OldBrownsFan Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 I agree with the vision and direction Pettine and Farmer are taking the Browns. This club is going to be solid with talented quality players on both offense and defense. The Browns like Pettine states are building the team right and I agree with his assessment on McClown: "We just look back to when he was in Chicago, when he had a pretty good supporting cast around him, and he was able to be more than functional. He had a very successful year," Pettine said on 92.3 The Fan, via the Beacon Journal. "When you build the team right, it minimizes the importance of the quarterback." I like how the Browns are keeping a number of options in place going forward. Manziel may yet be a good NFL quarterback and Connor Shaw shows promise as well. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000491060/article/browns-pettine-says-mccown-is-favorite-to-start-at-qb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 No one should be surprised by this. No one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 Absolutely. Did anyone really think they'd just name JFF starter immediately? No. It's McCown until Manziel (or Shaw) shows himself to be the better QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 Absolutely. Did anyone really think they'd just name JFF starter immediately? No. It's McCown until Manziel (or Shaw) shows himself to be the better QB. Agreed....100% Guaranteed JFF's gonna have to work(extra hard) to win Pettines trust and get the starters job here.....really really hard......and it will take time(especially the trust part).....plus, McGown will also have to be bad. Because if he's good, JFF will never see the field..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 Of course by August it will be JFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted May 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 I am not surprised McCown is the favorite to start but I was surprised when they first signed McCown with his horrible season last year with Tampa. It wasn't until I saw McCown's stats the year before with the Bears, his great attitude and locker room presence as well as his willingness to mentor Manziel I saw how much he was bringing to the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 I fully expect that this year both get an equal look with the 1's during preseason games instead of how they did it last year with JF always with the 2's. Of course they way he earns it is in preparation between now and then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 I saw McCown's stats the year before with the Bears, his great attitude and locker room presence as well as his willingness to mentor Manziel I saw how much he was bringing to the table. Yep....Pettine mentions the Bears too.....so theyre hoping to recreate that same comfort zone for him..... The attitude and willingness to mentor is really important too.....and I think it's a big part of the reason they didnt try to sign Hoyer. McCown is clearly the better guy to have if you're trying to groom a rookie QB..........Think Gary Danielson..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 Absolutely. Did anyone really think they'd just name JFF starter immediately? No. It's McCown until Manziel (or Shaw) shows himself to be the better QB. Or until next year when perhaps they try to go for the cherry on top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 I fully expect that this year both get an equal look with the 1's during preseason games instead of how they did it last year with JF always with the 2's. Of course they way he earns it is in preparation between now and then. And I fully expect looks with the 1's will not be "equal". They will be earned in the film room and practice... just as they were last year minus the one gift, Pre-season start the clear #2 was given. If we learned nothing else last year, it should have been that: this competition approach during the week is real; and Pet and Company know how to evaluate weekly performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 I fully expect that this year both get an equal look with the 1's during preseason games instead of how they did it last year with JF always with the 2's. Of course they way he earns it is in preparation between now and then. And I fully expect looks with the 1's will not be "equal". Im with the "not equal" vote.....(think he's already lost that chance) Last year, because of the ""quarterback competition"", Hoyer did not get full reps with the #1's and, in the end, Coach spoke of that as being a big negative in the pre-season preparation.....soooo.... I honestly dont see them having that same open competition this year...yes, of course JFF can earn it(and will have too)....but I dont think he'll get #1 reps or anywhere near 1/2 of them.....until he's good and has shown some consistency......and he'll have to do it with the #2's, before he gets to be with the 1's.......and, by then, it'll be pre-season and he'll still be #2, playing with the 2's... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 And I fully expect looks with the 1's will not be "equal". They will be earned in the film room and practice... just as they were last year minus the one gift, Pre-season start the clear #2 was given. If we learned nothing else last year, it should have been that: this competition approach during the week is real; and Pet and Company know how to evaluate weekly performance. Don't disagree at all with emphasis on "earns it" in my original statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 The QBs better not get equal reps with the 1s. If Pet thinks his best chance to win is with McCown, then he needs to get the lion's share of the reps. I don't see Pet making the same mistake two years in a row with his QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 manziel did nothing but waste a season last year, so really this is his first year. the kid will surprise me if he can beat out mccown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted May 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 For me it comes down to whether you believe Pettine and Farmer know what they are doing in building the Browns team or not. I believe they know exactly what they are doing and I am ecstatic to have both of these guys. If McCown wins the starting QB there is every reason to believe he can duplicate what he did in Chicago. If you read the comments though a whole lot of people aren't buying it. For many they see the "same old Browns" . I don't see the same old Browns but a new owner, GM and HC sold out to bringing winning football to Cleveland. There is a psychological aspect to football and I see Pettine addressing that as well. After many losing seasons a team can take on a losing mentality and that has to go. Pettine has got the broom and sweeping it out. I like his comments on "Playing Like a Brown": Cleveland Browns Head Coach Mike Pettine has clear vision to build team into winners Coach Mike Pettine lays out the definition of what it means to “Play Like a Brown.” You’ve probably heard the phrase Play like a Brown from Cleveland Browns head coach Mike Pettine. And let me notify you up front: it’s not some bogus, coach-speak, cliché motto plastered on the walls in Berea. It’s a well thought out master plan I had the liberty of exploring with Pettine during a sit-down conversation in his office. The first part of Play Like a Brown has virtually nothing to with football. It’s a shift in mentality. “People from the outside want to characterize us as the same old Browns, and let them do so,” said Pettine. “I tell our team, ‘We are breaking off the rearview mirror.’ Acknowledge the history is there, but that’s not us.” “We want to get guys that hate to lose so much that it almost makes them borderline physically ill,” Pettine said, half-seriously. Part two of Play Like a Brown, still is not about how much weight a player can lift, or how fast he can run the 40-yard dash. It’s about showing relentless mental toughness on a day-in and day-out approach. The new head coach in Cleveland recognizes that there is noticeable excitement inside the walls of the franchise. But it’s April. Every NFL team has a clean slate. Pettine experienced a similar refrain to “same-old-Browns” from New York media pundits, who talked about the “same old Jets” when he was hired as Rex Ryan’s defensive coordinator in 2009. But he and Ryan advanced to back-to-back AFC title games by becoming unrelenting. The Jets developed into attackers who prided themselves on burying opponents with the most miniscule details. A tipped pass by a defensive lineman, a bone-crushing block on special teams, a linebacker sniffing out a trick play at the line of scrimmage: Preparing and executing for these situations will encompass what Play Like a Brown is all about. The final phase of Play Like a Brown is the hardest part: figuring out who wants to actually play like a Brown. “I told our players, ‘There are guys in this room that are good enough to play in the NFL. They just might not be a fit for us,’” Pettine said. “That to me is critical. You have guys that are talented enough but just don’t fit the way our program is going.” General Manager Ray Farmer helped address the situation to a ‘T,’ and according to Pettine the organization, “is thrilled with our batting average in free agency.” http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/article-1/Cleveland-Browns-Head-Coach-Mike-Pettine-has-clear-vision-to-build-team-into-winners/bbcd7b06-d842-4431-8ea9-b84cf2d1fe3e Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 Don't disagree at all with emphasis on "earns it" in my original statement. Well... OK then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 For me it comes down to whether you believe Pettine and Farmer know what they are doing in building the Browns team or not. I believe they know exactly what they are doing and I am ecstatic to have both of these guys. If McCown wins the starting QB there is every reason to believe he can duplicate what he did in Chicago. This is the main point I'd like to address for all those who read. I don't believe McCown can and will duplicate what he did in Chicago. 13-1 TD:INT. First off, he had 2 pro bowl receivers, a probowl RB and a good TE. Secondly, he was asked to throw quite a bit because of Chicago's porous defense. If our dline can take that next step foward and be in the upper half of the league against the run while maintaining similar numbers for opponent passer ratings - I do believe McCown is capable of duplicating what Hoyer gave us the first 6 weeks of this past season. Which, in principle - is all we should need to be successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted May 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 This is the main point I'd like to address for all those who read. I don't believe McCown can and will duplicate what he did in Chicago. 13-1 TD:INT. First off, he had 2 pro bowl receivers, a probowl RB and a good TE. Secondly, he was asked to throw quite a bit because of Chicago's porous defense. If our dline can take that next step foward and be in the upper half of the league against the run while maintaining similar numbers for opponent passer ratings - I do believe McCown is capable of duplicating what Hoyer gave us the first 6 weeks of this past season. Which, in principle - is all we should need to be successful. So we are in agreement McCown can be successful. There are many who don't think he can be successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 I expect McCown to start. He clearly has the most experience of all of the QB's on our roster. JFF will have to be downright stunning to win the job IMHOP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 Just what we need, a 35 year old QB who sucked last year as starter. I'm excited. JFF all the way. If not, then draft a QB high next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opal312 Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 Leadership on defense, special teams and offense will be the real difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 No Noise from JF is very positive to me at this point. What's even better I believe he knows he disappointed himself and organization last season. Does it make him a better QB in this League, No but he is Giving Himself A Chance to Prove Himself.. That being said Josh McCown Has got to show me He is a better Talent at the QB position than Brian Hoyer, Accuracy, On Time and The Gun or it could be a weekly starter distraction We don't need.. Just get It right.. Pettine words "The Guy That Gives This Team The Best Chance To Win Sunday" Label It and build Trust with It.. Farmer and Haslem stay out of it period or do your job and find a better Option... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 Sorry, but lack of a negative is a piss-poor positive... This is the main point I'd like to address for all those who read. I don't believe McCown can and will duplicate what he did in Chicago. 13-1 TD:INT. So only a 7:2 ratio... works for me... Agree with the essence of the assessment. First, do no harm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 To be fair, Pettine said he expected that McCown would be #1 heading in to camp. Heading in to camp, and exiting camp are two different deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 The QBs better not get equal reps with the 1s. If Pet thinks his best chance to win is with McCown, then he needs to get the lion's share of the reps. I don't see Pet making the same mistake two years in a row with his QBs. What mistake? If I was paying attention it seems the first part of the season went very well until we lost Mack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 What mistake? If I was paying attention it seems the first part of the season went very well until we lost Mack. He called too much attention to the QB spot with his 'open competition'. It was all that was discussed last year, and that creeps into the locker room as well. You don't hear that from the good teams in the league, and he needs to just stop talking about it, and if that means not answering the media's questions, then so be it. So far, I like what he's doing, and Johnny just needs to disappear until McCown proves he can't do it, and Johnny is needed.... Hopefully that day will never come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opal312 Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 I have a question. Will it be an open competition for all the quarterbacks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 So far, I like what he's doing, and Johnny just needs to disappear until McCown proves he can't do it, and Johnny is needed.... Hopefully that day will never come. Actually my real hope is that the real JF of 2012-13 steps up and shows exactly why they thought he was a good 1st round choice. So far he has been a shadow of that player with the sole exception of the 1 DT drive. I've said fairly early on that someone needed to kick his ass into rehab. so they could get his full attention about self-destructive addiction whether it's substances or limelight or both. I'm glad to see he sent his own ass there. Gives him a far better chance if he is the one who saw the light and not others. Now he can funnel that addictive behavior into learning the intricacies of QB'ing in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 Actually my real hope is that the real JF of 2012-13 steps up and shows exactly why they thought he was a good 1st round choice. So far he has been a shadow of that player with the sole exception of the 1 DT drive. I've said fairly early on that someone needed to kick his ass into rehab. so they could get his full attention about self-destructive addiction whether it's substances or limelight or both. I'm glad to see he sent his own ass there. Gives him a far better chance if he is the one who saw the light and not others. Now he can funnel that addictive behavior into learning the intricacies of QB'ing in the NFL. Agree 100 percent. I hope he shows us what made him so good in college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 If you dare to dream that Johnny can do what he did in college, this team becomes scarily good. But, that's a bit of a pipe dream right now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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