The Gipper Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2016/11/09/chargers-stadium-vote-fails-miserably-clouding-future-in-san-diego/ The vote to provide funds for a new stadium in San Diego was soundly rejected. This, I suspect will mean that the Chargers will be free to look for alternative locations. Where do they go? I for one do NOT think that they should be moving back to LA (where they started). From what I hear, people in LA have not really been flocking to see the Rams. I think they have like the next worst capacity percentage in the league next to the Chargers. If they must move (which I would still hate to see), I think there are far more better places for them to go than LA. Candidates: Foreign cities: Toronto? London, England? Mexico City? The largest US markets without an NFL team right now are as follows, in order (with some explanation as to why they would not be considered: San Antonio/Austin (Cowboys consider this "their territory....but I don't think the people of SA/Austin necessarily agree) Orlando (not considered due to proximity to Tampa Bay) Sacramento St. Louis Portland Or. (owner of Seattle team would want to keep this for his "territory") Raleigh/Durham (considered part of Carolina territory) Hartford (between NY and Boston...considered their territory) Columbus (Buckeyes rule here...plus considered Browns/Bengals disputed areas) Salt Lake City Milwaukee (considered Packer country, rightly) To me the most viable is SA/Austin, St. Louis (which may have financing in place) and why not Sacramento. It was Raider country, but with the Raiders moving it could ripe to have a team and try to take the East Bay fans with them). Salt Lake? Considered Bronco country...and not big enough for NFL dreams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 Like to see them move to Columbus if they move. Liked the Chargers when I was stationed there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 Like to see them move to Columbus if they move. Liked the Chargers when I was stationed there. As noted, proximity to Cleveland and Cincy would discount Columbus. It won't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 I like the Sacramento idea Gip, with summer camp in Folsom prison. Cost would be minimal then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 The columbus chargers? yeah i don't think OH has room for another NFL team plus the Bucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 It's vegas or LA. If the Raiders take Vegas than Chargers go to LA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 It's vegas or LA. If the Raiders take Vegas than Chargers go to LA Well, I just said that I don't think that LA either warrants nor would support a 2d team in my estimation. The fans are too fickle to be die hard about one team so much as 2. There was a reason that both teams left LA....and while the NFL still wanted the LA market...read: money....those reasons for those teams leaving have still not gone away. San Antonio would be a far, far superior option in my opinion. Yes, Sacramento could be as well. At least they would stay in the same division in either SATX or Sac. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 It'll be the LA Chargers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 It'll be the LA Chargers. Yup... not that great of a distance for the SD area faithful to continue to follow their team. Plus they'll get a piece of a great new, palatial stadium at a discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 They said the Raiders would be going to LA....but that ain't happenin'. Looks like Las Vegas. If some other city comes along and offers the Chargers a sweet stadium package deal......it could still be that they would be enticed to move to such a location...and I hear that SATX may be prepared to do just that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alkid3 Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 From what you hear? Who are you hearing this from because hey are ranked second in attendance in the NFL behind Dallas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 If you go by percent to capacity, yes they are near the bottom, 28th to be exact. But if you look average per game, they are 2nd in the league to Dallas at 83,700 per game. The Rams are drawing just fine and while I don't think the Chargers should move, there's no way a stadium is getting built in San Diego. They wont go to San Antonio, Jerry J. won't ever allow another team to be moved into Texas. Raiders to Vegas, Chargers to LA as the tennant to the Rams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyceRolls Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 They could move to Oakland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 They could move to Oakland. And play where? In just as big of a dump as they have now in Qualcomm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBrown Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 If you go by percent to capacity, yes they are near the bottom, 28th to be exact. But if you look average per game, they are 2nd in the league to Dallas at 83,700 per game. The Rams are drawing just fine and while I don't think the Chargers should move, there's no way a stadium is getting built in San Diego. They wont go to San Antonio, Jerry J. won't ever allow another team to be moved into Texas. Raiders to Vegas, Chargers to LA as the tennant to the Rams. I've seen this on ESPN how can a team have a percentage over 100%?? If the ground is full that's at 100% capacity no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 I've seen this on ESPN how can a team have a percentage over 100%?? If the ground is full that's at 100% capacity no? Some stadiums sell standing room only tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBrown Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 Some stadiums sell standing room only tickets. So the capacity listed is actually how many seats are available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 So the capacity listed is actually how many seats are available? That would be my understanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 It's vegas or LA. If the Raiders take Vegas than Chargers go to LA Now that the NFL appears to be over the gambling hangup Las Vegas is getting a team, the Raiders are a better left coast fit but the Chargers would work. They better hurry with both before the magic window closes for billion dollar stadiums in professional football. The other city? Mexico City? A border Mexican city? (If president Trump will allow it. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 500 million relocation fee,,wouldnt say it's quite over for san diego yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 500 million relocation fee,,wouldnt say it's quite over for san diego yet they'll make that back no matter where they go as long as its a new stadium that isn't crumbling down around them like Qualcomm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 The other city? Mexico City? A border Mexican city? (If president Trump will allow it. ) Actually Mexico City would be an excellent choice. Cheap labor to build the stadium and it would fill every week. Could make a hell-of-a contract with Univision for here in the U.S. for all the illegals that would tune in to watch their home team games and sell a lot of advertisement in Spanish to hit that huge market. We just need to convince the wall builder that this would make better business sense than sending them all back. Been telling my kids since they were little to learn Spanish if they wanted to be a part of the long term future of this country and that was before NAFTA. There is a huge untapped market to our south and smart business guys are catching on to it. I should send the Donald a copy of Doris Kearns Goodwin's "The Bully Pulpit". TR was way beyond his time on our neighbors to the south. He was just a bit heavy handed is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingfooldoug Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 If they move, OKC seems a logical choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob806 Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 St Louis or OKC if they move. I'd hate to see them move though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 From what you hear? Who are you hearing this from because hey are ranked second in attendance in the NFL behind Dallas. Capacity figures. Though perhaps that is misleading....as the Coliseum holds a ton of people. Still....as far as I am concerned, why don't we see if one team can make it in LA before they put another team there. It is foolish to think that just because it is "LA" and some of the league owners are Hollywood star butthole sniffers (read: Jerry Jones) and because it is the second largest market in the nation that it is able to support two teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 500 million relocation fee,,wouldnt say it's quite over for san diego yet True that....but still, what are they going to do about a stadium? Spanos has loyalty to SD....but it can only go so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 If you go by percent to capacity, yes they are near the bottom, 28th to be exact. But if you look average per game, they are 2nd in the league to Dallas at 83,700 per game. The Rams are drawing just fine and while I don't think the Chargers should move, there's no way a stadium is getting built in San Diego. They wont go to San Antonio, Jerry J. won't ever allow another team to be moved into Texas. Raiders to Vegas, Chargers to LA as the tennant to the Rams. Jerry may have influence....but he don't control shit. From my understanding (as my daughter lives there), a lot of people in SA had been fed up with Jerry Jones taking SA for granted and thinking he owns them......and a lot of people had shifted allegience to the Texans. (but that may all change now that the Cowboys are winning big....their mediocrity was another factor in driving people away.....winning could cause them to flock back). IF a big enough fat cat were to come along and put money up for a new stadium.....they could go. In the interim, the Alamodome is probably as good a stadium for an NFL team to play in as the ones in both SD and Oakland....but a new stadium would be required. Besides, the NFL owners may like the idea of playing a Super Bowl in SATX. It has good weather (much better than Dallas) that time of year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 St Louis or OKC if they move. I'd hate to see them move though. Well, you talk about a market that Jerry Jones thinks he owns...it is Oklahoma City. Besides, OKC isn't even in the top 40 Nielsen TV markets. Portland, Salt Lake City, West Palm Beach, Orlando, Greenville-Spartanburg are bigger. Austin alone is bigger...not including San Antonio. Raleigh alone is bigger not including Charlotte. Columbus and Hartford are bigger. OKC works as a one horse town for basketball.....but it would not bring the type of eyeballs the NFL would want. They probably actually regret having placed a team in Jacksonville which is also not in the Top 40 markets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBrown Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 Capacity figures. Though perhaps that is misleading....as the Coliseum holds a ton of people. Still....as far as I am concerned, why don't we see if one team can make it in LA before they put another team there. It is foolish to think that just because it is "LA" and some of the league owners are Hollywood star butthole sniffers (read: Jerry Jones) and because it is the second largest market in the nation that it is able to support two teams. I dont think its misleading, if they cant fill the stadium for one team what % capacity will two teams fill? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 I dont think its misleading, if they cant fill the stadium for one team what % capacity will two teams fill? The old LA Coliseum has apparently an 80,000 capacity for NFL games....but it has a 93,000+ capacity for USC games. Why did difference, I don't know. The new stadium they are building will be 80,000....so I think they are artificially reducing the current capacity of the Coliseum to match what they will have with the new LA stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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