wargograw Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 Wonder what happened this year to create the rift....he was spot on his first 2 years.... Good question. My buddy played with him on the defense at Pitt and was shocked at all this. Said no one loves the game more than K'Waun and the kid is very low-drama. Just odd all around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 Wonder what happened this year to create the rift....he was spot on his first 2 years.... Hmmmm... What is different this year from the previous two? Hmmmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 Hmmmm... What is different this year from the previous two? Hmmmm... Clearly it was the concessions staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Dawg Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 K'Waun Williams was claimed off the waiver wire by Chicago today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 K'Waun Williams was claimed off the waiver wire by Chicago today. will be pro bowler. the cleveland jinx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hx214 Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 I still don't understand this story. I wonder if the whole thing will ever come to light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 will be pro bowler. the cleveland jinx. Oh ya. For sure. Mingo, Kruger, K'wan and Andy Pussy Lee are going to be big time Pro Bowlers this year. LOL! Go, Hue, Go! Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 will be pro bowler. the cleveland jinx. No. How many players have left here to go make the Pro Bowl elsewhere. Probably a small handful since 1999. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 Oh ya. For sure. Mingo, Kruger, K'wan and Andy Pussy Lee are going to be big time Pro Bowlers this year. LOL! Go, Hue, Go! Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 Wonder what happened this year to create the rift....he was spot on his first 2 years.... My take is he wanted a second opinion and the team would not allow him to go get it. So he went on his own volition. Players gotta look out for their own long term health, cause the team aint gonna do it for them.....just add him to the pile of starter quality of players leaving in the largest mass exodus the Browns have ever seen.... We started the year with very little experienced talent....we now have none..... Haden is about it. MHO Tramon Williams isn't very good. If you look at the offensive side- we have two A grade players, Thomas and Gordon- and Josh is sidelined till week 5. Bitonio is a solid talent- but the rest of the O? Nothing great that couldn't be replaced. Plus a bunch of question marks- (Pryor, Coleman, and RG III) Oh ya. For sure. Mingo, Kruger, K'wan and Andy Pussy Lee are going to be big time Pro Bowlers this year. LOL! Go, Hue, Go! Zombo Yup, that's right- a lot of people go-ing. Before that Mack, Schwartz, Whitner, and Dansby. See above- save Joe Haden- hope he's healthy- we have a lot of B minus (and worse) talent on defense. And a lot of inexperienced rookies whose talent level is a big ?. Little wonder they're getting chewed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 Failed his physical. Off the Bears roster. So much for the Pro Bowl. http://www.12up.com/posts/3707518-breaking-bears-newly-acquired-free-agent-fails-physical?a_aid=40734 Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 Failed his physical. Off the Bears roster. So much for the Pro Bowl. http://www.12up.com/posts/3707518-breaking-bears-newly-acquired-free-agent-fails-physical?a_aid=40734 Zombo Well, those ankles...bone spurs... were a problem for him. But, for some reason, I thought there was a rule about cutting a guy because of injury. There is some rule....maybe about IR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 Bone spurs aren't an "injury", but they are a condition that certainly can hurt. Regardless.... now cutting him sure looks dispassionate... at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 I still don't understand this story. I wonder if the whole thing will ever come to light. Here are the cliffs notes... Kwaun had pain in his ankle Browns Dr's looked at it and said he was fine He said he wanted time off for a second opinion The Browns said no and added him to a game roster He declined to play due to pain The Browns fined and suspended him He left camp to go to Washington and see another doctor Doctor said he needed surgery The Browns cut him The Bears signed him The Bears Dr's looked and said he needed surgery confirming Kwauns original concerns..... so, the Browns wanted him to play with the injury and then suspended him for taking his own health into his own hands... Nice!.....way to treat your players guys..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 So he'll be perfectly healed around week 2,3 -- and then he'll sign a FA deal with some team. Perhaps the Panthers considering street FA's started games for them last season, and they will roster 2 rookie UDFA's.. CB needs that ankle more than just about any other position bc quickness is the required athletic trait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 So he'll be perfectly healed around week 2,3 -- and then he'll sign a FA deal with some team. Perhaps the Panthers considering street FA's started games for them last season, and they will roster 2 rookie UDFA's.. CB needs that ankle more than just about any other position bc quickness is the required athletic trait Dr. Hoorta chimes in. Um, depends where the bone spurs are- and it sure as hell won't be three weeks. He has the surgery now- done for the year. Maybe that's why the Browns were balking. Put him on IR- pay him for the year, and then he walks? Lose\ lose proposition. Below is a quote from someone who had the surgery, and from one of my co-workers that had the same, it sounds about right. "I had a bone spur under my Achilles tendon that was insertional Achilles tendinosis. I had the surgery done in December and by the end of February I was able to walk a bit. I had to use a walker for a few weeks, then a cane. I was on a knee scooter after my surgery with absolutely no weight bearing at all. That is probably the hardest part of this surgery. It took a year before all the pain was resolved, but now that foot is much better." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 We should be on the hook for his surgery IMO. And then he's a free agent and healthy next year. Z Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 Here are the cliffs notes... Kwaun had pain in his ankle Browns Dr's looked at it and said he was fine He said he wanted time off for a second opinion The Browns said no and added him to a game roster He declined to play due to pain The Browns fined and suspended him He left camp to go to Washington and see another doctor Doctor said he needed surgery The Browns cut him The Bears signed him The Bears Dr's looked and said he needed surgery confirming Kwauns original concerns..... so, the Browns wanted him to play with the injury and then suspended him for taking his own health into his own hands... Nice!.....way to treat your players guys..... OK, seems to be an issue. That is why I think there is more to the story than just the medical issue. I think he had a personality conflict with either the DC or the HC. You didn't see Hue giving the same regretful statements about Kwan as he did about Kruger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 "More to the story" = "stood up for himself"??? Could just be that simple... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 "More to the story" = "stood up for himself"??? Could just be that simple... No....more than that. Maybe this regime just thought he was expendable. Maybe they just saw more of what they wanted to see out of Charles Gaines, Tracy Howard, Trey Caldwell...whom they drafted....and even.....dare I say it......Justin Gilbert? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 Thanks, hoorta.. that definitely puts a new spin on the interpretation of the Browns move! This should be a CBA issue IMHO.. Kwaun surely isn't the first to be cut because he had the temerity to stand up for his wanting not to play through a condition needing surgery -- because he simply would not be himself if on the field, and thus he'd be cut "for play" even though the reason he couldn't perform was because of the condition.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 Thanks, hoorta.. that definitely puts a new spin on the interpretation of the Browns move! This should be a CBA issue IMHO.. Kwaun surely isn't the first to be cut because he had the temerity to stand up for his wanting not to play through a condition needing surgery -- because he simply would not be himself if on the field, and thus he'd be cut "for play" even though the reason he couldn't perform was because of the condition.. He has the right to file a grievance if he wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 I'm wondering if he got hurt over the summer, and didn't tell the Browns until late, to avoid training camp and some games or something, and still get paid...,... the Browns dr.'s may have seen that it wasn't a new injury. I don't know - but something isn't right with his story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingfooldoug Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 That's something that develops over time and use. It's not really an injury like a sprain but it can be painful and cause damage to surounding tissue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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