D Bone Posted July 13, 2016 Report Share Posted July 13, 2016 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/07/12/report-browns-lose-desmond-bryant-for-the-season/ Report: Browns lose Desmond Bryant for the season Browns defensive end Desmond Bryant is likely to miss the 2016 season due to a torn pectoral muscle, Anthony Lima of 92.3 The Fan and WOIO Channel 19 in Cleveland reported Tuesday night. The report said Bryant had surgery Tuesday to repair the tear and faces a 5-6 month recovery period, which means he’s likely to miss the entire 2016 season. Byrant led the Browns with six sacks last season and was again expected to be a starter and key player in the team’s defense under defensive coordinator Ray Horton, who was also the team’s defensive coordinator in 2013, the first year Bryant played for the Browns. A former undrafted success story out of Harvard, Bryant, 30, broke into the league with the Raiders and played four seasons there before signing with the Browns in 2013. He’s started 59 of 104 career games and has started all 41 games he’s played the last three seasons in Cleveland. The Browns already were starting the season without defensive end/outside linebacker Armonty Bryant, who’s serving a four-game NFL suspension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted July 13, 2016 Report Share Posted July 13, 2016 Xavier Cooper, Come on down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted July 13, 2016 Report Share Posted July 13, 2016 Crap. He was our best DL last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted July 13, 2016 Report Share Posted July 13, 2016 Crap. He was our best DL last year. Our best DLineman since we GOT him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted July 13, 2016 Report Share Posted July 13, 2016 He sucks against the run.. no great loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiggins7919 Posted July 13, 2016 Report Share Posted July 13, 2016 Still think it's a huge loss, especially from leadership position. Not only that, we're going to be depending an awful lot on rookies and second year players. Ugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownsfaninPa Posted July 13, 2016 Report Share Posted July 13, 2016 With this loss, maybe one of the defensive rookies will be slotted in to fill that spot, LB, D. Alexander DL, N. Stample DL, C. Nassib LB, E. Ogbah DL, K. Rose LB, J. Schobert LB, S. Wright Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted July 13, 2016 Report Share Posted July 13, 2016 Looks like Nassib is getting a lot more reps than he was supposed to. Cooper as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Mike Posted July 13, 2016 Report Share Posted July 13, 2016 While I regret his loss, it's also a great OPPORTUNITY for one of our young players to step up. It will be interesting to see who will. I do think we have talent there. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 13, 2016 Report Share Posted July 13, 2016 I was under some impression that Bryant's job may have been on the line anyway....from just his own basically mediocre play...and from the competition he was to face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted July 13, 2016 Report Share Posted July 13, 2016 I was under some impression that Bryant's job may have been on the line anyway....from just his own basically mediocre play...and from the competition he was to face. He led the team in sacks last year. While not exactly all-pro, 6 sacks for an interior DL is a pretty decent return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted July 13, 2016 Report Share Posted July 13, 2016 While I regret his loss, it's also a great OPPORTUNITY for one of our young players to step up. It will be interesting to see who will. I do think we have talent there. Mike Ya, this is not good news, but it is opportunity. Young guys put on the fast track. Nassib is next man up, if he is not NFL ready we are going to see a lot of John Hughes. Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted July 13, 2016 Report Share Posted July 13, 2016 Phil Taylor V2.0? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted July 13, 2016 Report Share Posted July 13, 2016 Wouldn't shock me to see him cut, if it's even vaguely favourable. Missing this year, he'll come in to next season as a 31 year old, coming off of a lost year and making $7m, only $1m of which is guaranteed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 13, 2016 Report Share Posted July 13, 2016 He led the team in sacks last year. While not exactly all-pro, 6 sacks for an interior DL is a pretty decent return. Except, correct me if I am wrong, DB is a DE, not on interior DL. That still may be a decent return.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 13, 2016 Report Share Posted July 13, 2016 Wouldn't shock me to see him cut, if it's even vaguely favourable. Missing this year, he'll come in to next season as a 31 year old, coming off of a lost year and making $7m, only $1m of which is guaranteed. I don't think they can cut him if he goes on IR. They will have to continue to pay him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted July 13, 2016 Report Share Posted July 13, 2016 Except, correct me if I am wrong, DB is a DE, not on interior DL. That still may be a decent return.... He's not a primary pass rusher in the team, which is the job of the OLBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 13, 2016 Report Share Posted July 13, 2016 He's not a primary pass rusher in the team, which is the job of the OLBs. The greatest pass rushers in history were DEs. Deacon Jones, Carl Eller, Michael Strahan, Bruce Smith. Some guys were like combo guys.....like MDP and JJ Watt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted July 13, 2016 Report Share Posted July 13, 2016 Except, correct me if I am wrong, DB is a DE, not on interior DL. That still may be a decent return.... Playing a 3spot is most certainly interior dline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted July 13, 2016 Report Share Posted July 13, 2016 The greatest pass rushers in history were DEs. Deacon Jones, Carl Eller, Michael Strahan, Bruce Smith. Some guys were like combo guys.....like MDP and JJ Watt. Having this conversation yet again is tedious. How long have you been a football fan and you don't know this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 13, 2016 Report Share Posted July 13, 2016 Having this conversation yet again is tedious. How long have you been a football fan and you don't know this? Don't be stupid. Defensive Ends rush the passer. It is a primary requirement of the position. If you are a fucking defensive end you rush the fucking passer. What is it about that YOU don't fucking understand? I don't care if it is a fucking 4-3 or a 3-4....that is what DEs do. I have known this since like 1960. Do you not yet know this simple fact about football? Do OLBs ALSO have responsibility to rush the passer? Certainly. But look at this list of the 25 career leaders in sacks. 1Bruce Smith200.01985-20032TM 2Reggie White198.01985-20003TM 3Kevin Greene160.01985-19994TM 4Chris Doleman150.51985-19993TM 5Michael Strahan141.51993-2007nyg 6Jason Taylor139.51997-20113TM 7Richard Dent137.51983-19974TM John Randle137.51990-20032TM 9Julius Peppers136.02002-20153TM Jared Allen136.02004-20154TM11 DeMarcus Ware134.52005-20152TM 12John Abraham133.52000-20143TM 13Lawrence Taylor132.51981-1993nyg Leslie O'Neal132.51986-19993TM 15Rickey Jackson128.01981-19952TM 16Derrick Thomas126.51989-1999kan 17Simeon Rice122.01996-20074TM 18Clyde Simmons121.51986-20005TM 19Dwight Freeney119.52002-20153TM 20Robert Mathis118.02003-2015clt 21Sean Jones113.01984-19963TM 22Greg Townsend109.51983-19972TM 23Pat Swilling107.51986-19983TM 24Terrell Suggs106.52003-2015rav 25Trace Armstrong106.01989-20033TM2 2/3rds to 3/4ths are guys that played the DE position. This just since 1982 when the stat was created. Guys like Jones and Eller don't actually show up here. Same here: 1 Clay Matthews 1978 1993 232 ROLB 124 14 205 1 36 0 24 1 13 29 1 62.0 1430 0 2 Michael Dean Perry 1988 1994 109 RDT 78 10 0 7 14 1 51.5 470 10 3 Rob Burnett 1990 1995 93 LDE 44 2 0 7 9 0 40.5 305 28 4 Carl Hairston 1984 1989 92 RDE 41 0 0 3 0 0 37.5 5 Reggie Camp 1983 1987 70 LDE 32 0 0 2 0 0 35.0 6 Anthony Pleasant 1990 1995 94 RDE 37 9 0 1 4 0 33.5 273 24 1 7 Chip Banks 1982 1986 73 LOLB 55 5 117 1 65 0 0 0 6 17 0 27.5 8 Kamerion Wimbley 2006 2009 63 ROLB 29 1 2 0 2 4 6 0 3 1 0 26.5 183 65 9 Jabaal Sheard 2011 2014 61 DE 29 0 0 0 0 12 7 0 2 5 0 23.0 122 68 10 Kenard Lang 2002 2005 62 LDE 28 2 71 0 71 8 3 0 1 8 0 22.5 155 53 11 Jamir Miller 1999 2001 47 LLB 28 2 0 0 0 14 4 0 0 0 0 22.5 238 62 12 Paul Kruger 2013 2015 48 DE 21 0 0 0 0 9 6 0 1 0 0 18.0 78 49 13 Courtney Brown 2000 2004 47 LDE 24 0 0 0 0 8 6 0 6 26 1 17.0 135 35 8 of Browns top 13 sackers have been DEs. 4 have been OLBs.....one was a DT. So, tell me again how it is that you have rewritten the history of football by putting primary emphasis for pass rushing on LBs and not on DEs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDog Posted July 13, 2016 Report Share Posted July 13, 2016 This sucks! There's an article out there. Maybe there's a relationship between the strength coach and pec injuries. Sometimes when the weight is simply too much for the body. http://www.dailynorseman.com/2016/7/13/12171580/browns-pass-rusher-done-for-season-with-torn-pectoral Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted July 13, 2016 Report Share Posted July 13, 2016 All those stats from Gip leads me to believe he needs to get out and play football at some level to understand the differences in position play with respect to name. If we must be technical Mr 'no difference between 43 34' your classic LE is actually your primary run stopper to the outside. Again this is in a pure traditional sense as most teams put their greatest value in their RE being a blind side pass rusher being most QB's are right handed. Ergo the premium price tag on LT's compared to Right. You need to get out of the 60's mindset (when DE's were still run stoppers first and foremost - so piss poor example) out of your Madden mindset and set foot on a real field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 This sucks! There's an article out there. Maybe there's a relationship between the strength coach and pec injuries. Sometimes when the weight is simply too much for the body. http://www.dailynorseman.com/2016/7/13/12171580/browns-pass-rusher-done-for-season-with-torn-pectoral This really bites! Des was to be looked at as one of the much needed leaders of a young defensive front 7. Your attached article is truly worry-some. Ogbah (still our best drafted DE not at LB), Nassib & Stample will give J.Hughes & X Cooper a run, but god just did not make enough long armed DE's in this world. Sashi may have to go shopping before the camp injuries really start.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 3-4 DEs are interior players. PFF grades them along with DTs and they grade 3-4 OLBs along with 4-3 DEs simply as "EDGE." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 Ugh, this one actually sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 3-4 DEs are interior players. PFF grades them along with DTs and they grade 3-4 OLBs along with 4-3 DEs simply as "EDGE." Don't be silly, clearly a DE is a DE is a DE regardless of whether it's a 3-4 or 4-3... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 While I regret his loss, it's also a great OPPORTUNITY for one of our young players to step up. It will be interesting to see who will. I do think we have talent there. Mike I love your attitude Mike. Must have learned it on he other side of the pond. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_word_for_%22crisis%22 "In Vietnamese The Sino-Vietnamese word nguy cơ (危機) means risk in Vietnamese, as in there is an opportunity (cơ) of being in danger (nguy)." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 Opportunity... smoportunity... Should force us more to 4-3 looks since we are now one starter thinner with 3-4 DEs... But then there is always the waiver wire... 3-4 DEs are interior players. PFF grades them along with DTs and they grade 3-4 OLBs along with 4-3 DEs simply as "EDGE." Yup... and most, if not all, of Gip's original list were 4-3 DEs. IIRC only Bruce Smith was a 3-4 guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 All those stats from Gip leads me to believe he needs to get out and play football at some level to understand the differences in position play with respect to name. If we must be technical Mr 'no difference between 43 34' your classic LE is actually your primary run stopper to the outside. Again this is in a pure traditional sense as most teams put their greatest value in their RE being a blind side pass rusher being most QB's are right handed. Ergo the premium price tag on LT's compared to Right. You need to get out of the 60's mindset (when DE's were still run stoppers first and foremost - so piss poor example) out of your Madden mindset and set foot on a real field. Both DEs and OLBs have run stopping duties. Both DE's and OLBs have pass rushing duties. Even DEs have occasional pass coverage duties. But to say that a DE does NOT have primary pass rush duties....be it the 30s/50s/60s/70s/90s/or 2010s is assinine. When a team runs, their duty is to stop the run. When the opponent passes, their duty is to rush the passer.....the LDE is not going to sit there and watch for the run when the QB goes back to pass....even if his first assignment is to watch for the run. These guys are not supposed to be pre-programmed potted plants. Its not rocket science, its football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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