ray Lewis in next years draft, we'll see how his season pans out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 We're just talking different positions of need as we see them. I have said before that I think big Phil is a great NT. He showed in the past two seasons that he can tie up the Center and a Guard and still flow laterally to the ball carrier. But I have never thought he is a great DT, which is essentially how he is being used now. Vive versa for Rubin... What was the question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 We're just talking different positions of need as we see them. I have said before that I think big Phil is a great NT. He showed in the past two seasons that he can tie up the Center and a Guard and still flow laterally to the ball carrier. But I have never thought he is a great DT, which is essentially how he is being used now. Vive versa for Rubin... What was the question? Do you mean that in reverse? Phil appears to be a better DT/DE than a NT. His play against Washington in the preseason stands out in my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 our DLine will be fine if pettine can fine tune it and get off his hard stance of predicated schemes. by now he should know how to utilize each player to get the best out of them. the DLine has been our strength on D for the last 3-4 years. no reason to think that will change after 2 flippin games. that ponderosa steakhouse fat is a little tougher to shake on and off than let's say a big mac. get them there earlier and keep them there later for 2 days of paractice a week then give them an xtra day the fuck off except in the weight room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Do you mean that in reverse? Phil appears to be a better DT/DE than a NT. His play against Washington in the preseason stands out in my mind. Nope.. as written... But I am remembering last year after fully recouping from his year-two, pec tear and his rookie season. I loved him on the center's nose in a true 3-4. Edit: Realized this AM we were not in a 3-4 his first two seasons, but I remember being more impressed with him on the center's nose. I believe that is where Jauron put him a good percentage of the time in the 4-3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Tour, why do you think Phil is a better NT than DT? As a NT he's got to do even more heavy lifting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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