Westside Steve Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 I would imagine that most of you know that waterboarding a high profile terrorist in order to get information that saves American lives doesn't bother me very much. But to keep this campaign issue alive over 3 guys for this many years is really ridiculous. Especially when the White House demands "no names please" rule to keep their own guys out of the sauce. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadbrownsfan Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 Have not read the report, but I am mostly against torture, and think it should only be used as a last resort. But I have no doubts that if ISIS or al-qaeda managed to grab one of our troops they wouldn't treat them half as well as we treat prisoners(even the ones we do\did torture) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 I'm against torture of citizens. Suspected terrorists? Fuck em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 I'm against torture of citizens. Suspected terrorists? Fuck em. How about foreign born naturalized citizens? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 I meant citizens of anywhere. Regular people. Unless they're a terrorist then fuck em Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 If you pick up an Iraqi and don't suspect him of terrorism but suspect he's hiding something no torture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadbrownsfan Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 Link to the report- http://www.intelligence.senate.gov/study2014/sscistudy1.pdf TL;DR version it was not effective, more intelligence(and more reliable) was gathered without torture the type of torture and brutality was worse than reported by the CIA the CIA mislead the White house, the senate oversight committee, and other policy makers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 Poor Khalid sheikh Mohammed. I feel really sorry for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterWhite Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 I like how preppy white Liberal trust fund kids are more outraged at torture than rape, murder, beheadings, and torture committed by ISIS and Muslims. Fucking faggots hahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 Link to the report- http://www.intelligence.senate.gov/study2014/sscistudy1.pdf TL;DR version it was not effective, more intelligence(and more reliable) was gathered without torture the type of torture and brutality was worse than reported by the CIA the CIA mislead the White house, the senate oversight committee, and other policy makers According to some Democratic senators who put this up for what reason? Screw them and the terrorists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 If they thought a guy legitimately knew something that could save lives, I really don't care what they have to do so long as it got accurate information. I believe that is where the debate is. Does the torture render accurate information? Todd Jihad very well could just say whatever it is that he thinks will make you stop water boarding him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted December 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 If they thought a guy legitimately knew something that could save lives, I really don't care what they have to do so long as it got accurate information. I believe that is where the debate is. Does the torture render accurate information? Todd Jihad very well could just say whatever it is that he thinks will make you stop water boarding him.Sure he could. But let's say I was waterboarding you. I'd have a few things I wanted you to tell me. I already know a couple of them but I'll ask you anyway. I would let you know right off the bat and I knew some things I was asking about and if it turns out you lied to me about anything we will be back here and it will go on a lot longer than it has this time. Are we clear? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 Sure he could. But let's say I was waterboarding you. I'd have a few things I wanted you to tell me. I already know a couple of them but I'll ask you anyway. I would let you know right off the bed and I knew a couple of the things I was asking about and if it turns out you lied to me about anything we will be back here and it will go on a lot longer than it has this time. Are we clear? WSS They don't just ask questions and get answers and say okay. They do ask some questions that they already know answers to. There are checks and balances, and verification. If the guy is bullshitting, they will find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 Sure he could. But let's say I was waterboarding you. I'd have a few things I wanted you to tell me. I already know a couple of them but I'll ask you anyway. I would let you know right off the bat and I knew some things I was asking about and if it turns out you lied to me about anything we will be back here and it will go on a lot longer than it has this time. Are we clear? WSS *rolls the dice; fake drowns for a couple more hours* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadbrownsfan Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 According to some Democratic senators who put this up for what reason? Screw them and the terrorists. 8 dems and 7 reps make up the Senate Intelligence Committee Steve you torture someone enough and they will tell you anything to get it stop(even if they don't have the info you are looking for) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 8 dems and 7 reps make up the Senate Intelligence Committee Steve you torture someone enough and they will tell you anything to get it stop(even if they don't have the info you are looking for) Read my statement above. Any bullshit will be found out. And they were not tortured but put through some uncomfortable procedures. No glass up the dick, broken bones, eyes gouged out, wood underneath the fingernails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadbrownsfan Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 Read my statement above. Any bullshit will be found out. And they were not tortured but put through some uncomfortable procedures. No glass up the dick, broken bones, eyes gouged out, wood underneath the fingernails. And your statement has been found to be incorrect. https://www.cgu.edu/...terrogation.pdf http://www.livescien...neffective.html http://en.wikipedia....r_interrogation "FM 34-52 Intelligence Interrogation, the United States Army field manual, explains that torture "is a poor technique that yields unreliable results, may damage subsequent collection efforts, and can induce the source to say what he thinks the interrogator wants to hear."[4] Not only is torture ineffective at gathering reliable information, but it also increases the difficulty of gathering information from a source in the future." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 At what level do you consider an Iraqi (etc) a suspect? Enough of a suspect to torture him? Now, would you torture an American citizen at that same level of suspicion? If we're gonna be a symbol of liberty and freedom we should at least be consistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterWhite Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 If we torture radically islamic terrorist, good. Fuck em' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 And your statement has been found to be incorrect. https://www.cgu.edu/...terrogation.pdf http://www.livescien...neffective.html http://en.wikipedia....r_interrogation "FM 34-52 Intelligence Interrogation, the United States Army field manual, explains that torture "is a poor technique that yields unreliable results, may damage subsequent collection efforts, and can induce the source to say what he thinks the interrogator wants to hear."[4] Not only is torture ineffective at gathering reliable information, but it also increases the difficulty of gathering information from a source in the future." All your quotes are horse shit. I'm well aware of the United States Army Field Manual. Spent quite a bit of time in the Military. You read too much into a political release of information that is all it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadbrownsfan Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 All your quotes are horse shit. I'm well aware of the United States Army Field Manual. Spent quite a bit of time in the Military. You read too much into a political release of information that is all it is. Well obviously there is no way I can argue with that level of evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 You offer no evidence, just some politically motivated release of a senate sub committee findings and some wikpedia definitions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted December 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 8 dems and 7 reps make up the Senate Intelligence Committee Steve you torture someone enough and they will tell you anything to get it stop(even if they don't have the info you are looking for) Still what I said and die hard confirmed is true. Also why did the White House insist upon covering some up for public view? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadbrownsfan Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 You offer no evidence, just some politically motivated release of a senate sub committee findings and some wikpedia definitions. Plus two studies that show that torture does not work.. I can always add more if you like such as the University of Texas- https://www.utexas.edu/law/centers/humanrights/events/speaker-series-papers/Hajjar_Does%20Torture%20Work.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 Plus two studies that show that torture does not work.. I can always add more if you like such as the University of Texas- https://www.utexas.edu/law/centers/humanrights/events/speaker-series-papers/Hajjar_Does%20Torture%20Work.pdf Add all you want, I disagree and so does the CIA and people in the know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted December 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 If I honestly didn't know anything of what I was being interrogated for? I'd make shit up. On the other hand if I did know anything I'd spill those beans immediately. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 Plus two studies that show that torture does not work.. I can always add more if you like such as the University of Texas- https://www.utexas.edu/law/centers/humanrights/events/speaker-series-papers/Hajjar_Does%20Torture%20Work.pdf So this college has tried torturing people for information? Doesn't seem very academic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 So this college has tried torturing people for information? Doesn't seem very academic The local homeless people bought lots of Mad Dog after they were paid to be tortured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairHooker11 Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 CIA interogation tactics and methods - bad Obama WH use of drones - good got it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 CIA interogation tactics and methods - bad Obama WH use of drones - good got it Just bomb weddings and avoid making a horrible person think they are drowning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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