CaineDeSoulis Posted January 17, 2017 Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 Other than the top 3 QB's (Kizer,Trubisky,Watson)What are some QB options in the upcoming draft you like if we were to trade/sign a free agent for a QB this offseason?(McCarron/Folk/Garropalo)My Personal Preference is Davis Webb out of Cal, Best Arm in this draft class. Big Frame Listed 6'5" 230. Decent Athleticism.Though I like Patrick Mahomes and Cooper RushUnfortuneatly Luke Falk opted to return to Washington State next year so him and a few other Good QB's wil be available next year aswell. 2018 is looking like a pretty good class of QB's to be honest. Mayfield and Rudolph both returned too school also.I remember somebody out there liking Gunner out of Cincinnati. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 17, 2017 Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 Well, how about we concentrate on getting a real franchise QB before we start worrying about 3rd string developmental QBs. We have one of those in Kessler. Maybe we can get another. But lets get our priorities straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcam222 Posted January 17, 2017 Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 Developmental QB's that pan out are pretty close to as mythical as unicorns. Statistics back that up. It's been posted here before in detail at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted January 17, 2017 Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 Developmental QB's that pan out are pretty close to as mythical as unicorns. Statistics back that up. It's been posted here before in detail at some point.Depends on what you'd call a developmental QB. Is Rodgers considered a developmental QB? Is Dalton? Is Wilson? Is Brady? What about Osweiler, Lynch, or Carr? Bortles? Manziel? What's the line in the sand for "developmental"? Is it based on draft position, current depth chart, team need, or career arc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcam222 Posted January 18, 2017 Report Share Posted January 18, 2017 I think the article I read was based on draft position. Something to the effect that 3rd round and later very rarely pan out as starters. I'm going to have to see if I can find it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcam222 Posted January 18, 2017 Report Share Posted January 18, 2017 This doesn't have the mountain of data but the article is the gist of it. It generally suggests that if they aren't worth drafting in the top 3 rounds they aren't worth drafting if you are targeting a starter. I think even 3rd rounders rarely prove long term success as starter and yes I know there are exceptions. https://www.google.com/amp/www.windycitygridiron.com/platform/amp/2014/5/5/5682014/nfl-draft-developmental-quarterback-myth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 18, 2017 Report Share Posted January 18, 2017 Mining for QBs late is not fertile ground for starters, so it is not the place to look when you do not have a franchise QB in place. But when you have one, then late is the place to shop for back-ups... and some of them become starters. That was the NFL routes for Brady, Wilson, Cousins, Dak and many more. All were drafted to be back-ups. All ended up starting early... some on the pure merit of being the better option (Wilson)... others needing a leg up due to the guy in front of them getting hurt, but then taking charge. It's not the emergence of "exceptions" that keep teams going back and "taking a shot"; it's the search for cheap back-ups when they have a guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 This doesn't have the mountain of data but the article is the gist of it. It generally suggests that if they aren't worth drafting in the top 3 rounds they aren't worth drafting if you are targeting a starter. I think even 3rd rounders rarely prove long term success as starter and yes I know there are exceptions. https://www.google.com/amp/www.windycitygridiron.com/platform/amp/2014/5/5/5682014/nfl-draft-developmental-quarterback-myth What starting QBs in the league right now were taken below the first 3 rounds? I haven't confirmed this by research, but here are a few names that I think fit: Brady, obviously Fitzpatrick? Tyrod Taylor? Cousins Hoyer (Bears?) Trevor Siemian (Romo...if you include him) Prescott Wilson was round 3 Wasn't Osweiler round 3? There could actually be as many as one third of starting QBs in the league who were 3rd round or lower...if you think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 Chad Kelly. IMO he can be a very good Pro. He has some issues with decisionmaking and his mechanics aren't rock solid, but hey, that is why you develop the player. The good is he is aggressive on the field, and can toss the rock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren15 Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 Anyone like Kaaya from Miami ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 Anyone like Kaaya from Miami ? He is likely a 2d/3rd round pick....from what I have seen. But, you never know. Again, with QB hungry teams, he could go higher. Say that the 49ers/Bears/Jets/ or even Browns don't go QB early. He could be a 2d round backup plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 I think we picked up two nice developmental QBs last year, we just need a starter. Hogan was really exciting running around out there like a young Steve Young. He didn't spend camp with us and had no practice reps, so I look forward to seeing how he developes in Hue's system this year. Z Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 Chad Kelly. IMO he can be a very good Pro. He has some issues with decisionmaking and his mechanics aren't rock solid, but hey, that is why you develop the player. The good is he is aggressive on the field, and can toss the rock. See Manziel, John. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 See Manziel, John. http://larrybrownsports.com/football/report-johnny-manziel-dead-serious-about-making-nfl-comeback/345439 So, NOW he is serious. Sure. The Montreal Alouettes need a quarterback. TEAM NEEDS HEADING INTO FREE AGENCY Quarterback -- starting and backup Younger receivers Canadian depth at every position (especially on defence and at receiver) Depth in secondary Depth on offensive line So do Toronto and Ottawa. Lots of partying can be done in those 3 cities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 see Chad Kelly. http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/ole-miss/2016/11/17/photo-puts-ole-miss-chad-kelly-room-marijuana/94055726/ http://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/ole-miss-qb-signee-chad-kelly-reaches-plea-deal-following-arrest/ The Browns have a legit criteria for drafting players. Kelly isn't a fit. Good luck to him getting his life in order but taking the chance on him would be stupid for the Browns. Isn't going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcam222 Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 What starting QBs in the league right now were taken below the first 3 rounds? I haven't confirmed this by research, but here are a few names that I think fit: Brady, obviously Fitzpatrick? Tyrod Taylor? Cousins Hoyer (Bears?) Trevor Siemian (Romo...if you include him) Prescott Wilson was round 3 Wasn't Osweiler round 3? There could actually be as many as one third of starting QBs in the league who were 3rd round or lower...if you think about it. some of those for sure are exceptions. Several listed though in my mind don't qualify as quality starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 some of those for sure are exceptions. Several listed though in my mind don't qualify as quality starters. I was just listing starters, period. Only 32 starting NFL QB jobs in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcam222 Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 I was just listing starters, period. Only 32 starting NFL QB jobs in the world. Yep understood. How many of those were 4th round or later? Seems as though the real drop off is 4th round on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 Yep understood. How many of those were 4th round or later? Seems as though the real drop off is 4th round on. I just listed them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 Yep understood. How many of those were 4th round or later? Seems as though the real drop off is 4th round on. I was just about to bring this up. Removing the beloved example example of Tom Brady, here's guys you can throw into the later round mix as good or looking good QB's Russel Wilson (3rd) Dak Prescott (4th) Kirk Cousins (4th) Tyrod Taylor (6th) So basically one dude in Taylor and of course Brady were 4th or later. Everyone else listed are not people I'd qualify as quality starting QB's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcam222 Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 What you also have to factor in is % success I think. For example what % first round picks "succeed" vs 3rd round etc. that study is on the net somewhere with that exact set of Data including definition of success. Still haven't tracked it down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcam222 Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 10 year Data from February 2015 Now let's look at little closer at the QBs. Of the 122 QBs drafted in the last 10 years only 25 have been starters for at least half of their career. The first round gives you a 63% chance of finding a starter. The second round gives you a 27% chance, the third a 17% chance, then it really plummets from there with 8% in the fourth and 6% in the 7th. In the last 10 years, 38 QBs have been drafted in the 5th and 6th rounds and not one has become a starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 I was just about to bring this up. Removing the beloved example example of Tom Brady, here's guys you can throw into the later round mix as good or looking good QB's Russel Wilson (3rd) Dak Prescott (4th) Kirk Cousins (4th) Tyrod Taylor (6th) So basically one dude in Taylor and of course Brady were 4th or later. Everyone else listed are not people I'd qualify as quality starting QB's. Well, there were only 3 other names. And I am not sure that Siemian is any less "quality" of a starter than Tyrod Taylor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 Chad Kelly. IMO he can be a very good Pro. He has some issues with decisionmaking and his mechanics aren't rock solid, but hey, that is why you develop the player. The good is he is aggressive on the field, and can toss the rock. Yeah I kind of like this kid. His uncle was a little bit of an asshole too but so what? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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