gftChris Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 In case you missed it http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000675285/article/making-the-leap-browns-rb-duke-johnson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 Really excited to see what a good coach can do with our offense. I see Hue as completely tailoring the offense around what he has, instead of the tried and never true method of forcing what you have into your system. We're gonna surprise a lot of people with not only our competitiveness each week, but in the end, our 7-9 record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 I think the sky is the limit for Duke. He's an amazing player. He'll be a powerful weapon that will drive defenses crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 The Duke will Abide this coming season. We need to work that slogan in for him somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 Still not feelin' the Duke as a feature back here... sorry... but as a 3rd down guy? Still can see his over-the-shoulder TD catch vs. SD... best reception by a Brown in 2015. Enjoy... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6hZ8BamzMw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted July 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 Perhaps not as a feature back, but as a cliched lightning to the crow's thunder? Absolutely. I mean, if you need two yards up the middle, don't ask Duke to run a smash, for sure. But if you get him free, just watch him go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 From the article: "The obvious obstacle for Johnson is the team he plays for." Ouch with a capital O! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted July 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 From the article: "The obvious obstacle for Johnson is the team he plays for." Ouch with a capital O! I know, right?! That being said, we at least have some exciting weapons with Duke, Barnidge and Coleman. Capable OL, non-terrible QB and it *could* be interesting. If we squint. And put on the beer goggles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 Still not feelin' the Duke as a feature back here... sorry... but as a 3rd down guy? Still can see his over-the-shoulder TD catch vs. SD... best reception by a Brown in 2015. Enjoy... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6hZ8BamzMw I agree with you.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 If we squint. And put on the beer goggles. Dropped my laptop! LOL! :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 Westbrook was a feature back. More of the exception not the rule. But I won't rule out anything as this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 does he have the size to be a bruiser feature three down back? no, except he can easily be an explosive player all three downs. Consider that Mike Pruitt, was 6', 220 lbs. Greg Pruitt was 5'10", 190. Guess what. Ernest Byner was 5'10", 215 lbs, Kevin Mack was 6', 224 lbs. Well, Isaiah Crowell is 5'11", 225 lbs. so Duke Johnson is 5'9", 210. No worries - Duke may not be the three down run up the middle force, but he is an excellent compliment to Crowell in the backfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 we haven't been able to run the ball for years, but now that hue is here it will make all the difference? uhhh...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 Don't know Kirby Wilson to well. But I do know Ernest Byner real well & he will be at camp. With the finish Duke had last season Byner will teach him to absorb tackles & keep his head out of contact areas. Just like Zeke & Henry will learn. These guys now get paid big bucks on defense to take you out.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 we haven't been able to run the ball for years, but now that hue is here it will make all the difference? uhhh...... Haven't seen this boldfaced poster in a while... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiggins7919 Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 Our ability to run the ball will have a lot to do with our defense. If we're down 3 scores at halftime, then I have a feeling we'll abandon the run like always, and we'll have stats like "15 rushes for 43 yards" again. Hue Jackson likes to run the ball, and it's obvious that he likes the backs on our team. If we can keep the game close, I have a feeling our running game will be much improved. I truly believe that we have "real NFL coaches" leading our team, and the results may be vast and immediate. I'm not saying we're going to take the league by storm, but we may notice an immediate difference in things like play-calling, clock management, and proper scheming. That may not equate to more WINS, but it doesn't have to right away. We need improvements on so many levels to be COMPETITIVE, and I'm hoping we'll at least see them this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 I think that's true - and that when the wrs addition to the offense, Hue and co. will start fooling the defense, and the switch will flip and the offense will take off. The lack of wr threat left defenses to double cover Barnidge, put a solid cb on Benji downfield, and just shut down the run, imho. The lack of wr's downfield threats made it easy on opposing defenses, and all too often, they left the field before the Browns defense had to go right back out there again. Right there is a defense killer, and we've all covered how the previous fools kept running dl's on and off the field in "sprints" so often. I honestly believe the Browns are going to surprise their division in a Huege way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 There's a switch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 Hue and co. will start fooling the defense, and the switch will flip and the offense will take off. Stop talking like the politicians that just left Cleveland. This means absolutely nothing. 1) Hue doesn't have a "co" 2) How, exactly, will NFL-caliber WR "fool" an NFL-caliber defense? 3) What, PRECISELY, is this switch that you plan to flip? How will you know when it has flipped? What is the observation by which you're saying that now it hasn't flipped? 4) What does "take off" mean? How will we know when it has happened? What exactly didn't happen last year? Could the offense take off without the switch flipping? Could the switch flip and yet the offense doesn't take off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 1) Hue doesn't have a "co" *************************** "co." stands for "company". as in, the rest of the coaches. **************************** 2) How, exactly, will NFL-caliber WR "fool" an NFL-caliber defense? **************************** Never said that - with the addition of a dynamic wr or two, the offense will have the ability to run anything in the playbook. that's where you have so many choices to fool a defense. **************************** 3) What, PRECISELY, is this switch that you plan to flip? How will you know when it has flipped? What is the observation by which you're saying that now it hasn't flipped? ***************************** Well, previous coaching staffs have been in the dark. SO, when the little switchie goes flippity-flippity, you then have the lightsies go on. Then, defenses see that they have to be ready for anything and everything, and the offense can do them really well. ***************************** 4) What does "take off" mean? How will we know when it has happened? What exactly didn't happen last year? ****************************** "take off" means to get going and soar. We will know when the switch is flipped, when the offense can pass at will, run at will, fool and antagonize and confuse defenses often. What didn't happen last year, is the blocking and playcalling and personnel packages were predictable, and the lack of a couple of dynamic wr's limited the options on top of that. Barnidge bailed out the passing offense as much as a te could, like Gronk does the same for the Patriots - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 I been watching WR's run wide open, with no QB who could find them(or hit em) for years.....better hope all these new WR's have a good QB who can anticipate them getting open and then get em the ball(on time)....or....its just more of the same..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 I been watching WR's run wide open, with no QB who could find them(or hit em) for years.....better hope all these new WR's have a good QB who can anticipate them getting open and then get em the ball(on time)....or....its just more of the same..... ReGeneratedqb eyeI eyeI eyeI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 You haven't named any observable metrics, you've described things you "feel" just must be true. 1) Exactly how many yards rushing and passing per game define the flip of that switch? Why do these numbers define a switch flipping and not athletes doing.. what they do? 2)You haven't defined how "often" defenses need to be "fooled" - twice per game? Twice per play? - and you have not defined what within the play earns a check in the box confirming that "The Defense Was Fooled." 10 players on defense could be fooled but Josh Norman could make a great play, lay out and cause an INC.. and the result is still no gain on the stat sheet.. so it can't be the outcome of the play 3) "previous coaching staffs have been in the dark" - What, precisely, defines a coaching staff being in the dark? The coaching staff could very well be fine but the RB could miss an assignment.. how are you abstracting the coaching staff from the play on the field? The chief issue is that you've described things that you want to see, and then described results after some "switch" does something. But you haven't described anything confirming that the switch is or isn't there in the first place! You're taking it as an article of faith that "of course" it's a thing... but I [and Tour, above] simply do not accept that assertion. Most clearly: What numerical items show that these positive outcomes could NOT exist without the switch flipping? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillmotion Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 You haven't named any observable metrics, you've described things you "feel" just must be true. 1) Exactly how many yards rushing and passing per game define the flip of that switch? Why do these numbers define a switch flipping and not athletes doing.. what they do? 2)You haven't defined how "often" defenses need to be "fooled" - twice per game? Twice per play? - and you have not defined what within the play earns a check in the box confirming that "The Defense Was Fooled." 10 players on defense could be fooled but Josh Norman could make a great play, lay out and cause an INC.. and the result is still no gain on the stat sheet.. so it can't be the outcome of the play 3) "previous coaching staffs have been in the dark" - What, precisely, defines a coaching staff being in the dark? The coaching staff could very well be fine but the RB could miss an assignment.. how are you abstracting the coaching staff from the play on the field? The chief issue is that you've described things that you want to see, and then described results after some "switch" does something. But you haven't described anything confirming that the switch is or isn't there in the first place! You're taking it as an article of faith that "of course" it's a thing... but I [and Tour, above] simply do not accept that assertion. Most clearly: What numerical items show that these positive outcomes could NOT exist without the switch flipping? Our head coach, starting QB, and whole WR corp are "in the dark" now. Why does it matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 28, 2016 Report Share Posted July 28, 2016 Our head coach, starting QB, and whole WR corp are "in the dark" now. Why does it matter. RACIST!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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