WalterWhite Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 Orisis, The Quran and The Bible as well are full of violent, hateful, and disturbing images and the fact you defend it and say I'm taking it out of context... NO I'M NOT, IT LITERALLY FUCKING SAYS THESE THINGS but like most religious morons you deny facts. Faith>Facts in your world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterWhite Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 Explain this one ya dumbass. Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiris Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 Yeah, I'm a scientist, so yep, I like facts. Fact is, you don't appear to even understand the concept of context. It means you are taking one-line quotes and leaving the stuff out that makes it clear these quotes refer to historical events and are not commandments that Muslims are expected to follow literally today. It's like reading Snow White and saying all old women are commanded to give poisoned apples to young brunettes. The Quran is a narrative not a freaking instruction manual to be taken literally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterWhite Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 Yeah, I'm a scientist, so yep, I like facts. Fact is, you don't appear to even understand the concept of context. It means you are taking one-line quotes and leaving the stuff out that makes it clear these quotes refer to historical events and are not commandments that Muslims are expected to follow literally today. It's like reading Snow White and saying all old women are commanded to give poisoned apples to young brunettes. The Quran is a narrative not a freaking instruction manual to be taken literally. 1. I don't need a religious D-BAG like you who believes in fairy tales to translate the text for me. 2. Then why do all Islamic countries enforce these laws and take them literally. (Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran) Why are women to be covered up in this country which is what they do? Once again, you are so fucked in the head with that religion... WHY DO MUSLIM WOMEN COVER UP IN THOSE COUNTRIES IF THEY DON'T TAKE THE QURAN LITERALLY? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterWhite Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 If Muslims don't take the Quran literally than can you please explain the following: 9/11 The Boston Marathon The London Underground Bombings The Madrid Train Bombing The Moscow Airport attack The Mumbai Hotel incident The 1993 Trade Center Bombings killing 6 The 1998 US Embassy Bombings killing 46 The 2000 Christmas Eve Indonesia Bombings killing 18 The 2000 USS Cole Bombing in Yemen killing 17 US Sailors The 2001 Sbarrao Restaurant suicide bombing killing 15 in Iseral, The Suicide Attack on Indian Parliament killing 7 in 2001, The Cafe Moment bombing killing 11 in Jerusalem in 2002 The 2002 Suicide Bomb on Passover at The Seder Hotel killing 30 The 2002 Attacks on The hindu Temple in Raghunath killing 25 The 2002 Bombing in al-Arbaa Algeria killing 49 The 2002 Megiddo Junction bombing killing 17 The 2002 Patt Junction Bus Bombing killing 19 The 2002 Machine Gun attack killing 31 in Ahmedabad, India The 2002 Bombing in Bali at a nightclub killing 202 The 2002 Moscow Theater Crisis killing 170 The 2003 Tel Aviv Bus Station Massacre killing 23 The 2003 Casablanca Attacks killing 33 The 2003 Shmuel HaNavi Bus Bominb killing 23 The 2003 Maxim restaurant suicide booming in Haifa killing 21 The 2004 Madrid Train Bombing killing 191 The 2004 Beslan School crises killing 344 Civilians and 186 school Children The 2004 Sinai bombing killing 34 The 2004 Sinai bombing killing 34 in Egypt The 2005 Bombings in London Underground killing 53 The 2005 Bomb attack in Sharm el -Sheik killing 64 The 2005 Delhi bombings killing over 60 The 2005 Amman bombing killing over 60 The 2006 Varanasi bombings killing 28 The 2006 Mumbai Train Bombings killing 209 The 2008 Bosaso Bombings killing 25 The 2008 Ahmedabad bombings killing 56 The 2008 Mogadishu bombings killing 21 The 2008 Bombings in New Delhi killing 30 The 2008 Bombings kill at least 175 in Mumbia The 2009 Beledweyne bombing killing 35 Baghdad Bombings killing 155 The 2009 Peshawar Bombing killing 110 Women The 2009 Hotel Shamo bombing In Mogadishu killing 25 The 2010 Lakki Pakistand car bombing killing 100 people The 2012 Baghdad bombings killing 73 by the Islamic State of Iraq The 2010 Pune India Bombing killing 17 peopleMali The Kidnapping of 33 girls by Boko Haram in Nigeria The execution of Hayam Nariah in Sudan for Apstocay The beheading of Lee Rigby The beheading of James Foley The beheading of British Journalist ISIS raping and murdering everything in their path Mali Bali Northern Nigeria Sudan Saudi Arabia Iran Iraq Afganistahn Yemen Pakistan Death for Apostacy Death for Blasphemy Death for Adultery Death for Homosexuality Gender Segregation Gender Discrimination Unequal Testimony between men and women in legal proceedings Imprisonment for being raped No Freedom of Speech No Freedom of Religion No Freedom of The Press No Freedom of Education No Dogs No Music No Science No Art No Alcohol No sex Forced reading of The Quran in elementary schools Forced Child Marriages of Pre-Pubesent girls Forced Genital Circurmcision of 140 MILLION young females Gang Rapes Stonings Beheadings Polygamous Marriages Consent not needing to marry the bride Anti-SemItism In Saudi Arabia (the birthplace of Islam) a women is not aloud to drive, she is not allowed to leave the house, she is not allowed to vote, The Rape, Torture, and Murder of 28 year old Tarenah Mousavi for questioning election results. The slaughter of Theo Von Goff on the Streets of Amsterdam The execution of 2 Pakistani sisters dancing in the rain because females dancing is forbidden under Sharia Law The Muslim Cleric who raped and killed his own daughter Muslims Patrols in East London saying you must obey Sharia Law and chanting The British police should go to hell. The calling for the death of South Park creators Trey Parker and Matt Stone The calling for the death of Family Guy creator Seth McFarlane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterWhite Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 Here is a woman being stoned to death for not marrying her cousin. The decision was from a court in Pakistan. http://www.reuters.com/video/2014/05/28/graphic-images-pakistani-woman-stoned-to?videoId=313111535 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterWhite Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 Here are some Syrian Rebels beheading some Christians http://www.military.com/video/operations-and-strategy/battles/syrian-rebels-behead-christians/2525038454001/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 For all those - Cysko, I'm looking at you - who are saying "I'd respect Islam more if they spoke out about ISIS" http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/24/muslim-scholars-islamic-state_n_5878038.html I'm sure some are allergic to following a huffington post link (I jest, people are just lazy) so here's the first several paragraphs. WASHINGTON (RNS) More than 120 Muslim scholars from around the world joined an open letter to the “fighters and followers” of the Islamic State, denouncing them as un-Islamic by using the most Islamic of terms. Relying heavily on the Quran, the 18-page letter released Wednesday (Sept. 24) picks apart the extremist ideology of the militants who have left a wake of brutal death and destruction in their bid to establish a transnational Islamic state in Iraq and Syria. Even translated into English, the letter will still sound alien to most Americans, said Nihad Awad, executive director of the Council of American-Islamic Relations, who released it in Washington with 10 other American Muslim religious and civil rights leaders. “The letter is written in Arabic. It is using heavy classical religious texts and classical religious scholars that ISIS has used to mobilize young people to join its forces,” said Awad, using one of the acronyms for the group. “This letter is not meant for a liberal audience.” Even mainstream Muslims, he said, may find it difficult to understand. Awad said its aim is to offer a comprehensive Islamic refutation, “point-by-point,” to the philosophy of the Islamic State and the violence it has perpetrated. The letter’s authors include well-known religious and scholarly figures in the Muslim world, including Sheikh Shawqi Allam, the grand mufti of Egypt, and Sheikh Muhammad Ahmad Hussein, the mufti of Jerusalem and All Palestine. A translated 24-point summary of the letter includes the following: “It is forbidden in Islam to torture”; “It is forbidden in Islam to attribute evil acts to God”; and “It is forbidden in Islam to declare people non-Muslims until he (or she) openly declares disbelief.” This is not the first time Muslim leaders have joined to condemn the Islamic State. The chairman of the Central Council of Muslims in Germany, Aiman Mazyek, for example, last week told the nation’s Muslims that they should speak out against the “terrorist and murderers” who fight for the Islamic State and who have dragged Islam “through the mud.” It goes on, and you can find a translation of the letter through that link as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big red one Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 Im surprised that liberal douches like you in great britain would bypass your very own Pat Condell's take on the "scholars" LOL afraid of the truth eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 What truth would that be, exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 Im surprised that liberal douches like you in great britain would bypass your very own Pat Condell's take on the "scholars" LOL afraid of the truth eh? Maybe Chris doesn't frequent muslimsmakemepissmypanties.org and doesn't know who Pat Condell is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 Maybe Chris doesn't frequent muslimsmakemepissmypanties.org and doesn't know who Pat Condell is? There is that, yes, never heard of the guy. And the logic that because he's British I should agree with whatever he has to say is, shall we say, somewhat flawed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 There is that, yes, never heard of the guy. And the logic that because he's British I should agree with whatever he has to say is, shall we say, somewhat flawed. The queen on the other hand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiris Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 There is that, yes, never heard of the guy. And the logic that because he's British I should agree with whatever he has to say is, shall we say, somewhat flawed. C'mon Chris, for sure everyone of the same race/nationality/religion/etc is a clone of those in their respective groups! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted October 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 First, chris, I never said I didn't respect islam. As usual I straddle the fence on the issue. I'm terribly terribly interested in history and thus have a pretty fair base of kknowledge of Islamic history. I've known many many very pleasant muslims specifically during my time in new york city where I frequented Atlantic Avenue in Brooklyn where there was a quite large muslim community adjacent to where I worked and even though at that point I was newly out of the service we managed to be quite cordial to each other and I would frequently enter their stores, unbearded and bold and purchase goods from them. Second: 120 scholars is a drop in the hat buddy. The middle east needs to rise up against them and destroy them not cower in fear. It's THEIR lives which are most at risk and yet they are doing a really poor job of fighting for them and abroad where isis is making gains with the disenfranchised youth the elders are doing a shit job of containing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 I'm not going to pretend I know who's who in the muslim world - maybe Osiris can help - but: he letter’s authors include well-known religious and scholarly figures in the Muslim world, including Sheikh Shawqi Allam, the grand mufti of Egypt, and Sheikh Muhammad Ahmad Hussein, the mufti of Jerusalem and All Palestine That would seem to me to be some people with about as much authority as anyone to speak on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big red one Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 hahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big red one Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 There is that, yes, never heard of the guy. And the logic that because he's British I should agree with whatever he has to say is, shall we say, somewhat flawed. funny thing is, he RIPPS christianity too.... as an atheist, he is someone you and the other douchy lib brownnosers in lockstep with you would GLEEFULLY agree with .... I laugh at your hypocrisy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 funny thing is, he RIPPS christianity too.... as an atheist, he is someone you and the other douchy lib brownnosers in lockstep with you would GLEEFULLY agree with .... I laugh at your hypocrisy So because someone doesn't know who your lover boy is, they must somehow be at odds with the opinions of said lover boy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 Someone should buy you a Jump-To-Conclusions mat for Christmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Osiris Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 I'm not going to pretend I know who's who in the muslim world - maybe Osiris can help - but: he letter’s authors include well-known religious and scholarly figures in the Muslim world, including Sheikh Shawqi Allam, the grand mufti of Egypt, and Sheikh Muhammad Ahmad Hussein, the mufti of Jerusalem and All Palestine That would seem to me to be some people with about as much authority as anyone to speak on it. You are correct, these are the top leaders in the Muslim world, particularly the grand mufti of Egypt as the educational center of Islam is Al-Azhar University in Egypt. What Cisco is asking for, I presume as he comes from a military background, is a call to arms from moderate Muslims to fight the extremists. I actually agree wholeheartedly with him in spirit. I'm just not optimistic it will ever happen. Where will this movement come from? Where will they get weapons? Who will train them? Keep in mind the governments of these countries will oppose, not support, them. Many people in the middle-east have been tamed into submission by the dictator overlords the USA has supported over the years. So it falls on the governments that have controlled the people to combat ISIL and their ilk. Another huge problem in the ME is one of unity. Years of divide & conquer there, combined with lack of resources that promotes competition over cooperation, have led to Arab countries being able to unite against the terrorist threat as effectively as everyone would like. Unfortunately, It is ingrained in the very fabric of the culture now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big red one Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 haha you mustve graduated from being a Yahoo top commenter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big red one Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 check that - craigslist "rants and raves"..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 I don't know anything about craigslist "rants and raves". So i guess that means I have an issue with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big red one Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 and the insult too apparently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 So, most Muslims are afraid to speak out, and go to war and fight this cancer on the Muslim religion, because back in the day, the United States did anything over there? Odd, the nazis went on to become a world threat like isis, and the German people were afraid, when it all came about, to speak out and fight that cancer, and it wasn't because the big bad United States supported any "loverlords" in Germany. Come on, man. The Muslim world over there is a confused, hijacked mess. In the face of such hideous violence, and men, women and children being tortured and slaughtered, so many in the Iraqi army deserted. So many simply became subservient to the nazi's violence and power and control. And, the nazis got their extreme violence, and anti-Semitism, and ruthless genocidal ideas from... "Muslim" extremists terrorists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiris Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 So, most Muslims are afraid to speak out, and go to war and fight this cancer on the Muslim religion, because back in the day, the United States did anything over there? Odd, the nazis went on to become a world threat like isis, and the German people were afraid, when it all came about, to speak out and fight that cancer, and it wasn't because the big bad United States supported any "loverlords" in Germany. Come on, man. The Muslim world over there is a confused, hijacked mess. In the face of such hideous violence, and men, women and children being tortured and slaughtered, so many in the Iraqi army deserted. So many simply became subservient to the nazi's violence and power and control. And, the nazis got their extreme violence, and anti-Semitism, and ruthless genocidal ideas from... "Muslim" extremists terrorists. Not exactly what I said. There is plenty of responsibility to go around, and it primarily rests on the shoulders of the people that live there. But to deny the role the Brits and later the USA played in it is to turn a blind eye and fail to be introspective and to fail to understand the history of the middle-east over the past 100+ years. I'm not sure where you are getting the idea the "Muslim" terrorists influenced the Nazi's. That's a new one to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 Sorry, I ran across that stuff years ago - it's extremists claiming to be Muslims, know what I'm sayin... Here's just two links: http://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2013/07/19/the-muslim-nazi-connection/ http://www.educationnews.org/breaking_news/106849.html And, you are right, though. There are a few movies out there, old classics, that explain how bad the British were, when they oversaw Palestine. And American interference? Sure. But I don't see that as part of the reason for .... you know. Obviously, I could be wrong about that. The one movie, very excellent, was "Sword in the Desert" on Turner Classic Movies. The British enforced a quota, out of convenience, of Jews being allowed to return to Palestine. I haven't watched the other one I recorded yet, but it's an eye-opener. I never knew about that time in history over there.... The British military over there...were not the good guys. To the Palestinians, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 Yeah my country did some shitty things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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