The Gipper Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 Here in order of the CA production average are the Top 30 Football players who are not yet in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. I am sure we have done this before....so what. We do it again about once a year. Some of these are not yet eligible...but I include all. Who gets in, who stays out: 1. Peyton Manning 2. Brett Favre......elected 3. Tom Brady 4. Ray Lewis 5. Drew Brees 6. Julius Peppers 7. Terrell Owens 8. Jim Marshall 9. Michael Strahan 10. Randy Moss 11. Marvin Harrison.....elected 12. Ken Anderson 13. Jason Taylor 14. Charles Woodson 15. LaDanian Tomlinson 16. Reggie Wayne 17. Kevin Mawae 18. Jeff Saturday 19. Zach Thomas 20. Champ Bailey 21. Ronde Barber 22. Phillip Rivers 23. Brian Urlacher 24. Tony Gonzales 25. Alan Faneca 26. Ben Roethlisberger 27. John Hadl 28. Vinny Testaverde 29. London Fletcher 30. Steve Wisniewski Who should be in, who should be out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 Here in order of the CA production average are the Top 30 Football players who are not yet in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. I am sure we have done this before....so what. We do it again about once a year. Some of these are not yet eligible...but I include all. Who gets in, who stays out: 1. Peyton Manning 2. Brett Favre 3. Tom Brady 4. Ray Lewis 5. Drew Brees 6. Julius Peppers 7. Terrell Owens 8. Jim Marshall 9. Michael Strahan 10. Randy Moss 11. Marvin Harrison 12. Ken Anderson 13. Jason Taylor 14. Charles Woodson 15. LaDanian Tomlinson 16. Reggie Wayne 17. Kevin Mawae 18. Jeff Saturday 19. Zach Thomas 20. Champ Bailey 21. Ronde Barber 22. Phillip Rivers 23. Brian Urlacher 24. Tony Gonzales 25. Alan Faneca 26. Ben Roethlisberger 27. John Hadl 28. Vinny Testaverde 29. London Fletcher 30. Steve Wisniewski Who should be in, who should be out? I here have highlighted those who have been "waiting" a long time to get in. Others are still active, some are retired but not yet eligible. Italics are still active...or were last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 Makes no sense to include ineligible players... especially if list excludes AP. When it's his time he's a 1st ballot guy. Ditto for our Joe T. Other 1st ballot guys are: P. Manning Brady Lewis Brees Moss Woodson LT Champ Rivers Erlacher Gonzales Big Ben That Wisniewski is on the list and we did not land him in FA pisses me off.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 Makes no sense to include ineligible players... especially if list excludes AP. When it's his time he's a 1st ballot guy. Well, I was just listing everyone who was not in yet who was Top 30 in CA...I didn't distinguish per se about eligibility. Ditto for our Joe T. Other 1st ballot guys are: P. Manning Brady Lewis Brees Moss Woodson LT Champ Rivers Erlacher Gonzales Big Ben I don't know if all of these will be first ballot....though I think they do ultimately make it. That Wisniewski is on the list and we did not land him in FA pisses me off.... FYI.....the Wisniewski I listed here is the uncle of the Stefan Wisniewski we missed on in FA. Steve Wisniewski played his entire 13 year career with the Raiders. 8 time Pro Bowler. 2 time All Pro first team, 6 times 2d team. 1990s All Decade team. Missed only 2 games his entire career. I think he should likely make it....but he has a lot of competition....amongst Linemen. Faneca and Mawae especially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 1. Peyton Manning 2. Brett Favre 3. Tom Brady 4. Ray Lewis 5. Drew Brees 6. Julius Peppers 7. Terrell Owens 8. Jim Marshall 9. Michael Strahan 10. Randy Moss 11. Marvin Harrison 12. Ken Anderson 13. Jason Taylor 14. Charles Woodson 15. LaDanian Tomlinson 16. Reggie Wayne 17. Kevin Mawae 18. Jeff Saturday 19. Zach Thomas 20. Champ Bailey 21. Ronde Barber 22. Phillip Rivers 23. Brian Urlacher 24. Tony Gonzales 25. Alan Faneca 26. Ben Roethlisberger 27. John Hadl 28. Vinny Testaverde 29. London Fletcher 30. Steve Wisniewski I'd like to see the guys in bold get in, many are no-brainers. Ben will get in too. Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 Of course, the real questions are: Why are not Marshall and Anderson in yet? Zombo might argue that they were not good enough.....yet their credentials are easily as good or better than many, many other players that are in. Do they hold Marshall's wrong way run against him? I doubt that considering what else he did. Do they hold it against him that he was also on a D-Line with Carl Eller and Alan Page? I think that is highly possible. And Anderson? Do they hold it against him that he didn't win a Super Bowl? I would think not....as many other QBs that are in also did not win. His contemporary, Dan Fouts, never even made it to a Super Bowl. Or do they think he just was too far down the pecking order of his contemporaries? He played 14 years from 1971 to 1984. Yes, Bradshaw, Stabler, Staubach, some with Montana,Griese all of whom won titles and Fouts were his contemporaries. His CA and Fouts CA were almost identical.....Fouts 162, Anderson 161 (But Fouts played 1 more year....if Fouts played the same number of years, he would have been behind Anderson) Fouts played in a much more pass happy offense. He had 1200 more career attempts.....and more yards, completions, and TDs...but that all came with many more passes. Yet, Anderson is rated his equal in production....and he actually had a better career production number than the likes of Griese, Stabler, Namath, Aikman, Stauback, Starr, and others. But those guys all won titles where Anderson lost his only bid. That may indeed be the primary factor in him not getting in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 1. Peyton Manning 2. Brett Favre 3. Tom Brady 4. Ray Lewis 5. Drew Brees 6. Julius Peppers 7. Terrell Owens 8. Jim Marshall 9. Michael Strahan 10. Randy Moss 11. Marvin Harrison 12. Ken Anderson 13. Jason Taylor 14. Charles Woodson 15. LaDanian Tomlinson 16. Reggie Wayne 17. Kevin Mawae 18. Jeff Saturday 19. Zach Thomas 20. Champ Bailey 21. Ronde Barber 22. Phillip Rivers 23. Brian Urlacher 24. Tony Gonzales 25. Alan Faneca 26. Ben Roethlisberger 27. John Hadl 28. Vinny Testaverde 29. London Fletcher 30. Steve Wisniewski I'd like to see the guys in bold get in, many are no-brainers. Ben will get in too. Zombo Question: Can Mawae and Faneca merely be the OL versions of Vinny Testaverde? Long careers...but just OK? Or were these guys really the cream of the crop? And why not Taylor and Thomas? Are you showing an anti-Dolphin bias? I know that the Dolphins hadn't been that great a team in their careers, but since Dan Marino, their QB situation has been just a tad above the Browns. Should that be held against these....seemingly outstanding defenders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 Of course, the real questions are: Why are not Marshall and Anderson in yet? Zombo might argue that they were not good enough..... Zombo has Marshall in bold and thinks he is the greatest slight of all players not in the HOF. Anderson was very good, not great. Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 Question: Can Mawae and Faneca merely be the OL versions of Vinny Testaverde? Long careers...but just OK? Or were these guys really the cream of the crop? And why not Taylor and Thomas? Are you showing an anti-Dolphin bias? I know that the Dolphins hadn't been that great a team in their careers, but since Dan Marino, their QB situation has been just a tad above the Browns. Should that be held against these....seemingly outstanding defenders? Mawae and Faneca were not "just OK" they were outstanding. Faneca did tail off some toward the end of his career when he got off the Steeler juice, but I think he has enough of a resume to get in as premier guard of his era. Taylor may have a case, in fact I have no problem if he gets in. Thomas another guy that was very good, not great. Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 Mawae and Faneca were not "just OK" they were outstanding. Faneca did tail off some toward the end of his career when he got off the Steeler juice, but I think he has enough of a resume to get in as premier guard of his era. Taylor may have a case, in fact I have no problem if he gets in. Thomas another guy that was very good, not great. Zombo So, you think these Steeler OL were all juiced up. Has there been any confirmation of that....not that it would surprise me. That would keep them out of Baseball's HOF....not sure about football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 So, you think these Steeler OL were all juiced up. Has there been any confirmation of that....not that it would surprise me. That would keep them out of Baseball's HOF....not sure about football. All offensive linemen are juiced up. Steelers just ahead of the curve, always have the best stuff. They practically invented it in the 70s. Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 Zombo has Marshall in bold and thinks he is the greatest slight of all players not in the HOF. Anderson was very good, not great. Zombo I agree with Zombo living in Bungle-land. Anderson suffers from Archie Manning syndrome- a lot of his teams weren't very good, and his stats don't stick out particularly. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AndeKe00.htm Testaverde had a long, and mostly mediocre career- though he's still in the top 10 in passing yardage- does that mean he should get in? http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TestVi00.htm & looking at PFR, Rothlisberger is a lock to get in when he hangs 'em up. Him and Tomlinson are two guys that could have been Browns, and we passed on both of them in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 & looking at PFR, Rothlisberger is a lock to get in when he hangs 'em up. Him and Tomlinson are two guys that could have been Browns, and we passed on both of them in the draft. Well, there are a whole litany of guys that fit that mold, including Aaron Rodgers...or Joe Montana....or Tom Brady and probably Emmit Smith etc. etc. etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Post Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 Here in order of the CA production average are the Top 30 Football players who are not yet in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. I am sure we have done this before....so what. We do it again about once a year. Some of these are not yet eligible...but I include all. Who gets in, who stays out: 1. Peyton Manning 2. Brett Favre 3. Tom Brady 4. Ray Lewis 5. Drew Brees 6. Julius Peppers 7. Terrell Owens 8. Jim Marshall 9. Michael Strahan 10. Randy Moss 11. Marvin Harrison 12. Ken Anderson 13. Jason Taylor 14. Charles Woodson 15. LaDanian Tomlinson 16. Reggie Wayne 17. Kevin Mawae 18. Jeff Saturday 19. Zach Thomas 20. Champ Bailey 21. Ronde Barber 22. Phillip Rivers 23. Brian Urlacher 24. Tony Gonzales 25. Alan Faneca 26. Ben Roethlisberger 27. John Hadl 28. Vinny Testaverde 29. London Fletcher 30. Steve Wisniewski Who should be in, who should be out? Kurt Warner? Where is he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 Already in the HoF... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 Warner is not in the Hall yet. His greatness was confined to shorter career with some mediocrity (Giants) in the middle, so he is a good example of someone who most definitely belongs in the Hall but doesn't top any numbers list. If it was the Hall of Numbers, then Kenny Anderson would be in and Joe Namath would be out ... but is the Hall of Fame. Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 Kurt Warner? Where is he? You ask an excellent question. While I have listed the top players in the pfr career production average.....that single stat, though it somewhat tries to be that, is NOT the be all and end all of things. Warner is actually way down on the CA.....because he had a somewhat short career....12 seasons. Compare to like Vinny T.....who had a very long career....and productive in terms of his total numbers...be that CA or completions/yards/TDs etc. But no one, I believe, would put him into the HOF over Warner whose stats are much, much lower than Vinny's. So, I guess what I am saying is that my original post didn't ask....are these ALL of the players that warrant future HOF consideration.....it is just a specific list of players.....there are others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 Kurt Warner? Where is he? Not in yet...see Zombo's post....but note......Favre and Marvin Harrison should be taken off that list above....as they have been elected...just not inducted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 Warner is not in the Hall yet. His greatness was confined to shorter career with some mediocrity (Giants) in the middle, so he is a good example of someone who most definitely belongs in the Hall but doesn't top any numbers list. Damn premonitions... swear I have an image of him in a gold blazer giving an inductance speech. Maybe it was for the Arena HoF... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 Here is a list of first time eligible players that will be up for the 2017 HOF Class: Brian Dawkins DB Tommie Harris DL Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) WR Larry Johnson RB Thomas Jones RB Olin Kreutz OL Matt Light OL Derrick Mason WR Donovan McNabb QB Joey Porter LB Bob Sanders DB Jeremy Shockey TE Jason Taylor DE LaDanian Tomlinson RB Whines Hard WR Ricky Williams RB LDT, to me is the only Nicollete Sheridan in this bunch. The interesting one will be Donovan McNabb. And besides Warner, here are some other current eligibles who may also be highly considered: Isaac Bruce Tori Holt John Lynch Terrell Davis. Morten Anderson T.O. Kevin Mawae Edgerrin James Faneca Joe Jacoby Steve Atwater Who among these will/should make it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownsfaninPa Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 I have been waiting for 2 Defensive players to be elected in. One famous Nose Tackle is long over due, N.Y. JETS, #73 Joe Klecko, and our very own BROWNS LB, #57 Clay Matthews, clay should go in for a team record holder, and for longevity and years of service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 I have been waiting for 2 Defensive players to be elected in. One famous Nose Tackle is long over due, N.Y. JETS, #73 Joe Klecko, and our very own BROWNS LB, #57 Clay Matthews, clay should go in for a team record holder, and for longevity and years of service. Problem is that neither of those guys have even made the Finalist list any time lately. While Clay was one of 108 semifinalists, Klecko didn't even make that. http://www.profootballhof.com/108-modern-era-nominees-announced-for-class-of-2016/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownsfaninPa Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 I have a major beef with the committee who finalizes the induction into the H.O.F. I want to know why after being retired for 33 yrs, and now has passed away, Raiders QB Ken Stabler is inducted? I want to know why he is selected this year and not years ago? I feel the committee has a ignorance toward Stabler, and that's why he was always left out, but now that he passed away, oh we feel its time to put him in. BULL SHIT. The man's records haven't changed since 1982. I feel he has been selected in now only because he is passed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StinkHole Posted July 16, 2016 Report Share Posted July 16, 2016 Here is a list of first time eligible players that will be up for the 2017 HOF Class: Brian Dawkins DB Tommie Harris DL Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) WR Larry Johnson RB Thomas Jones RB Olin Kreutz OL Matt Light OL Derrick Mason WR Donovan McNabb QB Joey Porter LB Bob Sanders DB Jeremy Shockey TE Jason Taylor DE LaDanian Tomlinson RB Whines Hard WR Ricky Williams RB LDT, to me is the only Nicollete Sheridan in this bunch. The interesting one will be Donovan McNabb. And besides Warner, here are some other current eligibles who may also be highly considered: Isaac Bruce Tori Holt John Lynch Terrell Davis. Morten Anderson T.O. Kevin Mawae Edgerrin James Faneca Joe Jacoby Steve Atwater Who among these will/should make it? Hines Ward should. Has the stats. 2 X Super Bowl winner, 4 X Pro Bowler (3x second team), SB MVP. What puts him over the top is that no one has ever played the position like he has. Wasn't the prototype WR. Never took a play off, always looking to find someones head to knock off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Post Posted July 16, 2016 Report Share Posted July 16, 2016 At 2:24 in the am? Drink some more Stink Face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StinkHole Posted July 16, 2016 Report Share Posted July 16, 2016 At 2:24 in the am? Drink some more Stink Face. Recall the other night you asking your wife where the fuck she was at 2AM? I was up because I just finished with her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Post Posted July 17, 2016 Report Share Posted July 17, 2016 Recall the other night you asking your wife where the fuck she was at 2AM? I was up because I just finished with her.My wife is a hottie. She's never cheated on me and vice versa. We met in High School and married after I quit college. Shes a saint actually and I'm the luckiest guy on earth. For you to even joke about sleeping with my wife is laughable. I'm '6 - ''2 and weight 255lbs with a 4% body fat. I'm 50 yrs old too and have a perfect smile. Dude there's no way she would fuck you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted July 17, 2016 Report Share Posted July 17, 2016 Dude there's no way she would fuck you ... LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Post Posted July 17, 2016 Report Share Posted July 17, 2016 Dude there's no way she would fuck you ... LOL.Zombo you stay away from my wife with your winking ass! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted July 17, 2016 Report Share Posted July 17, 2016 My wink broke up Johnny and Coleen and sent him spiralling out of control. I wouldn't want to do that to you, you seem like a decent guy. And big. Z Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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