Hall of Fame QB win percentages

[The Gipper]

Here is the list of Hall of Fame QBs ....plus those of some pretty sure fire HOF QBs by regular season win percentage:

 

Otto Graham .840

Tom Brady .773

Roger Staubach .746

Joe Montana .713

Peyton Manning .699

Bob Waterfield .685

Aaron Rodger .680

Terry Bradshaw .677

Ben Roethlisberger .671

Steve Young .657

John Unitas .645

John Elway .643

Jim Kelly .631

Norm Van Brocklin .629

Brett Favre .624

Bob Griese .619

Bart Starr .618

Len Dawson .616

Dan Marino .613

YA Tittle .596

Troy Aikman .570

Bobby Layne .568

Fran Tarkenton .531

George Blanda .514

Dan Fouts .506

Warren Moon .502

Joe Namath .496

Sonny Jurgenson .487

[The Gipper]

Now, my purpose in this post is to do this....insert other NON HOFers into their slots amongst the Hall of Famers:

 

Otto Graham .840

Darryl Lamonica .784

Tom Brady .773

Roger Staubach .746

Joe Montana .713

Peyton Manning .699

Jim McMahon .691

Bob Waterfield .685

Aaron Rodgers .680

Terry Bradshaw .677

Danny White .674

Frank Ryan .672

Ben Roethlisberger .671

Ken Stabler .661

Steve Young .657

John Unitas .645

Pat Haden .645

John Elway .643

Jack Kemp .633

Jim Kelly .631

Norm Van Brocklin .629

Earl Morrall. .626

Brett Favre .624

Charley Conerly .624

Joe Theisman .621

Bob Griese .619

Bart Starr .618

Len Dawson .616

Jeff Hostetler .614

Dan Marino .613

Donovan McNabb .612

Randall Cunningham .611

Mark Rypien .603

YA Tittle .596

Kurt Warner .578

Brad Johnson .578

Troy Aikman .570

Bobby Layne .568

Eli Manning .545

Fran Tarkenton .531

George Blanda .514

Trent Dilfer .513

Dan Fouts .506

Warren Moon .502

Jim Plunkett .500

Joe Namath .496

Sonny Jurgenson .487

So? Who should go from red to black on this list?

[Zombo]

 

Now, my purpose in this post is to do this....insert other NON HOFers into their slots amongst the Hall of Famers:

 

 

Otto Graham .840

Darryl Lamonica .784

Tom Brady .773

Roger Staubach .746

Joe Montana .713

Peyton Manning .699

Jim McMahon .691

Bob Waterfield .685

Aaron Rodgers .680

Terry Bradshaw .677

Danny White .674

Frank Ryan .672

Ben Roethlisberger .671

Ken Stabler .661

Steve Young .657

John Unitas .645

Pat Haden .645

John Elway .643

Jack Kemp .633

Jim Kelly .631

Norm Van Brocklin .629

Earl Morrall. .626

Brett Favre .624

Charley Conerly .624

Joe Theisman .621

Bob Griese .619

Bart Starr .618

Len Dawson .616

Jeff Hostetler .614

Dan Marino .613

Donovan McNabb .612

Randall Cunningham .611

Mark Rypien .603

YA Tittle .596

Kurt Warner .578

Brad Johnson .578

Troy Aikman .570

Bobby Layne .568

Eli Manning .545

Fran Tarkenton .531

George Blanda .514

Trent Dilfer .513

Dan Fouts .506

Warren Moon .502

Jim Plunkett .500

Joe Namath .496

Sonny Jurgenson .487

So? Who should go from red to black on this list?

Kurt Warner.

 

Z

[The Gipper]

Well, here is an argument for The Snake to be HOF:

 

Ken Stabler: played 15 years

Steve Young: played 15 years

 

Stabler: 96-49-1 regular season record. .661 win pct. 7-5 postseason record. Played in and won one SB

Efforts to win more thwarted by better team in 70s Steelers

Young: 94-49-0 regular season record. .657 win pct. 8-6 postseason record. Played in and won one SB

Efforts to win more thwarted by better team in 90s Cowboys.

 

Stabler: 2270/3793 for 27,938 yards. 59.8 completion pct

Young: 2667/4149 for 33124 yards. 64.3 completion pct. (in a much more pass happy offense)

 

Stabler: 194 TDs 5.1 TD pct.

Young: 232 TDs 5.6 TD pct.

 

Stabler: 7.4 ypa, 12.3 ypc, 151.8 ypg

Young: 8.0 ypa, 12.4 ypc, 196.0 ypg

 

Stabler: 75.3 rating

Young: 96.8 rating

 

Honestly: where is the big difference between them? The QB rating? That's about it. Everyone knows that the WCO played in by Young was a far more amenable offense to passer rating than the "Mad Bomber" offense that Stabler played in. Other than that these two QBs are pretty statistically even, yet Young is in and Stabler is not.

It could be argued that Stabler's stats may be more impressive given the era (bump and run) and offense he played in vs. that of Young (no touchy feely on the WRs.)

[Zombo]

I think what hurts Kenny is his interception numbers and the rapid decent of his career. He didn't become a starter until he was 28 and his last good year was when he was 34. Didn't take care of his body.

 

Some guys aren't Hall of Famers, but will always be legends.

 

Here are Steve Young's passer ratings from the years he was a starter: 101.8, 107.0, 101.5,112.8, 92.3,97.2, 104.7, 101.1

 

In only eight years as a starter he was the highest rated QB in the league six times. Made the Pro Bowl seven consecutive years, first team All-Pro 3 consectutive years and League MVP once.

 

Oh ... and he RAN for 4,239 yards and 43 TDs.

 

Best QB of his era ... and it was a good era with Favre & Aikman in their peak and Elway and Marino still getting it done.

 

Zombo

[Mudfly]

 

Oh ... and he RAN for 4,239 yards and 43 TDs.

 

Best QB of his era ... and it was a good era with Favre & Aikman in their peak and Elway and Marino still getting it done.

 

I agree...Youngs always on my short list of the greatest QB's I ever watched.......and as much as I liked Stabler, he doesn't even get close to Young on my all timers list....sorry Gip, but Id say Stabler was a great player, but not HOF......

[The Gipper]

I think what hurts Kenny is his interception numbers and the rapid decent of his career. He didn't become a starter until he was 28 and his last good year was when he was 34. Didn't take care of his body.

 

Some guys aren't Hall of Famers, but will always be legends.

 

Here are Steve Young's passer ratings from the years he was a starter: 101.8, 107.0, 101.5,112.8, 92.3,97.2, 104.7, 101.1

 

In only eight years as a starter he was the highest rated QB in the league six times. Made the Pro Bowl seven consecutive years, first team All-Pro 3 consectutive years and League MVP once.

 

Oh ... and he RAN for 4,239 yards and 43 TDs.

 

Best QB of his era ... and it was a good era with Favre & Aikman in their peak and Elway and Marino still getting it done.

 

Zombo

You think it is running that put Young in over Stabler? And Steve Young came to starting late as did Stabler because Young was behind Montana as Stabler was behind Lamonica. As for best QB of his era, who besides Bradshaw and Staubach could you put ahead of Stabler?

Stabler came to play with bad teams at the end of his career, The declining Oilers then the Saints. I don't know if he declined so much or was it the teams around him.

But no, he did not have Young's legs.

And the interceptions were a matter of the era. Bradshaw, Namath etc. all had "bad" int. numbers compared to these days.

[The Gipper]

I agree...Youngs always on my short list of the greatest QB's I ever watched.......and as much as I liked Stabler, he doesn't even get close to Young on my all timers list....sorry Gip, but Id say Stabler was a great player, but not HOF......

But, Young's passing numbers and Stablers aren't far off.....unless you to are give all that credence to his legs.

And look at the "winning"....Stabler even a scoche better.

And, in my view, he isn't even close on the "greatest" QBs of his own era. He is of the same era as Elway, Marino, Kelly et al.

If you are to say that Stabler was only 3rd/4th best of his era, the same has to be said of Young.

[Zombo]

You think it is running that put Young in over Stabler? And Steve Young came to starting late as did Stabler because Young was behind Montana as Stabler was behind Lamonica. As for best QB of his era, who besides Bradshaw and Staubach could you put ahead of Stabler?

Stabler came to play with bad teams at the end of his career, The declining Oilers then the Saints. I don't know if he declined so much or was it the teams around him.

But no, he did not have Young's legs.

And the interceptions were a matter of the era. Bradshaw, Namath etc. all had "bad" int. numbers compared to these days.

 

No, I didn't think it was the running that put him in over Stabler, that was an "oh by the way" ... I added that after I posted Young's passing accomplishments.Did you read that or just skip to the last part?

 

You must have done too many bong hits in the 70's if you don't remember Kenny Stabler's decline. Houston was a very good team when he got there. His knees were shot and he didn't take care of himself. Al Davis got rid of him at the right time.

 

Somehow you left off Bob Griese and Fran Tarkenton as QBs from the 70's that were better than Stabler.

 

From 1975-1980 Stabler threw 118 TDs to 141 INTs

 

Greise 78-69

Tark 76-67

Staubach 101-63

Bradshaw 99-82

 

Those guys all became much more efficient passers in the late 70s while Stabler became more careless.

 

Stabler led his league in passing just once, while Young led his 6 times

 

Young clearly the better passer.

 

But if you want to mention running ... Stabler ran for 93 yards in his career, Young did that in one play (or so it seemed ...)

 

https://youtu.be/LbPwwmEcws0

 

 

Zombo

[Zombo]

But, Young's passing numbers and Stablers aren't far off.....unless you to are give all that credence to his legs.

And look at the "winning"....Stabler even a scoche better.

And, in my view, he isn't even close on the "greatest" QBs of his own era. He is of the same era as Elway, Marino, Kelly et al.

If you are to say that Stabler was only 3rd/4th best of his era, the same has to be said of Young.

 

This article I would say is the generally accepted rankings of QBs of by decade:

 

Stabler 5th best of the 70s (Staubach, Bradshaw, Griese, Tarkenton)

Young #1 QB of the 90s (over Favre, Aikman, Marino, Elway, Kelly and Moon)

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs07/columns/story?columnist=chadiha_jeff&id=3199634

[The Gipper]

 

No, I didn't think it was the running that put him in over Stabler, that was an "oh by the way" ... I added that after I posted Young's passing accomplishments.Did you read that or just skip to the last part?

 

You must have done too many bong hits in the 70's if you don't remember Kenny Stabler's decline. Houston was a very good team when he got there. His knees were shot and he didn't take care of himself. Al Davis got rid of him at the right time.

 

Somehow you left off Bob Griese and Fran Tarkenton as QBs from the 70's that were better than Stabler.

 

From 1975-1980 Stabler threw 118 TDs to 141 INTs

 

Greise 78-69

Tark 76-67

Staubach 101-63

Bradshaw 99-82

 

Those guys all became much more efficient passers in the late 70s while Stabler became more careless.

 

Stabler led his league in passing just once, while Young led his 6 times

 

Young clearly the better passer.

 

But if you want to mention running ... Stabler ran for 93 yards in his career, Young did that in one play.

 

Zombo

Bottom line: Stabler had his teams in their scrapping for the championship as much or more as Young. Stabler's legs went out from under him, Young's brain went out from under him...at about the same age. Maybe it could be said that Young became just as reckless and careless as Stabler, from a personal protection point of view.

I don't see Young as necessarily a "better passer". He threw a lot lot more of the short crossing patterns that the WCO called for ..allowing him to have a better completion pct.....that Stabler's down field passing philosophy didn't utilize as much.

I will give you that Tarkenton was probably a better QB, but not necessarily Griese. Way different styles.

[The Gipper]

 

This article I would say is the generally accepted rankings of QBs of by decade:

 

Stabler 5th best of the 70s (Staubach, Bradshaw, Griese, Tarkenton)

Young #1 QB of the 90s (over Favre, Aikman, Marino, Elway, Kelly and Moon)

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs07/columns/story?columnist=chadiha_jeff&id=3199634

I don't know about "generally accepted". That seems to be one person's opinion.....I would NOT put Young over any of those guys except Moon.

[Zombo]

Bottom line: Stabler had his teams in their scrapping for the championship as much or more as Young. Stabler's legs went out from under him, Young's brain went out from under him...at about the same age. Maybe it could be said that Young became just as reckless and careless as Stabler, from a personal protection point of view.

I don't see Young as necessarily a "better passer". He threw a lot lot more of the short crossing patterns that the WCO called for ..allowing him to have a better completion pct.....that Stabler's down field passing philosophy didn't utilize as much.

I will give you that Tarkenton was probably a better QB, but not necessarily Griese. Way different styles.

 

I admire your defense of Stabler.

 

But I am truly stunned of your lack of appreciation of Steve Young.

 

Where were you in the 90's?

 

He is one of the greatest QBs I have ever seen.

 

If we're throwing out WCO QBs I guess we can throw Montana and Favre on that scrap heap too. All they did was throw darts and win.

 

Zombo

[Zombo]

I don't know about "generally accepted". That seems to be one person's opinion.....I would NOT put Young over any of those guys except Moon.

 

For just the 90's??

 

Young was the QB of the decade. I'm sorry you somehow missed it.

 

Zombo

[The Gipper]

Here we go....I will add this feature here......These are the most "Productive QBs" of each era broken down as follows: QBs drafted in each decade ranked by their PFR career Production average. I acknowledge certainly that this stat does not say who the "Best QBs" are, only most productive over their careers. And one thing it does not do is rank undrafted QB. So Kurt Warner and a few others may not show up here. But it is at least one thing to look at:

 

QBs drafted 1950-1959

1.John Unitas

2. Len Dawson

3. Sonny Jurgenson

4. John Brodie

5. Bart Starr

6. Frank Ryan

7. Jack Kemp

8. Earl Morrall

9. Babe Parilli

10. Milt Plum

11. Billy Wade

12. Cotton Davidson

13. Ed Brown

14. Rudy Bukich

15. Jim Ninowski

 

QBs drafted 1960-1969:

1. Fran Tarkenton

2. Roger Staubach

3. Bob Griese

4. John Hadl

5. Roman Gabriel

6. Ken Stabler

7. Joe Namath

8. Norm Snead

9. Craig Morton

10. Greg Landry

11. Charley Johnson

12. Darryl Lamonica

13. Billy Kilmer

14. Don Meredith

15. Bill Nelsen

 

QBs drafted 1970-1979:

1. Joe Montana

2. Dan Fouts

3. Ken Anderson

4. Terry Bradshaw

5. Phil Simms

6. Steve Grogan

7. Joe Theismann

8. Jim Plunkett

9. Danny White

10. Ron Jaworski

11. Bert Jones

12. Joe Ferguson

13. Steve DeBerg

14. Brian Sipe

15. Archie Manning

 

QBs drafted 1980-1989:

1. Dan Marino

2. John Elway

3. Steve Young

4. Randall Cunningham

5. Boomer Esiason

6. Jim Kelly

7. Rich Gannon

8. Troy Aikman

9. Vinny Testaverde

10. Jim Everett

11. Jim Harbaugh

12. Chris Chandler

13. Ken O'Brien

14. Neil Lomax

15. Steve Beurlein

16. Bernie Kosar

 

QBs drafted between 1990 and 1999:

1. Peyton Manning

2. Brett Favre

3. Donovan McNabb

4. Drew Bledsoe

5. Steve McNair

6. Mark Brunell

7. Trent Green

8. Daunte Culpepper

9. Matt Hasselback

10. Kerry Collins

11. Jake Plummer

12. Brad Johnson

13. Jeff Blake

14. Aaron Brooks

15. Jeff George

 

QBs drafted between 2000-2009:

1. Tom Brady

2. Drew Brees

3. Phillip Rivers

4. Aaron Rodgers

5. Ben Roethlisberger

6. Eli Manning

7. Michael Vick

8. Carson Palmer

9. Matt Ryan

10. Jay Cutler

11. Joe Flacco

12. Matt Schaub

13. David Garrard

14. Alex Smith

15. Marc Bulger

 

QBs drafted between 2010-2014 (10 listed):

1. Cam Newton

2. Russell Wilson

3. Andy Dalton

4. Andrew Luck

5. Colin Kaepernick

6. Robert Griffin III

7. Ryan Tannehill

8. Sam Bradford

9. Christian Ponder

10. Nick Foles

[The Gipper]

 

I admire your defense of Stabler.

 

But I am truly stunned of your lack of appreciation of Steve Young.

 

Where were you in the 90's?

 

He is one of the greatest QBs I have ever seen.

 

If we're throwing out WCO QBs I guess we can throw Montana and Favre on that scrap heap too. All they did was throw darts and win.

 

Zombo

I was there for every bit of what Steve Young did. He was a good QB....but no, I don't place him above Elway/Marino/Kelly or Favre.

 

And in comparison to Stabler, I guess I am simply looking at their records at winning things....and I say Stabler and Young are almost identical: Stabler was the starting QB for 7 playoff teams....same number as Young. Stabler won a SB, Young won one. Stabler had 4 other conference title game appearances, Young had 5.

Young's teams threw the ball a bit more, so he has a few more numbers.

Bottom line, looking at it historically, it was very close.

And in watching them live, Young did not wow me any more than Stabler at leading his team. Yes, his occasional runs were a bit more "wowing".

 

And then there was the "Cool factor". The Snake was just cooler than Young......and I gotta count that a bit.

[The Gipper]

 

For just the 90's??

 

Young was the QB of the decade. I'm sorry you somehow missed it.

 

Zombo

Maybe.....because I was seeing Kelly, Marino, Favre, Elway, Aikman doing it more and just as good or better than Young.

Aikman was battling Kelly for much of the first half of that decade for team supremacy.

Favre and Elway were battling each other for the last half of that decade.

Young got one year squeezed in there. Kind of as an afterthought, sorta.

[Mudfly]

 

Stabler 5th best of the 70s (Staubach, Bradshaw, Griese, Tarkenton)

Young #1 QB of the 90s (over Favre, Aikman, Marino, Elway, Kelly and Moon)

 

 

Yep, that ^^^^^^ sounds about right to me.....

 

It's completely subjective, but Id have Young as high as 5th or 6th on my GOAT list, whilst I see Stabler more like a top 50 type of player.....not sure where exactly he'd stand, but I counted 30 Id personally rank ahead of him before I stopped....

[Zombo]

Maybe.....because I was seeing Kelly, Marino, Favre, Elway, Aikman doing it more and just as good or better than Young.

Aikman was battling Kelly for much of the first half of that decade for team supremacy.

Favre and Elway were battling each other for the last half of that decade.

Young got one year squeezed in there. Kind of as an afterthought, sorta.

 

You seem to be substituting QB names for team names.

 

It's a team sport and Dan Marino was a better QB than Eli Manning or Jim Plunkett.

 

Elway got a couple titles when he was less of a QB than he was earlier in his career because he was on better teams.

 

Steve Young was the starter for eight years and led the league in passing six times and made 7 Pro Bowls. Retired with the highest passer rating in the history of the NFL. But you are saying he was not the best QB of his era because his team only won one SB.

 

Well, Favre only one 1, Kelly won none, Marino won none, If John Elway retires two years earlier he gets none ... Troy Aikman must be your best QB of the era since he won those 3 rings all by himself.

 

Zombo

[Mudfly]

you know what they say....QB's get too much credit when they win and too much blame when they lose.....

 

Never been a fan of how QB's(or other players, ftm) get propped up so high just because they landed on great teams. In my eye's, lots of the greatest woulda been closer to average on lesser or bad teams......

 

True greatness usually shines through and Marino is the perfect example. No SB and no doubt he's one of the best. Conversely, take Bradshaws super bowls away and give him Marino's record and is he still one of the best or in the HOF?......(no way).....

[Tour2ma]

Remember when SF was ridiculed for trading a 2nd and 4th to the Bucs for a USFL/NFL bust? All of Young's stats are diluted by 19 awful starts in Tampa.

 

 

For what it's worth PFF's Weighted Career AV for Young is 135 (15th overall since 1950).

 

Stabler's is 94 (180th overall since 1950)... not bad, but not Young.

[The Gipper]

 

You seem to be substituting QB names for team names.

 

It's a team sport and Dan Marino was a better QB than Eli Manning or Jim Plunkett.

 

Elway got a couple titles when he was less of a QB than he was earlier in his career because he was on better teams.

 

Steve Young was the starter for eight years and led the league in passing six times and made 7 Pro Bowls. Retired with the highest passer rating in the history of the NFL. But you are saying he was not the best QB of his era because his team only won one SB.

 

Well, Favre only one 1, Kelly won none, Marino won none, If John Elway retires two years earlier he gets none ... Troy Aikman must be your best QB of the era since he won those 3 rings all by himself.

 

Zombo

I know what I am saying....I am saying that I think Elway, Favre, Marino, Kelly, Aikman were better QBs.

And certainly you know that I can count titles.....and yet I put two guys who never won one over your boy.

As for being the highest rated passer in history....the guy that was chasing his tail was Jeff Garcia.

There wasn't much of a dropoff after Garcia replaced Young at QB for the 49ers.

Do you want to claim that Jeff Garcia was better than those other guys?

I see Young as a system QB primarily. He fit that system well....but that did not give him primacy over other, better contemporary QBs.

[The Gipper]

Remember when SF was ridiculed for trading a 2nd and 4th to the Bucs for a USFL/NFL bust? All of Young's stats are diluted by 19 awful starts in Tampa.

 

 

For what it's worth PFF's Weighted Career AV for Young is 135 (15th overall since 1950).

 

Stabler's is 94 (180th overall since 1950)... not bad, but not Young.

But, if I had to choose a QB to play for me, I may likely take the Snake over Young....and feel good about it....statistics be damned.

It is close enough in my view to make me consider it anyway. Young may get the nod.....but not until after long contemplation.

[Zombo]

I know what I am saying....I am saying that I think Elway, Favre, Marino, Kelly, Aikman were better QBs.

And certainly you know that I can count titles.....and yet I put two guys who never won one over your boy.

As for being the highest rated passer in history....the guy that was chasing his tail was Jeff Garcia.

There wasn't much of a dropoff after Garcia replaced Young at QB for the 49ers.

Do you want to claim that Jeff Garcia was better than those other guys?

I see Young as a system QB primarily. He fit that system well....but that did not give him primacy over other, better contemporary QBs.

System QB?

 

In the NFL?

 

He had better stats than Joe Montana in the same system, was Joe a system QB too?

 

Young didn't win all those titles but he had Seifert and Mooch, while Joe had a HOF coach and best D in the league.

 

Young had a great arm and was off the charts in mobility, accuracy and intelligence ... he would have done great in any system in any era.

 

Z

[The Gipper]

Young vs. Boomer Esiason:

 

Record: 94-49 vs. 80-93

Comps/Att: 2667/4149 vs. 2969/5202

Comp. %: 64.3 vs. 57.8

Yards: 33,124 vs. 37920

TDs: 232 vs. 247

TD%: 5.6% vs. 4.7 %

Ints: 107 vs. 184

Int.%: 2.6% vs. 3.5%

YPA: 8.0 vs. 7.3

YPC: 12.4 vs. 12.8

YPG: 196 vs. 202

Rating: 96.8 vs. 81.1

4th Qtr. comebacks 14 vs. 19

Game winning drive: 17 vs. 26

 

Statisically Boomer isn't far off.....except in winning record.....which as was pointed out, can be a team thing.

Young won his only SB appearance, Boomer lost his fairly miraculously to Young predecessor.

[The Gipper]

System QB?

 

In the NFL?

 

He had better stats than Joe Montana in the same system, was Joe a system QB too?

 

Young didn't win all those titles but he had Seifert and Mooch, while Joe had a HOF coach and best D in the league.

 

Young had a great arm and was off the charts in mobility, accuracy and intelligence ... he would have done great in any system in any era.

 

Z

Maybe all of what you say is true....that yes, he and Joe were system QBs. (though Joe did well without the 49ers, Young didn't.)

Young would have done well perhaps as you say.

But he still would not have been a better QB than Montana/Favre/Marino/Elway/Kelly.

I am not saying Young was a schlub...just that in my view he was far from the best of his era.

[The Gipper]

How about these stats for comparison: Young vs. Kelly in the USFL!:

 

Starts: Young: 33 Kelly 36 Played same years 84/85

Atts/comp: Young 316/560 Kelly 730/1154

Comp %: Young 56.4 Kelly 63.3

Yards: Young 4102 Kelly 9842

TDs: Young: 16 Kelly 83

TD%: Young: 2.9 Kelly 7.2

Ints: Young 22 Kelly 45

Int.%: Young 3.9 Kelly 3.9

YPG: Young 113.9 Kelly 273.0

[Mudfly]

we all have our opinions, but the measurables all point to Young being the best of those mentioned...how can you deflect the highest passer rating ever???

 

Its not everything, but the difference between a 96.8 passer rating and a 75 or 81 is huge....and it accounts for all those numbers and stats you keep posting....

 

And Id also point out that Young is a first ballot hall of fame selection and the other 2(Esiason and Stabler) have been waiting decades....so their contemporaries and those that select the players for the HOF seem to agree...

[Zombo]

Young vs. Boomer Esiason:

 

Record: 94-49 vs. 80-93

Comps/Att: 2667/4149 vs. 2969/5202

Comp. %: 64.3 vs. 57.8

Yards: 33,124 vs. 37920

TDs: 232 vs. 247

TD%: 5.6% vs. 4.7 %

Ints: 107 vs. 184

Int.%: 2.6% vs. 3.5%

YPA: 8.0 vs. 7.3

YPC: 12.4 vs. 12.8

YPG: 196 vs. 202

Rating: 96.8 vs. 81.1

4th Qtr. comebacks 14 vs. 19

Game winning drive: 17 vs. 26

 

Statisically Boomer isn't far off.....except in winning record.....which as was pointed out, can be a team thing.

Young won his only SB appearance, Boomer lost his fairly miraculously to Young predecessor.

It's not even close. Killed him in accuracy, TD%, Int%, higher ypa and higher rating .... and same "system".

 

Plus the running...

Plus the winning ...

plus the Championship ...

 

Just stop.

 

You're not a Steve Young fan. Got it. But no need to make a fool out of yourself

 

Z

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But, if I had to choose a QB to play for me, I may likely take the Snake over Young....and feel good about it....statistics be damned.

It is close enough in my view to make me consider it anyway. Young may get the nod.....but not until after long contemplation.

Long? Took me a few milliseconds...

 

Here's the thing, Gip... you think that stats like completion percentages of 64 and 57% are "close" when they are very far apart. The scale is linear, but the difficulty is exponential. Each incremental percentage point in that 7-point differential is harder than the one that preceded it.

 

As for your system notes, take a look at this YPC comparison.

Young with SF: 12.5

Garcia w/ SF : 11.3

Stabler w/OAK: 12.8