darubes Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Browns' Gilbert struggles mightily in Bills scrimmage11 By Marc Sessler Around the NFL Writer Published: Aug. 17, 2015 at 05:08 p.m. Updated: Aug. 17, 2015 at 05:39 p.m. Justin Gilbert has used the word "flawless" to describe his play this summer, but the second-yearBrowns cornerback has been anything but over the past week. After being scorched by Redskins receiver Pierre Garcon in Thursday's preseason loss to Washington, Gilbert -- last year's No. 8 overall pick -- struggled mightily in Monday's scrimmage against the Buffalo Bills. FANTASY DRAFT KIT Top 10 lists: Sleepers | Busts | Bargains Prospects: 2nd year quarterbacks Sophomore running backs 3rd year wide receivers More: Mock drafts NFL Fantasy LIVE podcast! Nate Ulrich of the Akron Beacon Journal noted that Gilbert had a "nightmare of a practice," even with Buffalo holding Percy Harvin and Sammy Watkins out of 7-on-7 and 11-on-11 sessions. Gilbert unofficially allowed an outrageous 11 receptions, per Ulrich, giving up four balls in one-on-one drills, one in 7-on-7s and six in 11-on-11s. "Gilbert didn't break up a single pass and surrendered a catch every time he was targeted," wrote Ulrich, who claimed that he's "never seen such a rough day." "That's the life of a corner," coach Mike Pettine told reporters. "You have to have that short-term memory and be able to bounce back from a play. The best corners are confident corners, and that's something that comes from having success. And if he's in a little bit of a slump, it's on him. We have to help him, but he has to play his way out of it." Pettine said the team won't "overreact" to Gilbert's on-field funk, saying: "You get them to stay true to their technique. When guys get in trouble, it's when their technique starts to slip. They start to do things out of structure to overcompensate. To me, it's a trust thing. Trust his own athletic ability, trust what we're telling him and just go out and take it play to play." Gilbert entered training camp amid streams of praise from coaches and teammates. Browns Pro Bowl cornerback Joe Haden in March called Gilbert a "very, very talented player" on his way to "growing up." Gilbert acknowledged that his disastrous rookie season "pretty much humbled me a lot," while his improved work ethic led secondary coach Jeff Hafley to say that the first-rounder "can start this year and play and help us win games." Watch out-of-market games It's never really been about Gilbert's athletic gifts. He has all the tools to succeed, but has yet to show it on the field. Playing press cover in Pettine's Rex Ryan-esque defense is no easy chore, but the Browns don't have time to wait around for the light to go on. The good news for Cleveland is that free-agent signee Tramon Williams has delivered as a starter across from Haden. Second-year defender Hungry to build a winner, Cleveland's depth chart is based on meritocracy under Pettine. In the coach's first season, hard-working veterans and productive undrafted players started over a rash of first-rounders and expensive additions. The Browns desperately need their collection of high draft picks to grow into assets -- like, today -- but if Gilbert can't cut it, he isn't going to see the field come September. The latest Around The NFL Podcast breaks down Week 1 of the preseason and kicks off a week's worth of spectacular fantasy insight. PREVIOUS ARTICLENEXT ARTICLE "CJ2K to Cardinals..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 uh, ok and what do you say the browns do about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darubes Posted August 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 uh, ok and what do you say the browns do about it? Duh..Put him on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 These things snowball. Especially for the highly touted guys. Continually ragging on them ensures they're going to bust. That's my opinion. If fans just take a wait and see approach then you are more likely to see him succeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Shame because Tramon has said Gilbert has put himself in some good positions to make plays but hasn't capitalized. I'll withhold too much judgement until we get into the season. Holding up in 1on1 consistently is a mother without a pass rush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Dawg Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Duh..Put him on the bench. I would make him the designated KR/PR. He's does a decent job in that dept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Gilbert is reminding me of an episode of "Everybody Loves Raymond". Ray's brother was getting married, and Ray gave him some advice on what he did when he got married. He said to screw up so much, that she won't ask you to do all this getting ready for the wedding stuff. And his brother did, except Ray's Wife found out. Gilbert seems to be that guy. Screwing up coverages so he won't have to start. He certainly didn't play like he has no clue when he was college....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/08/17/monday-was-apparently-not-a-good-day-for-browns-cb-justin-gilbert/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs All this leaves Gilbert twisting in the wind a bit, exacerbating the negative attention surrounding him after he was disciplined by the team on multiple occasions during the year, with a penchant for missing or being late to team meetings. He plays like he's upset he isn't allowed to be late or miss team meetings like he did in college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 These things snowball. Especially for the highly touted guys. Continually ragging on them ensures they're going to bust. That's my opinion. If fans just take a wait and see approach then you are more likely to see him succeed. Ahhh, the poor little fella. Maybe we should all send him Valentines Day candies wrapped in a "You're doing great" ribbon. BTW, that +1 rep on your post is from me when I accidentally hit it instead of 'quote' - you're welcome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Duh..Put him on the bench. well you didn't say that. you just posted someone's article with the title 'the worst he's ever seen'. in that line of talk why don't we just cut him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Remember this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Manziel:gilbert.jpgRemember this? Still a better draft than 2012. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Manziel:gilbert.jpgRemember this? Pick your poison: Luckily ... in between, there was Mingo! Franchise savior. Z Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownsKidd Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 If he's getting scorched like he is... Stop rewarding the play by letting him play with the first team. IMO, the coaching staff isn't doing him any favors by letting him play. They are rewarding the draft pick and not the drafted player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 only way to get better is to practice. maybe this is the 'do or die' evaluation pettine and co. are putting him through? i mean they are still trying to figure out their depth charts. also he's prob getting time with the ones because everyone else is not playing or suiting up for these preseason games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 only way to get better is to practice. maybe this is the 'do or die' evaluation pettine and co. are putting him through? i mean they are still trying to figure out their depth charts. also he's prob getting time with the ones because everyone else is not playing or suiting up for these preseason games. Haden, Desir and K. Williams are not practising for various reasons - even if Gilbert is #5 on the depth chart, that still puts him as the starter today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 I think the good news in all this is that Pettine has consistently shown he's going to play the best players on the team. If Gilbert keeps it up at the rate he's going (and IMO he looked awful in the first preseason game) I know Pettine won't cave to having the 1st rounder in there. Thank goodness we have a lot of quality depth at the position, but at this point make him a KR and let the better guys on the team get reps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Duh..Put him on the bench. ....thats where he is.....and has been the whole time......duh These things snowball. Especially for the highly touted guys. Continually ragging on them ensures they're going to bust. That's my opinion. If fans just take a wait and see approach then you are more likely to see him succeed. Ahhhh....but he was dumb enough to go and get himself drafted in the top 10.....thats his fault.....so now, he gets what he deserves.... Seriously tho......Your point rings true...because this "terrible" practice is strangely following on the heels of that game where he made a couple bad plays, then was roasted for a week because of it.....looks like his confidence took another serious hit this week..... If he's getting scorched like he is... Stop rewarding the play by letting him play with the first team. IMO, the coaching staff isn't doing him any favors by letting him play. They are rewarding the draft pick and not the drafted player. I dont see that at all.....if they were rewarding the draft pick, wouldnt he be starting?......how is sitting on the bench for a year a reward? Bottom line, while he isnt doing well, he is still better than those behind him...... The only way to improve is reps....so, I say play him as much as possible during preseason.....nothing to lose and a lot to gain.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Pick your poison: Luckily ... in between, there was Mingo! Franchise savior. Z No, luckily we have Danny Shelton and Cam Erving. I mean, its not possible that the Browns could blow 7 consecutive first round picks, is it? By the way.....Mingo is listed at third string OLB on the Ourlads depth chart....behind Scott Solomon and undrafted FA Mike Reilly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 By the way.....Mingo is listed at third string OLB on the Ourlads depth chart....behind Scott Solomon and undrafted FA Mike Reilly. Only because he's injured.......the injured players are listed last on that chart....Desir, Duke, Mingo, Bowe, Pryor, Winn, etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 ....thats where he is.....and has been the whole time......duh Ahhhh....but he was dumb enough to go and get himself drafted in the top 10.....thats his fault.....so now, he gets what he deserves.... Seriously tho......Your point rings true...because this "terrible" practice is strangely following on the heels of that game where he made a couple bad plays, then was roasted for a week because of it.....looks like his confidence took another serious hit this week..... I dont see that at all.....if they were rewarding the draft pick, wouldnt he be starting?......how is sitting on the bench for a year a reward? Bottom line, while he isnt doing well, he is still better than those behind him...... The only way to improve is reps....so, I say play him as much as possible during preseason.....nothing to lose and a lot to gain.... 2014 Gilbert 14 games | 2 starts | 1 INT | 8 Passes defensed | 25 Tackles | 2 Approximate Season Value 2014 Williams 13 games | 4 starts | 0 INT | 8 Passes defensed | 29 Tackles | 1 sack | 2 Approximate Season Value How is he better than those behind him? Williams had nearly an identical season production-wise...and he didn't cost us a first round pick. If Gilbert was better than those behind him, he'd be playing better than those behind him. But he's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 How is he better than those behind him? Williams had nearly an identical season production-wise...and he didn't cost us a first round pick. And everyone is raving about Williams....so, if they had identical seasons, how is one great while the other sucks?..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Ex-pec-ta-tions??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Ex-pec-ta-tions??? correct-o-mundo.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Seriously tho......Your point rings true...because this "terrible" practice is strangely following on the heels of that game where he made a couple bad plays, then was roasted for a week because of it.....looks like his confidence took another serious hit this week... And maybe, just maybe that is by design? Break him down before build him up? It's clear from the "flawless" comment that there's a reality gap. No doubt the staff has been telling him for over a year how to close it, but he's not gotten the message. Perhaps that is because he actually believes he's doing well, that he's improving. The latter being the message he has been getting from teammates. Maybe now the approach is to let him fail big time, fail completely in situations that do not hurt the team in a last-ditch effort to try to get thru to him. Maybe even make him ask for help. It's an approach that can't hurt... ... and it seems to be working with a certain young QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 And maybe, just maybe that is by design? Break him down before build him up? It's clear from the "flawless" comment that there's a reality gap. No doubt the staff has been telling him for over a year how to close it, but he's not gotten the message. Perhaps that is because he actually believes he's doing well, that he's improving. The latter being the message he has been getting from teammates. Maybe now the approach is to let him fail big time, fail completely in situations that do not hurt the team in a last-ditch effort to try to get thru to him. Maybe even make him ask for help. It's an approach that can't hurt... ... and it seems to be working with a certain young QB. Wouldnt surprise me......I know Pettine and Rexy scripted most of the practice.....sooooo, maybe Rex is filling a request from his buddy.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 And everyone is raving about Williams....so, if they had identical seasons, how is one great while the other sucks?..... Because one is having a garbage preseason and the other isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 And maybe, just maybe that is by design? Break him down before build him up? It's clear from the "flawless" comment that there's a reality gap. No doubt the staff has been telling him for over a year how to close it, but he's not gotten the message. Perhaps that is because he actually believes he's doing well, that he's improving. The latter being the message he has been getting from teammates. Maybe now the approach is to let him fail big time, fail completely in situations that do not hurt the team in a last-ditch effort to try to get thru to him. Maybe even make him ask for help. It's an approach that can't hurt... ... and it seems to be working with a certain young QB. I like the thought of that and, if it is indeed the case, it would put Rex Ryan near the top of my list when it comes to great coaches and individuals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 When discussing the differences in seasons from corner back to corner back, its usually best to compare stats that highlight the talent differences. Avg opposing QB completion %, YPC, YPRR would be a better fit than tackles and INT's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 I like the thought of that and, if it is indeed the case, it would put Rex Ryan near the top of my list when it comes to great coaches and individuals. Rex Ryan is quietly (figuratively) one of the best coaches in the NFL IMO. A little off topic but seriously consider the guy took Mark Sanchez to two AFC championships. Mark the butt fumbler Sanchez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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