Why do people on the right still get worked up over castro?

[Clevfan4life]

infact, it was the whole reason why the revolution happened in the first place.

[Taco918]

Alright so you want everyone to respect each other and get along. Neat.

 

The only problem is, that's not how people, or nations, work. If anything, the world is better off with a superpower. The world is safer, more stable and more productive, even with all the posturing and "imperialism." The reason why? When there isn't a superpower, there's multiple nations looking to become a superpower.

 

To distill your argument/view/complaints to its most basic form, you are railing against basic human nature. Your hoping for a perfect system in an imperfect world inhabited by imperfect beings.

 

 

 

It is funny you bring up the Monroe Doctrine as an attempt to validate your view of how awful the U.S is. The reason being, it is, by far, my favorite policy (and in my view, one of the most important) in our history. It ensured our dominance of the western hemisphere while limiting any further European movements into the hemisphere. While South American countries might bristle at it, they would've been treated a lot harsher by the Europeans then they were by us. Plus, if we were such horrible colonizers, there'd be quite a few more stars on our flag.

[Clevfan4life]

You are aware that South Americans had already had enough of Europeans too right? Well for sure the indigenous s americans. Did u forget about Spain? And yes life boils down to a choice of two shits I'm well aware.

 

I'm still astounded, in 2016.....people still can't muster up and acknowledge our role in a lot of the worlds turmoil. We did things you would never accept here in the U.S

[Taco918]

Oh I acknowledge our role. If anything, I believe it should be bigger but that's a different discussion for a different day. We don't have a 100% hit rate but I believe we've done more good than bad. Yeah, I wouldn't like it if I lived in some of the places (and am grateful as fuck I live where I do) but I'd also much rather deal with us then with the Russians or Chinese.

[calfoxwc]

Cleve is rambling - too much headphones and John Lennon -

 

"imagine the world is upside down so I can vent like a maniac"

 

 

https://youtu.be/t_YXSHkAahE

[Clevfan4life]

Oh I acknowledge our role. If anything, I believe it should be bigger but that's a different discussion for a different day. We don't have a 100% hit rate but I believe we've done more good than bad. Yeah, I wouldn't like it if I lived in some of the places (and am grateful as fuck I live where I do) but I'd also much rather deal with us then with the Russians or Chinese.

So how hard is it to understand that if u led a righteous revolution against some corrupt cunts and the worlds #1 superpower was salty over it.....you'd be a ruthless mother fucker too. You can bet ur ass, especially after the bay of pigs, that the Rooskies told him all about the CIA and the coups they orchestrated in other parts of the world.

 

Under those circumstances you would do no less to remain in power

[Clevfan4life]

Cleve is rambling E[/url]

I know it's hard to keep up in discussions these days, what with the heimers creepin in more and more everyday.

[Taco918]

So how hard is it to understand that if u led a righteous revolution against some corrupt cunts and the worlds #1 superpower was salty over it.....you'd be a ruthless mother fucker too. You can bet ur ass, especially after the bay of pigs, that the Rooskies told him all about the CIA and the coups they orchestrated in other parts of the world.

 

Under those circumstances you would do no less to remain in power

Righteous? Please. There are multiple ways to deal with corruption with revolution being the most extreme, and usually unnecessary, means to do so.

 

Look, if you want to be delusional and hold him up as some sort of savior, go right ahead man. Were you see a savior, I see a selfish cunt who used and abused his people for decades for his own benefit, attempted to threaten my people, and nearly started WWIII because he was pissy about fucking with the United States of America. Fuck him, fuck his family, and fuck anyone who supports him.

 

Want to know one of the reasons I support normalizing relations with Cuba? So we can tear apart, brick by brick, everything that cocksucker ever built and replace it with glimmering monuments showcasing the the power and greatness of capitalism and the United States of fucking America.

[Clevfan4life]

Righteous? Please. There are multiple ways to deal with corruption with revolution being the most extreme, and usually unnecessary, means to do so.

 

 

 

So im assuming you hold our revolutionaires to that same standard right? Cause you know, they were only salty about their taxes and shit. Whereas Cubans were dealing with being run by the american mob. Cruz himself over the weekend admitted what happened to his dad in a Batista prison. You are going to be consistent then right? So George Washington was an unecessary cunt then right?

[calfoxwc]

That's ignorant, Cleve.

http://www.revolutionary-war.net/causes-of-the-american-revolution.html

[Clevfan4life]

That's ignorant, Cleve.

http://www.revolutionary-war.net/causes-of-the-american-revolution.html

 

per ur own link cal..."The Quartering Act incensed the colonies most. The king and parliament revived an old law requiring colonists to house British soldiers in their homes".

 

causes of the cuban revolution....in the 1950s he proved far more dictatorial and indifferent to popular concerns.[15] While Cuba remained plagued by high unemployment and limited water infrastructure,[16] Batista antagonized the population by forming lucrative links to organized crime and allowing American companies to dominate the Cuban economy.[16][17][18]

 

 

 

geee, it's almost comical the profound differences. Omg we have to feed british soldiers, omg my daughter was kidnapped by human traffickers and forced into prostitution in havana servicing american mafia and/or businessmen. Golly jeepers

[Pumpkin Eater]

"Trump is an asshole, he says mean things. He even once made a sexist remark!"

 

 

 

 

"Castro wasn't too bad. He didn't kill that many people and he only oppressed his people to get back at the big bad United States"

 

 

 

[Taco918]

 

So im assuming you hold our revolutionaires to that same standard right? Cause you know, they were only salty about their taxes and shit. Whereas Cubans were dealing with being run by the american mob. Cruz himself over the weekend admitted what happened to his dad in a Batista prison. You are going to be consistent then right? So George Washington was an unecessary cunt then right?

Yup it was just taxes bud. It sure would've been nice if you spent more time paying attention to U.S history, you know your history, instead of Cuban history but to each their own.

 

If you had paid more attention, you would've realized that our revolutionaires didn't have a superpower right next door who was sensitive to our plight, with the pull to enact change. England was the superpower. I know you're going to start screaming about France but they were far from a superpower at the time. They were in debt up to their eyeballs from the French-Indian War, and ended up having their own revolution shortly after. Hell they didn't give a fuck about us, they were more concerned about knocking England down a peg. So concerned in fact that they were willing to set a dangerous precedent for their own colonies.

 

Now your comrade Castro, if he truly was the savior to his people that you are claiming him to be, would've seen the U.S cutting ties with the Bautista regime as an opportunity to involve the superpower right next door, who was sensitive to the plight of his people, who had the leverage to enact meaningful change, to help his people. He knew that with his ideological leanings that this would never happen, at least not in his favor. So he didn't do so. I mean, what's the point? Why look for a peaceful solution that wouldn't result with him in power? That defeated his purpose. He never cared about his people, he cared about himself.

 

Quite the savior bud.

 

 

Now this is a lesson your comrade never learned, and I'm sure you won't either, but discretion is the better part of valor. Go ahead, look up what it means and don't get back to me. You won't win this fight bud. You backed the wrong horse.

[Clevfan4life]

ur doing the typical steve/cal...i'm not claiming Castro was anybody's savior. I haven't even claimed he was a great guy. I stopped reading after you said i was claiming he was a savior.

[Taco918]

ur doing the typical steve/cal...i'm not claiming Castro was anybody's savior. I haven't even claimed he was a great guy. I stopped reading after you said i was claiming he was a savior.

I bet bud.

[Clevfan4life]

I bet bud.

 

 

read the title of this thread....it asking why people are still so worked up over cuba and castro. Find me where i claimed this guy was Cuba's savior. I stated countless times i'm ambivalent about him. I don't judge people through the bullshit lenses of nationalism that people in all countries have to endure. I'm just enough of a student of history to understand nothings black and white and ur govt will "always" lie to you so you think the way they want you to think.

 

I might be one of the few individually thinking people left on this planet.

[calfoxwc]

one of the most birdsnest thinking people...ya

 

[Taco918]

Being the student of history that you proclaim to be, you shouldn't have needed to start a thread to figure it out.

 

 

You started this thread solely to bitch about the big, bad U.S. By the way, don't get it twisted bud, you aren't thinking, you're bitching. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

Mind you, you are bitching about the same nation that allowed you to become the confused douche bag that you are. I would assume, being the historical scholar you claim to be, that you are familiar with the Crito by Plato, which lays out the logical reasoning for nationalism and is a part of the ideological foundation of our nation, along with many other nations. But, then again you claim, as a "thinking" man, that nationalism is "bullshit."

[calfoxwc]

cleve = https://youtu.be/V8lT1o0sDwI

[Clevfan4life]

Being the student of history that you proclaim to be, you shouldn't have needed to start a thread to figure it out.

 

 

You started this thread solely to bitch about the big, bad U.S. By the way, don't get it twisted bud, you aren't thinking, you're bitching. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

Im telling you right now in no uncertain terms why i started this thread.....it was out of exasperation why we still giveva shit. No more no less end of discussion. Its been going on all week. His passing rated about one day of discussion.

 

But of course the pussy hurt right cannot let it go. And as counterweight ofc the leftists come out with their pro castro bs its all odious as all hell. Ur own statements "i hope we tear it down brick by brick" shows a certain level of psychosis. I mean you were almost losing your shit typing about it. Im sure if this was a more public medium people would see someone start to get the shakes as he kept talking. But even through the typed word one could clearly see how this is some deep rooted shit, its exactly what i saw watching people on tv and is the reason i started this thread.

 

Its a little shit bag sugar producing country thats 90 miles away......i want to scream at people like you WHO GIVES A FUCK SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY. Just let them handle their own business. Its like theres this subset of americans that cant handle when some people somewhere around the globe dont do what we tell em too. And the grudge is for life. I have no doubt on ur death bed you'll be muttering shit like fuck the vietcong lick my ass castro etc,etc,etc.

[calfoxwc]

eh.... what?

 

never mind, bluto.

[Clevfan4life]

I would assume, being the historical scholar you claim to be, that you are familiar with the Crito by Plato, ."

Was he the one that said women only had a quarter soul or was that his shit eating teacher socrates? In anybcase ive read both and color me unimpressed. Im sure indid read what ur referring to, but obviously i didnt give a shit. I distinctly remember thinking why do we fawn over these guys they're hardly worth a damn.

[jbluhm86]

Was he the one that said women only had a quarter soul or was that his shit eating teacher socrates? In anybcase ive read both and color me unimpressed. Im sure indid read what ur referring to, but obviously i didnt give a shit. I distinctly remember thinking why do we fawn over these guys they're hardly worth a damn.

"The only true wisdom is in knowing that you know nothing". - Socrates

[calfoxwc]

http://www.ammoland.com/2016/11/castro/?utm_source=Ammoland+Subscribers&utm_campaign=1574b29be5-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_6f6fac3eaa-1574b29be5-20770865#axzz4RVWyVQi5

[Pumpkin Eater]

"Socrates was a sack of shit, he said something mean about women"

 

"Oh Castro isn't so bad. He only makes women abort their own child if her pregnancy isn't up to government standards. He only does it to get back at the big bad United States"

[Clevfan4life]

"Socrates was a sack of shit, he said something mean about women"

 

"Oh Castro isn't so bad. He only makes women abort their own child if her pregnancy isn't up to government standards. He only does it to get back at the big bad United States"

First off, socrates didnt say something "mean"....he postulated the role of women in society and because of viewpoints like his women were seen as property because after all they werent really humans. Second, for the umpteenth time...find me where i said castro wasntbso bad....find it. Go on zoo monkey, for once do ur due dilligence. Just a few posts ago i said im ambivalent. I dont outright beleive everything thats ever been said about castro because for one im not cuban and havent lived there...and two ive seem too many times now how our society smears and denigrates those that didnt do as we say but supports some of the biggest monsters in human history because they did as we say and bought our weapons and/or perpetuated the petro dollar. I similiar ly dont beleive nor disbeleive things anymore until i more or less see ir exp for myself. And thats why im not a monkey like u.

[Clevfan4life]

Cheers. ☕️

[LogicIsForSquares]

First off, socrates didnt say something "mean"....he postulated the role of women in society and because of viewpoints like his women were seen as property because after all they werent really humans. Second, for the umpteenth time...find me where i said castro wasntbso bad....find it. Go on zoo monkey, for once do ur due dilligence. Just a few posts ago i said im ambivalent. I dont outright beleive everything thats ever been said about castro because for one im not cuban and havent lived there...and two ive seem too many times now how our society smears and denigrates those that didnt do as we say but supports some of the biggest monsters in human history because they did as we say and bought our weapons and/or perpetuated the petro dollar. I similiar ly dont beleive nor disbeleive things anymore until i more or less see ir exp for myself. And thats why im not a monkey like u.

So if you must experience it for yourself to derive an opinion, why did you seem pretty well bent on shitting on the opinions of Cubans who lived through it but just happen to disagree with your assertions?

[Clevfan4life]

So if you must experience it for yourself to derive an opinion, why did you seem pretty well bent on shitting on the opinions of Cubans who lived through it but just happen to disagree with your assertions?

I dont "shit" on them. They're entitled to feel what they wish, obviously their emotions are alot more raw and perhaps their persoectives are based on that. I admittedly have the luxury of being an unbiased observer and am able to judge the situation coming from a more global scale. Obviously someone that was in a castro prison and wasnt even alive during batista, doesnt give a flying fuck what conditions were like before castro...castro is all he knows, and i dont begrudge them that.

 

On the other hand, if i was running the country i couldnt base my foreign policy on those peoples accounts either. I would also acknowledge that alot of what castro did to stay in power was because the russians told him what the CIA was up to. If u take urself out of the american nationalist perspective, you can understand some of his actions. We got paranoid about the japs here in ww2 and rounded em up. Now did we do to them what castros prisons were alleged to have done? Likely not, but guarantee you there were some japanese americans that lost everything who prob wouldnt care for the argument "well at least it wasnt a cuban prison".

[LogicIsForSquares]

I dont "shit" on them. They're entitled to feel what they wish, obviously their emotions are alot more raw and perhaps their persoectives are based on that. I admittedly have the luxury of being an unbiased observer and am able to judge the situation coming from a more global scale. Obviously someone that was in a castro prison and wasnt even alive during batista, doesnt give a flying fuck what conditions were like before castro...castro is all he knows, and i dont begrudge them that.

 

On the other hand, if i was running the country i couldnt base my foreign policy on those peoples accounts either. I would also acknowledge that alot of what castro did to stay in power was because the russians told him what the CIA was up to. If u take urself out of the american nationalist perspective, you can understand some of his actions. We got paranoid about the japs here in ww2 and rounded em up. Now did we do to them what castros prisons were alleged to have done? Likely not, but guarantee you there were some japanese americans that lost everything who prob wouldnt care for the argument "well at least it wasnt a cuban prison".

Again, this isn't an either or proposition. Putting the Japanese in internment camps was bad. Castro was bad. Both are bad.

 

You are defending Castro in this weird way in which you say "whoa I never said he was a good guy but....". Which is like saying "I am not a racist but.." Everything prior to the but flies out the window.