PoeticG Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 We've all heard about Johnny Football, Bridgewater and Bortles. They are the supposed top 3 QBs coming out this up coming draft, right? Wrong. By far, the most polished, the best accurate, the strongest arm comes by way of Fresno States Derek Carr. http://youtu.be/y5wr82ZRUjc In the above video you can watch him deliver nearly every type of pass you can think of. His passes have good velocity and the placement is nearly perfect. On top of that you can see him make great throws from different positions. On one play he chucks it out while being tackled and the ball ends up in the perfect spot, in the Endzone where only the wide receiver can catch it. Another one, he double pumps it and heaves it 60 yards down field with the flick of a wrist. He has the pocket presence of a franchise QB. He's not just a QB, he's a commander on the field. He demands attention and respect from the other 10 guys and they give it to him because he deserves it. They see him put in the work and know that he's a guy that is worthy to follow. He can run well for a QB. He's even somewhat elusive. He's a larger guy at 6'3 but He's able to escape the rush and make plays with his feet as well. He's a competitor and a student of the game, always trying to get better. His detractors will say he threw for 5083 yard, 50 TDs to just 8 Ints. by way of screen passes and a favorable offense. Well, yes, he can throw the screen pass extremely well, that's probably why they do it. That, and the fact that defenses have to respect his very accurate deep ball- so naturally they play off quite a bit allowing the screen room to work effectively. But, in the video above you will see plenty of down the field throws. His maturity also is something that puts him above the front runners at the QB spot. As you'll see in the video below, he's humble and says that he's had amazing wide receivers to work with. Where Mr. Football is all about ME, Carr is all about WE. The very best thing Cleveland could do is draft Derek Carr and don't look back. Chance are, should it all play out well, and Carr's stock not skyrocket to much during the up coming combine, he'll be there for the taking at #4 overall. Cleveland should select Carr and leave nothing to chance. The Vikings would love for him to be there when they get on the clock... we shouldn't give them the chance. Take Derek Carr and add another franchise piece with the 26th pick and Cleveland will turn their fortunes around very swiftly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 STFU dumb ass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 Not a big Carr fan, but he could be a good developmental guy. He does struggle under pressure, and his accuracy waivers some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcam222 Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 Yea Carr scares me to. I see where you are coming from POG but I am afraid he has the potential to be Weeden 2.0 as well. The knock on Weeden by a lot of scouts was his inability to handle a muddy pocket. Seems to be the same knock on Carr and that scares the hell out of me as a pick at #4 or even #26. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 Watch Derek Carr vs. USC in the bowl Game. Totally exposed and looked terrible. Put up big numbers against bad teams. Pass. He can't handle pressure for shit. isn't that the manziel reel? or the troy smith reel? or the terrelle pryor reel? wow. someone is getting paid to edit this shit. i should send them my biz card cuz i'd make them all look better than that shit. maybe throw a blonde in a bikini in da hot tub puffin on a blunt while we all sandal dance to some bob marley tune.......yeah, i can see it now. get a couple of little hookers like walterwhite and jeffinwv and we'd have some booty butt dancin. or as they like to call it twjerkin it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 I'd be fine with Carr. It's really not enough reason to hate a player just because poetic G likes him. If that's all it took you might as well pull for the kid just to piss off WalterWhite. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopDawg31 Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 Carr will be there when we pick in the 30's. Absolutely no need to take him at 4. I would be happy if we took Watkins, Tre Mason then Carr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 Carr looked like a monster against chumps. USC was not that amazing this year and Carr looked awful against them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 He is 4th in a 4 man race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 He is 4th in a 4 man race. A 3 man race, honestly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 Who gives a flying fuck whether we get Carr, Manziel, Bortles, Bridgewater, McCarron, Garropolo, Capacola, Linguini, Art Garfunkel, Benny Friedman, Fritz Pollard or Pee Wee Fucking Herman...... ....as long as we get a motherfucking quarterback that can play and can win. We have been through 20 starting QBs since 1999 and not a goddamn one of them has been worth a shit hardly (except for DA for about a half a year). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoeticG Posted February 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 I agree Gipper, it wouldn't matter who we draft as long as we get it right this time. But, there is the big problem. The Browns have consistently brought in the WRONG FA QB, drafted the wrong QB, and picked up the wrong QBs off the streets. We could have selected, any of the QBs in our division, although I wouldn't want Dalton... The thing is picking the right one for us and sticking to him. Out of the QBs coming out, who would be the leader of this team, somebody you would follow? I know many would say, as long as we win they would follow him. yes, to a point. But what if winning doesn't come right away? Who is somebody that would weather the losses and keep improving and keep motivating their team to keep going? I see Bridgewater and Manziel self destructing. I don't think they would handle the Cleveland curse well. I think they would explode or grow complacent, much like Weeden did. "Oh, there is nothing more I can do, we're just going to lose anyways..." blah, blah, blah... I think Carr elevates those around him and that is why I'm going with Carr over the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 Of course this discussion is never ending but I will repeat myself. I don't think the key problem of the Cleveland Browns has been the position of quarterback since we returned to the league. Has there been one quarterback who has played in a consistent situation for 2 or more years? I don't think so. How many different offensive schemes how many different coaches offensive coordinators, general managers or even, owners for that matter, have been in and out of Northeast Ohio? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 I agree Gipper, it wouldn't matter who we draft as long as we get it right this time. But, there is the big problem. The Browns have consistently brought in the WRONG FA QB, drafted the wrong QB, and picked up the wrong QBs off the streets. We could have selected, any of the QBs in our division, although I wouldn't want Dalton... The thing is picking the right one for us and sticking to him. Out of the QBs coming out, who would be the leader of this team, somebody you would follow? I know many would say, as long as we win they would follow him. yes, to a point. But what if winning doesn't come right away? Who is somebody that would weather the losses and keep improving and keep motivating their team to keep going? I see Bridgewater and Manziel self destructing. I don't think they would handle the Cleveland curse well. I think they would explode or grow complacent, much like Weeden did. "Oh, there is nothing more I can do, we're just going to lose anyways..." blah, blah, blah... I think Carr elevates those around him and that is why I'm going with Carr over the others. You are just using my post to serve as another opportunity to get a boner over Carr.......I don't care about Carr.....unless he comes here. I don't prefer him over anyone else. So get your jizzbone out of my face. Isn't this like the 3rd or 4th thread on Carr that you have started. If and when he is drafted by the Browns that is the only time I will give a shit about him. Why push us for your paramour. My name is NOT Ray Farmer. He will decide who to pick at QB....if anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 That certainly has something to do with it. I would counter with: How many Cleveland QBs have gone elsewhere and found success? Len Dawson for sure. No one else....unless you count Bernie getting a SB ring with the Cowboys as a backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClevelandBigDawg Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 I'm a big fan of his WR Davante Adams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 I'm a big fan of his WR Davante Adams.[/quote The only player worth getting from Fresno is Davante. I think he can be a stud, personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 didn't Bernie win a playoff game with Aikman hurt? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoeticG Posted February 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 Seriously Gipper? Seriously? Fucking WOW!Actually, this is the only Derek Carr thread that I started. I started a poll thread asking who everyone would like at the top of the first...and I gave my opinion. I also started a thread about the Browns taking several QB to finally move past all the QB carousel BS. But, to say that I've started several threads on Derek Carr specifically is just false.Actually, you are the one who got me interested in Derek Carr in the first place. Yeah, thanks for that. I think it was sometime in December.. actually let me check... ah, here it is.Posted 04 December 2013 - 11:01 AMI may not mind if they took him with their first first rounder ... I think it was jrb who started a thread asking what is wrong with Derek Carr? This is about the time I started researching potential college draft prospects. I looked into Carr because of 'your' endorsement... now, to turn around and attack me about it is a low blow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 didn't Bernie win a playoff game with Aikman hurt? I'm surprised he lost his starting job then.... But seriously even he was never considered a starting quarterback after his time with the Browns. Usually the starter on a bad team is looked on as a failure and never get the opportunity to start again. Those are the breaks. I'll give you another example since you seem to believe it's all about the quarterback. Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl. It's speculation of course but just due to the simple idea that every quarter back we've ever had has been considered a winner at a high level at one time then I would assume that they would have had more success had they been placed at the helm of a good team. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 Seriously Gipper? Seriously? Fucking WOW! Actually, this is the only Derek Carr thread that I started. I started a poll thread asking who everyone would like at the top of the first...and I gave my opinion. I also started a thread about the Browns taking several QB to finally move past all the QB carousel BS. But, to say that I've started several threads on Derek Carr specifically is just false. OK, maybe, but it is still fun to bust your chops over it Actually, you are the one who got me interested in Derek Carr in the first place. Yeah, thanks for that. I think it was sometime in December.. actually let me check... ah, here it is. Posted 04 December 2013 - 11:01 AM I may not mind if they took him with their first first rounder ... I think it was jrb who started a thread asking what is wrong with Derek Carr? This is about the time I started researching potential college draft prospects. I looked into Carr because of 'your' endorsement... now, to turn around and attack me about it is a low blow. So, I am responsible for your love affair? So be it. Since it is just a few days past Valentine's day just call me Cupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 I don't believe it's ALL ABOUT the QB. Simply asking you a question, no need to get butt hurt. Gosh I didn't think I was butt hurt but if you'd like you could certainly kiss it and make it better. Thanks for your concern. But... I think I've been fairly clear with my opinion that it's wise to build a very strong team and then whoever plays quarterback will look better. By the way Bernie Kosar did not win a playoff game in Dallas. He went 5 of 9 and one touchdown as I recall filling in for Troy Aikman in the second half. The Cowboys won the game by 10 or 12 or something. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 Gosh I didn't think I was butt hurt but if you'd like you could certainly kiss it and make it better. Thanks for your concern. But... I think I've been fairly clear with my opinion that it's wise to build a very strong team and then whoever plays quarterback will look better. By the way Bernie Kosar did not win a playoff game in Dallas. He went 5 of 9 and one touchdown as I recall filling in for Troy Aikman in the second half. The Cowboys won the game by 10 or 12 or something. WSS Bernie "perserved" that win. The Cowboys were ahead when Aikman went out, but the 49ers started to make a comeback. Kosar came in the game in the middle of the third quarter and threw a TD pass, and got the Cowboys into position for a FG to salt the game away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 I think it's kindergarten logic that you need a strong overall team to win football games. Cheers. Yes, it certainly goes without saying that is true. The argument is how to get there: Get the franchise QB first and then build components around him....or get that QB as that cherry when the rest of the team is right at the success point...and just needs that quality trigger man. The greatest trigger man in the game can do no good if the rest of the team is poor......say Hello to Dan Marino and Dan Fouts. If the rest of the team is Super Bowl ready, then perhaps all you need is a steady hand on that trigger, and not the quickest draw in town. Say Hello to Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Ben R. in 2005....maybe even Russell Wilson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 I think it's kindergarten logic that you need a strong overall team to win football games. Cheers. And that's why it's true. It's also a damn good reason not to try it the other way. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saxmachine69 Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 Hate to burst your bubble, but this site gives a nice statistical analysis of why Derek Carr is a bust waiting to happen. http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/45952/349/2014s-quarterback-conundrum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beare Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 i think carr and mccaron both will be big bust but just my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 I posted this back in January, I think a lot of people didn't read it or for some reason don't think that it matters. By a "a lot of people," I mean one person. I saw it when you posted it. Too bad they didn't go a little further down the line, maybe with four quarterbacks. I assume you are on board with their February 17 Mock?WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcam222 Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 Norris doesnt say what they gave up to trade to 2, but yeah, I like Teddy B a lot. I don't want Marqise Lee at 26 though. if Lee falls all the way to 26 why wouldnt you want him? Are you concerned with his size and have injury concerns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 Norris doesnt say what they gave up to trade to 2, but yeah, I like Teddy B a lot. I don't want Marqise Lee at 26 though. Do any of the less famous quarterback prospects, those guys destined for rounds three and down, appeal to you at all? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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