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*Trump was right to call out hatred and bigotry on all sides....our liberal media plays up to the hilt any extremists on the right but are not doing the same with the extremists on the left. I was glad to see Trump specifically call out the hate groups like the KKK and white nationalists but the extremists on the left should not be getting a free pass either. Credit to the liberal Atlantic here for bringing this up and acknowledging what we are all seeing with violent anti free speech left wing extremists who will not tolerate speech they don't like.

 

The Rise of the Violent Left

Antifa’s activists say they’re battling burgeoning authoritarianism on the American right. Are they fueling it instead?

 

Since 1907, Portland, Oregon, has hosted an annual Rose Festival. Since 2007, the festival had included a parade down 82nd Avenue. Since 2013, the Republican Party of Multnomah County, which includes Portland, had taken part. This April, all of that changed.

 

In the days leading up to the planned parade, a group called the Direct Action Alliance declared, “Fascists plan to march through the streets,” and warned, “Nazis will not march through Portland unopposed.” The alliance said it didn’t object to the Multnomah GOP itself, but to “fascists” who planned to infiltrate its ranks. Yet it also denounced marchers with “Trump flags” and “red maga hats” who could “normalize support for an orange man who bragged about sexually harassing women and who is waging a war of hate, racism and prejudice.” A second group, Oregon Students Empowered, created a Facebook page called “Shut down fascism! No nazis in Portland!”Next, the parade’s organizers received an anonymous email warning that if “Trump supporters” and others who promote “hateful rhetoric” marched, “we will have two hundred or more people rush into the parade … and drag and push those people out.” When Portland police said they lacked the resources to provide adequate security, the organizers canceled the parade. It was a sign of things to come.

 

Antifa’s violent tactics have elicited substantial support from the mainstream left.

 

Revulsion, fear, and rage are understandable. But one thing is clear. The people preventing Republicans from safely assembling on the streets of Portland may consider themselves fierce opponents of the authoritarianism growing on the American right. In truth, however, they are its unlikeliest allies.

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/09/the-rise-of-the-violent-left/534192/?utm_source=twb

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Is it a double standard to complain about liberal double standards while doing exactly what you're calling them out for?

 

"The liberal media refuses to place any blame on liberals" - says conservative media that's pushing blame from conservatives towards liberals

 

 

 

Both sides are far from perfect, but come on

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Is it a double standard to complain about liberal double standards while doing exactly what you're calling them out for?

 

"The liberal media refuses to place any blame on liberals" - says conservative media that's pushing blame from conservatives towards liberals

 

 

 

Both sides are far from perfect, but come on

 

I gave credit to the left leaning Atlantic for acknowledging the problem of the violent left and even the Atlantic states there is too much support from the mainstream left for the violent left wing extremists. Both sides with their bats and clubs were wrong in Virginia but I think the side that supported Nazi's was the worst of the two. Still the answer to the nazi supporters was not trying to beat them down as free speech means speech is protected that we find offensive but the real answer is more speech. Those who are against what the nazi sympathizers stand for are free to organize their own rallies against them. That is what I would like to see instead of meeting hate thuggery on the right with hate thuggery on the left.

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Is it a double standard to complain about liberal double standards while doing exactly what you're calling them out for?

 

"The liberal media refuses to place any blame on liberals" - says conservative media that's pushing blame from conservatives towards liberals

 

 

 

Both sides are far from perfect, but come on

NBC CBS ABC the New York Times The Washington Post and most other major newspapers really should not be the liberal press. But they are. No problem with MSNBC slate or salon.

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California didn't have gun laws until the Black Panthers silently marched through the streets with M-16's on their shoulders.. and I'm pretty sure nobody is actually stupid enough to think the black panthers are conservative.

 

 

To the OP's point: KKK and white nationalists and Christian militia use violence to intimidate. When other groups decide they won't take it any more, it's time for the conservative instigators to stop being snowflakes and accept that they don't have a monopoly on violence.

 

 

The "classic" definition is that conservatives think they get to threaten as any people as they want but liberals just can't ever fight back. News flash: It's not OK for conservatives to do it - period. And frankly, conservatives need to learn what it feels like when they can't bully and physically intimidate people. You know, when they have to actually sell their ideas.

 

 

 

Note that none of the media organizations are "left" in any way.. they're corporate, which is orthogonal to any left-right orientation. If you want a "left" media organization, the largest is The Young Turks.

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California didn't have gun laws until the Black Panthers silently marched through the streets with M-16's on their shoulders.. and I'm pretty sure nobody is actually stupid enough to think the black panthers are conservative.

 

 

To the OP's point: KKK and white nationalists and Christian militia use violence to intimidate. When other groups decide they won't take it any more, it's time for the conservative instigators to stop being snowflakes and accept that they don't have a monopoly on violence.

 

 

The "classic" definition is that conservatives think they get to threaten as any people as they want but liberals just can't ever fight back. News flash: It's not OK for conservatives to do it - period. And frankly, conservatives need to learn what it feels like when they can't bully and physically intimidate people. You know, when they have to actually sell their ideas.

 

 

[Note that none of the media organizations are "left" in any way.. they're corporate, which is orthogonal to any left-right orientation]

I feel sorry for your mother.

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California didn't have gun laws until the Black Panthers silently marched through the streets with M-16's on their shoulders.. and I'm pretty sure nobody is actually stupid enough to think the black panthers are conservative.

 

 

To the OP's point: KKK and white nationalists and Christian militia use violence to intimidate. When other groups decide they won't take it any more, it's time for the conservative instigators to stop being snowflakes and accept that they don't have a monopoly on violence.

 

 

The "classic" definition is that conservatives think they get to threaten as any people as they want but liberals just can't ever fight back. News flash: It's not OK for conservatives to do it - period. And frankly, conservatives need to learn what it feels like when they can't bully and physically intimidate people. You know, when they have to actually sell their ideas.

 

 

[Note that none of the media organizations are "left" in any way.. they're corporate, which is orthogonal to any left-right orientation]

 

You are missing the point. Most mainstream conservatives condemn right wing extremists groups like the KKK or neo nazis and white supremacists while the mainstream left is not condemning the leftist extremists. I quoted from a liberal source the Atlantic who stated that extremists on the left have gotten substantial support from the mainstream left.

 

And conservatives must be selling their ideas pretty well these days as republicans control the presidency, the House and Senate as well as most governorship's and state legislatures. These are battles they won at the ballot box.

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California didn't have gun laws until the Black Panthers silently marched through the streets with M-16's on their shoulders.. and I'm pretty sure nobody is actually stupid enough to think the black panthers are conservative.

 

 

To the OP's point: KKK and white nationalists and Christian militia use violence to intimidate. When other groups decide they won't take it any more, it's time for the conservative instigators to stop being snowflakes and accept that they don't have a monopoly on violence.

 

 

The "classic" definition is that conservatives think they get to threaten as any people as they want but liberals just can't ever fight back. News flash: It's not OK for conservatives to do it - period. And frankly, conservatives need to learn what it feels like when they can't bully and physically intimidate people. You know, when they have to actually sell their ideas.

 

 

 

Note that none of the media organizations are "left" in any way.. they're corporate, which is orthogonal to any left-right orientation. If you want a "left" media organization, the largest is The Young Turks.

That's a pretty idiotic statement. They sell the left-wing agenda to morons for profit. You didn't get that? Like Hitler like Stalin like Mussolini like Chairman Mao like just about every fucking dictator in the world sells the masses on left-wing ideals. The bosses don't eat the same food or live in the same dumps as the proletariat they just preached that shit to the idiots.

 

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The bosses don't eat the same food or live in the same dumps as the proletariat they just preached that shit to the idiots.

 

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LOL! Like the Trump towers apartment of the Donald you mean? Something about idiots that get preached to.

 

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Republicans aren't really socialists. We're talking the John Kerry the Elizabeth Warren the Teddy Kennedy the Joseph Stalin type of politician. Socialism sells.

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You are missing the point. Most mainstream conservatives condemn right wing extremists groups like the KKK or neo nazis and white supremacists while the mainstream left is not condemning the leftist extremists. I quoted from a liberal source the Atlantic who stated that extremists on the left have gotten substantial support from the mainstream left.

 

And conservatives must be selling their ideas pretty well these days as republicans control the presidency, the House and Senate as well as most governorship's and state legislatures. These are battles they won at the ballot box.

I believe you think the liberal media is doing what the conservative media tells you it's doing...

 

. Just a hunch

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That's a pretty idiotic statement. They sell the left-wing agenda to morons for profit. You didn't get that? Like Hitler like Stalin like Mussolini like Chairman Mao like just about every fucking dictator in the world sells the masses on left-wing ideals. The bosses don't eat the same food or live in the same dumps as the proletariat they just preached that shit to the idiots.

 

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Just like the right wing agenda is sold to morons as well

 

Anyone so blindly in agreement with either side had an issue

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Most mainstream conservatives condemn right wing extremists groups

 

No, they actually don't. And that's the point -- YOU don't get it.

 

Link is to an article in American Conservative.

"If there are so many of us who are not racist who honestly honor Southern culture and heritage so much, why wasn’t there a giant protest group in Charlottesville, pushing away the Nazis while chanting “heritage, not hate”? Why did you leave the opposition to the Left?"

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No, they actually don't. And that's the point -- YOU don't get it.

 

Link is to an article in American Conservative.

"If there are so many of us who are not racist who honestly honor Southern culture and heritage so much, why wasn’t there a giant protest group in Charlottesville, pushing away the Nazis while chanting “heritage, not hate”? Why did you leave the opposition to the Left?"

 

I can give you a whole list of republicans including Trump who have condemned the KKK and neo nazis, give me the list of democrats who have condemned the violence of the communist antifa's on the left. That is fine though because the silver lining is as long as the democrats don't distance themselves from these anarchist communists they will continue to lose elections.

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CNN’s Don Lemon Refuses to Condemn Antifa Commies [VIDEO]

 

CNN’s Don Lemon went on an angry rant against President Donald Trump on Tuesday, following the president’s combative press conference in which he pointed out that there were two — not just one — violent groups in Charlottesville, Virginia over the weekend.

 

Leftists are losing their minds because the president pointed out that the violent Antifa Commies crashed the racist White Supremacist rally in Charlottesville and came armed for physical violence and therefore played a role in the anarchy and mayhem that took place, including the tragic loss of life and multiple injuries.

 

But much in the same way that you absolutely could not criticize Obama the past eight years without being labeled as a racist, you can also not criticize the militant arm of the Democrat Party — Antifa — without being smeared in the same fashion, keeping in mind that Antifa goons have been committing acts of violence and destruction across numerous American cities.

 

In fact, Don Lemon, a progressive leftist in his own right, portrayed an image of the violent, anti-American, anti-free speech Antifa Commies as noble warriors in the battle to stop fascism. Both groups are evil — but not to Don Lemon, who was extremely butthurt that Trump vilified both organizations.

 

Lemon did admit that perhaps some of their tactics “weren’t exactly right,” the understatement of the century.

 

Uh, because they’re Commies, Don. It’s like Stalin fighting Hitler. You can’t condemn Communism because of you and way too many in the Democrat Party — the “progressives” — are communists at worse, or sympathetic to them at the very best.

 

The great thing about being a constitutional conservative is that you can condemn both ideologies as evil. But for Don Lemon and his lefty friends in the media, only one can be condemned. Why is that?

 

http://thepolitistick.com/cnns-don-lemon-portrays-antifa-commies-noble-fight-fascism-video/

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I find it interesting that the response by a good portion of this board after far right white supremacists rally and one kills a protestor is to blame the left as much as possible.

And I find it interesting that many of you on this board can't find it within yourselves to condemn BLM even after police officers are cut down. And that President Obama invited them to the White House and Hillary had them on stage during her campaign. Well maybe I don't find it interesting or surprising. Just par for the course with some of you.

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I find it interesting that you take this approach. You not only insist that everyone here both associate neo-nazi groups with themselves (no) and condemn them (which as far as I know everyone has) but you also refuse to do the same for masked bandits and anarchists on the left only ever offering a lukewarm and insencire "yeah that was dumb" when some leftist kills five police officers or burns down a neighborhood, or attacks a bunch of congressmen playing baseball.

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Oh yeah, what's that count?

Well in this particular thread obf Cysko and Die Hard one each. Two for me, four for you.

 

PS I think you earned the label sympathizer when somebody would post films and photos of men women and children tortured raped and burned to death and you responded with a ho ho ho scary brown people.

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