Camp Trubisky

[Canton Dawg]

Trubisky attended Mentor High School in Mentor, Ohio. During his career he passed for 9,126 yards and 92 touchdowns and rushed for 1,559 career yards and 33 touchdowns and was named Mr. Football in Ohio. Trubisky committed to the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill to play college football

I watched Mitch play in a couple of games while he was the QB in Mentor. I thought he was something special then as I do now, BUT as I've said before, the Browns are more than just a QB away from being competitive.

[Browns_Fucking_Rule]

I agree Canton... they need to build a team that can support a qb before putting all their eggs in that basket.

[D Bone]

Welp, sorry for the ruined career, Mitch.

 

Funny! ......... but PoG hit on Carr, so maybe lightning can strike twice.

[Tim Couch Pulls Out]

 

# of starts a college qb has had sort of translates to how well he will do in the pros.

More gleaming gems of advanced statistics like this, please.

[hoorta]

I agree Canton... they need to build a team that can support a qb before putting all their eggs in that basket.

 

That's what the Rams and Eagles did- they thought they were just a qb away and if they're wrong, welcome to suck land. Problem is if you go the build the team first route, you're never going to get a shot at drafting a top qb- unless you get lucky, or sell the farm to move up. How many times have the Browns shopped the Bargain bin for quarterbacks and struck out? Frye, McCoy. Not counting Tim Couch two out of the other three quarterbacks we drafted mid first round had serious warning flags flying. Manziel, Weeden.

 

This is literally the first time since 1999 that the Browns will have their shot at the pick of the litter. Don't screw it up. Looking back, by my count 8 of the last 10 quarterbacks drafted #1 overall have been at least passable. For those who want Garrett- the last time a #1 overall pick defensive player (there haven't been many) has made a significant impact- you have to go back to 1985 with Bruce Smith. OK, the jury is still out on Clowney.

[TexasAg1969]

 

That's what the Rams and Eagles did- they thought they were just a qb away and if they're wrong, welcome to suck land. Problem is if you go the build the team first route, you're never going to get a shot at drafting a top qb- unless you get lucky, or sell the farm to move up. How many times have the Browns shopped the Bargain bin for quarterbacks and struck out? Frye, McCoy. Not counting Tim Couch two out of the other three quarterbacks we drafted mid first round had serious warning flags flying. Manziel, Weeden.

 

This is literally the first time since 1999 that the Browns will have their shot at the pick of the litter. Don't screw it up. Looking back, by my count 8 of the last 10 quarterbacks drafted #1 overall have been at least passable. For those who want Garrett- the last time a #1 overall pick defensive player (there haven't been many) has made a significant impact- you have to go back to 1985 with Bruce Smith. OK, the jury is still out on Clowney.

 

Only 7 D players have been taken 1 overall from 1986 to now, so that skews the stats a bit. Two had injury plagued careers, another had multiple pro bowls and another had multiple Superbowl wins. Clowney is the 7th and he seems too be doing better now that injuries have been addressed. Only one could be considered an outright bust (Audray Bruce) not due to injuries. Then there is Wilkinson. I'll let you OSU fans be the jurors on that guy.

[gftChris]

 

That's what the Rams and Eagles did- they thought they were just a qb away and if they're wrong, welcome to suck land. Problem is if you go the build the team first route, you're never going to get a shot at drafting a top qb- unless you get lucky, or sell the farm to move up. How many times have the Browns shopped the Bargain bin for quarterbacks and struck out? Frye, McCoy. Not counting Tim Couch two out of the other three quarterbacks we drafted mid first round had serious warning flags flying. Manziel, Weeden.

 

This is literally the first time since 1999 that the Browns will have their shot at the pick of the litter. Don't screw it up. Looking back, by my count 8 of the last 10 quarterbacks drafted #1 overall have been at least passable. For those who want Garrett- the last time a #1 overall pick defensive player (there haven't been many) has made a significant impact- you have to go back to 1985 with Bruce Smith. OK, the jury is still out on Clowney.

Another way to look at it is who have the best players been from each draft, if you did a redraft who would be number 1? You have to think Watt, Mack, and others have a shot at that in their respective drafts.

[CaineDeSoulis]

Derek Carr and Cam Newton go number 1 in their respective drafts pretty easily. There are not many redrafts that have defensive players going number 1 for the same reason you don't see franchise QB's hitting free agency. Positional Value of the QB is so much higher than any other position.

[jiggins7919]

Can anyone saying Mitch isn't worthy of his current prospect ranking explain to me why he isn't?

 

Because, up until this point, the only things I've seen are "he's not as good as Goff was last year" or "he only has one year of playing time". And frankly, one of them is flat out wrong and the other is Retard.

 

Mitch is far from a "home run" in many people's minds, and there are three main reasons for this:

 

1. He's only started one season. That doesn't MEAN he's not good, but certainly an NFL team would prefer to have more experience if taking somebody THAT high in draft.

 

2. He displays inconsistent footwork, especially under pressure. He has a tendency to throw off back foot, or just get lazy at times...affecting his accuracy.

 

3. He plays in a somewhat "niche" offense. Lots of shotgun snaps, read-option plays, jet sweeps, and the like. From what I've seen, it's some form of spread offense, and that worries NFL scouts. Spread offenses in college don't necessarily mean the QB won't enjoy success in the NFL, but typically it takes some time to adjust to playing under center. I'm not 100% sure if Mitch goes under center now, or what the ratio is to shotgun. So I could be wrong about him mainly being in the gun.

 

Mitch is the only QB prospect I like with our first pick, and there's an outside chance he won't come out. I think the chance is next to none, as he's the top rated passer, and certainly destined to be taken VERY high. Additionally, we've seen several QB's in the last ten years who elected to stay in college, and actually hurt their projected draft status. Matt Barkely, Jake Locker, and several others have lost significant money. Probably Cardale too.

 

That being said, there's a lot to like about Mitch, starting with his actual DESIRE to play for our team. That might not sound like a big deal, but it kind of is to me. He's also got nice size, speed, and an accurate, decently strong arm. One thing though...if I was the team drafting Mitch, I'd also figure out a way to draft his slot receiver, Switzer (I think). He's a little white guy that Mitch goes to all the time on third down, and even though he's small, he's a damn handful to cover. I could see him taking over Andrew Hawkins' place on our roster, and it would save us money. I'm not sure what year Switzer is, but he plays like an older player. It would give us the slot receiver we need, as well as providing Mitch with a layer of comfort.

[Tour2ma]

Dak Prescott is having success because he is on a stacked team. If Dak played for the Browns... he would look a lot like Kevin Hogan does right now.

 

With all due respect to your Carr call, which you have earned... ummmmm.... no.

 

Certainly true that he has better personnel around him than we have, especially in front of him given our injuries, but even on a team as bad as we are Dak's "it" factor would be felt. Doesn't mean that we'd be 11-1 as the 'Boys are, but I doubt we'd be 0-fer either.

 

More gleaming gems of advanced statistics like this, please.

 

One year's performance simply means that the variance, the risk is greater that what we see is less likely to represent a floor at the NFL level. While Mitch has seen game time in his two previous seasons, he has only started this year.

 

Who among the league's top QBs started only one year in college? Who among starting QBs?

 

I was going to leave the questions hanging, but got curious so using wiki's list of "Current NFL Starters" as a link launching point... I give you the answer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_starting_quarterbacks_in_the_National_Football_League

 

Greats are in bold. Near greats/ Promising young guns are in Italics. All designations are simply IMO.

 

AFCE: Taylor 2+yrs; Tannehill 1.5; Brady 2; Fitz 2+

AFCN: Flacco 2; Dalton 4; McC 2+; Ben 3 ............ RG3 2+

AFCS: Tolzien 2; Bortles 2; Osweiler 1+; Mariotta 3 ..... Luck 3

AFCW: Siemian 2+; Smith 2; Carr 2; Rivers 4

 

NFCE: Prescott 3; E. Manning 3+; Wentz 2-ish; Cousins 3

NFCN: Cutler 4; Stafford 3+; Rodgers 2; Bradford 2+;

NFCS: Ryan 2+; Newton 2 (1 JuCo); Brees 2+; Winston 2

NFCW: Palmer 3; Goff 3; Kaep 4; Wilson 3+

 

Clearly multiple years of college starting does not guarantee NFL success, but the near absence of even "1+" QB starters is a cautionary note. At a minimum I think you'd agree that a one-year starter would need more time to develop as a Pro with preferably at least one year of OJT as a #2, if not a #3.

 

Granted that Mitch could be an exception, but of the two, nearest NFL examples you have, Tannehill and Osweiler, which do you spend an overall #1 on?

[Babernakle]

Absolutely not! We don't need another qb to stand back there and get put on the IR. No qbs till the lines fixed.

[jiggins7919]

I tell you what, the more I look at the draft, the more I see some possibilities for us getting Garrett and Trubisky. It will obviously cost us some draft picks, but it doesn't appear completely impossible. We basically have to hope that Kizer's stock gets hot, and then we have to hope that one of the 49's or Bears takes Jonathan Allen instead of a QB. Once you get past the third pick, there is a range of teams all the way to 9th that won't be taking QB...possibly higher. The Cardinals have the 9th pick (at this time, obviously) and they MAY take a QB as Palmer grows older and less efficient. Trading up from around 15 to 8 or 9...that's not impossible, and that wouldn't cost as much as people might think.

[Tour2ma]

Trading up from around 15 to 8 or 9...that's not impossible, and that wouldn't cost as much as people might think.

 

True since "most people" are talking about moving all the way up to #2...

[thenew23]

Absolutely not! We don't need another qb to stand back there and get put on the IR. No qbs till the lines fixed.

 

And what all needs fixed?

 

I'm pretty sure we just need to get a decent Center, and keep our other guys healthy. Thomas/Bitonio/Greco/Pasztor that's not that bad of a group. Hell, Coleman and Drango will have a year under their belt and may win starting jobs next year if they get stronger and stay healthy. Maybe our staff can get the 1st round talent out of J.Cooper... he may start next week, so we might see.

 

I would argue it's the QBs holding onto the ball too long that's getting them in trouble, which also gets the O-line in trouble with injuries and holding penalties as they have to hold blocks longer.

 

I've seen great QB's perform at a high level with even less time than ours. Turbisky is one example. He spent all year with less time than any Browns QB, and yet look at the numbers he put up... granted that's in college. Another one is Andrew Luck. He may not be setting the world on fire, but the Colts are sure as hell doing better than we are, despite a weak o-line...

 

You can't just blame all the injuries on the O-line...

[thenew23]

The one-year starter thing does not scare me off at all. Look at Tannehill... he was a converted WR who had VERY little QB experience. It took a few more years than you would like, but now his team is 7-4, he threw for over 4,000 yards with a +65% comp in 2015, and this year he has thrown for over 2,500 yds, @ 66% with a 94.7 QB rating.

 

He may have started off a little rocky, but now it looks like they got the franchise QB they wanted.

[jiggins7919]

The one year of starting doesn't necessarily turn me off, but of course I'd RATHER see how he progresses from one year to the next. So much of this guy just makes sense. What are the odds of us making a splash in free agency for a pass rusher? Sure, you have to overpay out the ass for them, but we're built for that now.

 

I don't know, I just want a reason for optimism. I want something fun to talk about. Feels like I'm reaching for just about anything now. I hate watching our offense, and I agree with previous posters...our QB's all have held onto the ball too long. The question is...why? I know a large part of it has to do with NO running game. Our team doesn't get hardly ANY of the easy play-action passes that so many others get. None of the bootleg plays that we see so much. Everything seems so hard for us.

 

*grumble*

[The Gipper]

Trubisky attended Mentor High School in Mentor, Ohio. During his career he passed for 9,126 yards and 92 touchdowns and rushed for 1,559 career yards and 33 touchdowns and was named Mr. Football in Ohio. Trubisky committed to the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill to play college football

This would all mean nothing if the kid were a stiff. But he is not, quite the opposite from all appearances.

[The Gipper]

I watched Mitch play in a couple of games while he was the QB in Mentor. I thought he was something special then as I do now, BUT as I've said before, the Browns are more than just a QB away from being competitive.

Absolutely, certainly. But starting with a QB could help. Having a stout OL in front of him is mandatory...so they HAVE to address that. FA/Draft.

 

And,yes, this defense needs like an additional 3 stud players.

[The Gipper]

I agree Canton... they need to build a team that can support a qb before putting all their eggs in that basket.

ALL their eggs won't be in that basket. Just one big egg....the #1 overall. But there are a lot of other eggs. Maybe as high as #9. #33...possibly around #45, #65.

 

So, one egg will be on top....but there are other eggs.

 

 

[The Gipper]

I tell you what, the more I look at the draft, the more I see some possibilities for us getting Garrett and Trubisky. It will obviously cost us some draft picks, but it doesn't appear completely impossible. We basically have to hope that Kizer's stock gets hot, and then we have to hope that one of the 49's or Bears takes Jonathan Allen instead of a QB. Once you get past the third pick, there is a range of teams all the way to 9th that won't be taking QB...possibly higher. The Cardinals have the 9th pick (at this time, obviously) and they MAY take a QB as Palmer grows older and less efficient. Trading up from around 15 to 8 or 9...that's not impossible, and that wouldn't cost as much as people might think.

Why do you think that Garrett would last until 8 or 9.

[The Gipper]

 

And what all needs fixed?

 

I'm pretty sure we just need to get a decent Center, and keep our other guys healthy. Thomas/Bitonio/Greco/Pasztor that's not that bad of a group. Hell, Coleman and Drango will have a year under their belt and may win starting jobs next year if they get stronger and stay healthy. Maybe our staff can get the 1st round talent out of J.Cooper... he may start next week, so we might see.

 

I would argue it's the QBs holding onto the ball too long that's getting them in trouble, which also gets the O-line in trouble with injuries and holding penalties as they have to hold blocks longer.

 

I've seen great QB's perform at a high level with even less time than ours. Turbisky is one example. He spent all year with less time than any Browns QB, and yet look at the numbers he put up... granted that's in college. Another one is Andrew Luck. He may not be setting the world on fire, but the Colts are sure as hell doing better than we are, despite a weak o-line...

 

You can't just blame all the injuries on the O-line...

Well, yes the OL needs SOME fixing....but there certainly are still some quality players there. Thing is, with an OL, it is no better usually than its weakest link.

We have one major weak link: Erving. Injuries hve weakened the line somewhat....and another FA OL perhaps is in order.

But, its not like we have to get a whole new 5 guys. Bito back and 1 or 2 others. is what it will take.

[hoorta]

 

And what all needs fixed?

 

I'm pretty sure we just need to get a decent Center, and keep our other guys healthy. Thomas/Bitonio/Greco/Pasztor that's not that bad of a group. Hell, Coleman and Drango will have a year under their belt and may win starting jobs next year if they get stronger and stay healthy. Maybe our staff can get the 1st round talent out of J.Cooper... he may start next week, so we might see.

 

I would argue it's the QBs holding onto the ball too long that's getting them in trouble, which also gets the O-line in trouble with injuries and holding penalties as they have to hold blocks longer.

 

I've seen great QB's perform at a high level with even less time than ours. Turbisky is one example. He spent all year with less time than any Browns QB, and yet look at the numbers he put up... granted that's in college. Another one is Andrew Luck. He may not be setting the world on fire, but the Colts are sure as hell doing better than we are, despite a weak o-line...

 

You can't just blame all the injuries on the O-line...

 

Need a center? Did you say center? Buckeye Homer Central- I want this guy. http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/pat_elflein_807139.html

 

Not totally homerism, he does have some credentials.... http://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/pat-elflein-named-outland-trophy-finalist/

 

Nothing like having a "Elf" on the Browns. Can play guard too. Problem is he might not last until pick #33.

[The Gipper]

 

Need a center? Did you say center? Buckeye Homer Central- I want this guy. http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/pat_elflein_807139.html

 

Not totally homerism, he does have some credentials.... http://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/pat-elflein-named-outland-trophy-finalist/

 

Nothing like having a "Elf" on the Browns. Can play guard too. Problem is he might not last until pick #33.

Yes, please.

[thenew23]

We do have 4 picks in the first 2 rounds. They "should" all be starter quality. A QB, OC, OLB, and maybe a CB. "Could" make a huge impact... I doubt we do much in FA other than resign Pryor and Crowell.

[Orion]

The OL needs fixing, yes....but how far off is it?

Bitonio should be back next year.

We had a center play pretty decently for us before getting hurt and going on IR. (Austin Reiter)

There's free agency and plenty of draft picks.

[Tour2ma]

The one-year starter thing does not scare me off at all. Look at Tannehill... he was a converted WR who had VERY little QB experience. It took a few more years than you would like, but now his team is 7-4, he threw for over 4,000 yards with a +65% comp in 2015, and this year he has thrown for over 2,500 yds, @ 66% with a 94.7 QB rating.

 

He may have started off a little rocky, but now it looks like they got the franchise QB they wanted.

 

Yeah... pffft... Ryan only threw for just shy of 8000 yards as a two-year starter in High School, had 20 starts at A&M. You call that experience?

 

And it only took him 4 years to get to "good" in the NFL. We can wait...

 

 

Should I have put the above in pink as well?

[Taco918]

More gleaming gems of advanced statistics like this, please.

I don't have a link but I remember what Horta is talking about. I remember because it was an issue with Sanchez when his coach (I want to say it was Carroll but not positive) made a big hoopla that he didn't stay at USC for another year.

 

 

Obviously I don't remember those stats off the top of my head but, if I recall correctly, it was an extremely negitive correlation. When I say a negative correlation, I mean no positives results. Granted, I'm sure the sample size was very small, but it made enough of an impression on me to where it makes me hesitant.

[wargograw]

 

Yeah... pffft... Ryan only threw for just shy of 8000 yards as a two-year starter in High School, had 20 starts at A&M. You call that experience?

 

And it only took him 4 years to get to "good" in the NFL. We can wait...

 

 

Should I have put the above in pink as well?

Yeah, he was a QB his entire life. Came to campus as a QB. Practiced with the QBs even while playing receiver. He only played receiver because a new head coach brought in the WCO to a triple option team that had no receivers.

[TexasAg1969]

 

Need a center? Did you say center? Buckeye Homer Central- I want this guy. http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/pat_elflein_807139.html

 

Not totally homerism, he does have some credentials.... http://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/pat-elflein-named-outland-trophy-finalist/

 

Nothing like having a "Elf" on the Browns. Can play guard too. Problem is he might not last until pick #33.

 

I could live with either him or Pocic from LSU. Likely have to be our highest 2nd rounder, depending upon where that 2nd one is and who has been taken already.

 

Walterfootball has the Elf going as a guard instead of as center. Sounds versatile anyway.

[Westside Steve]

 

I could live with either him or Pocic from LSU. Likely have to be our highest 2nd rounder, depending upon where that 2nd one is and who has been taken already.

 

Walterfootball has the Elf going as a guard instead of as center. Sounds versatile anyway.

So did Cam Erving.

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