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What are everyone's opinions on satellite camps? I think they benefit every party involved.

 

 

Michigan has been in the news a lot regarding them. We'll be hosting/attending about 30 of them, including camps in Australia, Hawaii and American Samoa.

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That's not Sabans camp. He thinks satellite camps could lead to recruiting violations... While he has been involved in a bunch himself

What he is really worried about is a Harbaugh or Meyer coming into his area and recruiting a player that he may think he has rights over.

 

I don't know why he should worry about that though. I think he should worry about the NCAA coming up with an HGH detection method.

 

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I just love the implicit concession by the yankees that the best college football talent is down south. Since our teams are filled with talent almost exclusively from here and most of us have little desire to hold satellite camps north of the M-D (we will just to make those teams have to fight in another "theatre," if you will), what does that say about who has the best teams?

 

While I'm never a fan of hypocrisy, I'm a fan of zealously fighting for your employer. So if this is Saban's angle, it's fine with me.

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Don't worry, the south will rise again... Someday...

 

 

The South has better football weather over the course of the year, more time to play/practice. Also football is more of the primary sport. It makes sense there's more talent down south. I don't think it is as big as some would claim, or that top talent only comes out of the south (#1 player from last year was from NJ, and signed with Michigan).

 

 

Obviously the camps are for recruiting and obviously the south doesn't want to have to compete for these players. The bullshit they've used as an excuse though (coaches want a break, not in the well being of the student, could lead to rule breaking) are all hilarious. Especially coming one the freaking SEC, the Kings of recruiting violations. Saban has no ground to stand on.

 

 

Best teams though? That's a whole other story. We can get into oversigning, roster manipulation and media bias if you'd like to...

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I just love the implicit concession by the yankees that the best college football talent is down south. Since our teams are filled with talent almost exclusively from here and most of us have little desire to hold satellite camps north of the M-D (we will just to make those teams have to fight in another "theatre," if you will), what does that say about who has the best teams?

 

While I'm never a fan of hypocrisy, I'm a fan of zealously fighting for your employer. So if this is Saban's angle, it's fine with me.

No, it has nothing to do with whether or not the best football talent is down south. That is probably not the case. What the south does have is good weather in the spring compared to up north....and these camps were designed as a bit of a spring break. Now, maybe as an aside there could be some recruiting assistance.

The reason that southern teams don't want to hold a satellite camp in the north is because they are big pussies that can't stand a little cold weather.

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So... A lot of what Gipper just said is wrong. Don't let that district you from wargograw being wrong to begin with

Nothing I said is wrong. Teams from the SEC don't want to come and play in cold weather.....when is the last freaking time you saw that happen?

And do you deny that the south has good spring weather vs. the north?

As far as the football talent....I think it is debateable.

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The camps are in the summer hoss. Not spring. Y'all have bad weather in the summer too? Because it certainly has never prevented any northern school from hosting summer camps on campus.

You didn't actually disagree with anything I said, Woody. So I'm alright with it. These camps will in fact lead to recruiting violations aplenty, not that I care. I agree it's hypocritical to mention. But Saban's never been busted on anything major. Everyone gets minor violations. Even Michigan. Far as I know, that's all Saban's gotten.

 

Edit: I forgot he just got the thing with Bo Davis.

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Nothing I said is wrong. Teams from the SEC don't want to come and play in cold weather.....when is the last freaking time you saw that happen?

And do you deny that the south has good spring weather vs. the north?

As far as the football talent....I think it is debateable.

 

Most of what you said was wrong.

 

You weren't talking about playing games, you were talking about satellite camps.

 

- Satellite camps are held in the Spring, and the North has nice weather in the Spring.

- Teams from down South are participating in satellite camps up North

 

Yes, some SEC teams never play above the Mason Dixon. Yes, Bowl Games are rarely in cold weather areas. But, neither of these are satellite camps, which is what you were talking about.

 

 

 

On the talent aspect, you've already gone from "probably not the case" to "debatable". I'll jump in before you back up any more. Look up any recruiting ranking list or map of the recruits. There is, on average, better/more talent down South. We've gone down this path before though, and I'm sure you'll stick with anecdotal evidence over actual data (ex: Recruiting rankings being an indicator of success, university academic rankings).

 

There are a handful of reasons for this. A lot of people live down South, they have more "football weather" per year than the North, football is more of the primary sport there (so more potential athletes), etc.

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The camps are in the summer hoss. Not spring. Y'all have bad weather in the summer too? Because it certainly has never prevented any northern school from hosting summer camps on campus.

 

You didn't actually disagree with anything I said, Woody. So I'm alright with it. These camps will in fact lead to recruiting violations aplenty, not that I care. I agree it's hypocritical to mention. But Saban's never been busted on anything major. Everyone gets minor violations. Even Michigan. Far as I know, that's all Saban's gotten.

 

Edit: I forgot he just got the thing with Bo Davis.

 

 

 

I disagree with you saying the camps will "lead to recruiting violations aplenty". What is even more ridiculous/laughable is the SEC attempting to use this as a reason to try to ban the camps. The SEC is notorious for shady recruiting (and other) tactics. Bama is no different. It is amazing they can be so blind / willfully ignorant in a baseless attempt to try to keep their recruiting advantage. Damn the well being of small colleges, recruits, high school coaches. It is all about the SEC being greedy.

 

Hell, Saban has a recruiting rule named after him...

 

or this:

 

 

 

Harbaugh did more than that. He called him out -- a hypocrite, actually. And I'm not sure how anyone can find fault with it.

Saban -- who has, of course, won four national titles at Alabama -- is literally in the middle of a situation where recruiting violations within his program were found. An assistant coach has been forced to resign and the school currently is awaiting the result of that NCAA investigation.

And if that were the only thing going on here, it'd probably be enough. But it's not.

Like in 2009 when a businessman paid for stars Mark Ingram and Julio Jones to go on a fishing trip. Or in 2013 when a former Alabama player was caught giving Tide offensive lineman D.J. Fluker impermissible benefits. Or later that same yearwhen Saban had to fire a staffer after he paid safety Ha Ha Clinton-Dix.

Anyone remember that whole deal about the disassociated Alabama booster who continued to sell signed Crimson Tide merchandise -- from players who still were on the team -- back in 2014?

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and how's the rest of the SEC doing?

 

- Tennessee is in the middle of a Title IX Lawsuit that alleges a lot of stuff similar to the Baylor situation

- Alabama fired an assistant coach because of recruiting violations (we can laugh and pretend he was a rouge agent...)

- Ole Miss... I mean come on. Did anyone think that recruiting class was legitimate? Of course Tunsil and others got paid. Let's see how these violations shake out

- Miss St enrolled a 5* recruit that was caught on tape beating a defenseless woman. His ultimate punishment? A 1 game suspension when they play an FCS school.

 

 

But no, Saban is right. Satellite camps are the REAL danger.... fuck him. He's afraid of losing recruits.

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and how's the rest of the SEC doing?

 

- Tennessee is in the middle of a Title IX Lawsuit that alleges a lot of stuff similar to the Baylor situation

- Alabama fired an assistant coach because of recruiting violations (we can laugh and pretend he was a rouge agent...)

- Ole Miss... I mean come on. Did anyone think that recruiting class was legitimate? Of course Tunsil and others got paid. Let's see how these violations shake out

- Miss St enrolled a 5* recruit that was caught on tape beating a defenseless woman. His ultimate punishment? A 1 game suspension when they play an FCS school.

 

 

But no, Saban is right. Satellite camps are the REAL danger.... fuck him. He's afraid of losing recruits.

 

I wasn't aware Saban had commented on sexual assault on teams.

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I disagree with you saying the camps will "lead to recruiting violations aplenty". What is even more ridiculous/laughable is the SEC attempting to use this as a reason to try to ban the camps. The SEC is notorious for shady recruiting (and other) tactics. Bama is no different. It is amazing they can be so blind / willfully ignorant in a baseless attempt to try to keep their recruiting advantage. Damn the well being of small colleges, recruits, high school coaches. It is all about the SEC being greedy.

 

Hell, Saban has a recruiting rule named after him...

 

or this:

 

 

Again, I'm not denying that it's hypocritical. But people get hypocritical all the time defending something that's theirs.

 

I don't see how you don't see that it will lead to recruiting violations. Ignore the speaker and his prior actions and just listen to the substance of what Saban said and tell me it's not true. Football is the only big college sport where the high school coach still matters. Absolutely true. You have to set up a virtual police state just to make sure everyone at the camp is paying the NCAA-mandated registration fee and was brought by someone that can't qualify as a booster of the school. You can't screen the people that show up at this camp just to watch (and potentially pay kids). Etc. Again, I don't care about recruiting violations. They're just a way for losing schools to have something to brag about. I'm just saying they will happen as a result of these camps, so the thing Michigan fans speak out against so much (paying players), is something they're about to foster in a huge way, even if they aren't doing it themselves.

 

Satellite camps will just turn into a pipeline for SEC teams and Ohio State paying players and then you'll hate it.

 

And I'm sure Saban is losing a ton of sleep about Harbaugh stealing his recruits with those 6 straight #1 recruiting classes.

 

Anyway, I don't really have a dog in the whole Harbaugh-Saban fight. I don't care much. My original point was that this is a concession that the best players are down south, and you've confirmed that. So we're good.

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Again, I'm not denying that it's hypocritical. But people get hypocritical all the time defending something that's theirs.

 

I don't see how you don't see that it will lead to recruiting violations. Ignore the speaker and his prior actions and just listen to the substance of what Saban said and tell me it's not true. Football is the only big college sport where the high school coach still matters. Absolutely true. You have to set up a virtual police state just to make sure everyone at the camp is paying the NCAA-mandated registration fee and was brought by someone that can't qualify as a booster of the school. You can't screen the people that show up at this camp just to watch (and potentially pay kids). Etc. Again, I don't care about recruiting violations. They're just a way for losing schools to have something to brag about. I'm just saying they will happen as a result of these camps, so the thing Michigan fans speak out against so much (paying players), is something they're about to foster in a huge way, even if they aren't doing it themselves.

 

Satellite camps will just turn into a pipeline for SEC teams and Ohio State paying players and then you'll hate it.

 

And I'm sure Saban is losing a ton of sleep about Harbaugh stealing his recruits with those 6 straight #1 recruiting classes.

 

Anyway, I don't really have a dog in the whole Harbaugh-Saban fight. I don't care much. My original point was that this is a concession that the best players are down south, and you've confirmed that. So we're good.

 

 

Michigan didn't invent satellite camps. They were going on before Harbaugh got here. If shady schools and their bagmen (..... who knows what conference...) want to be shady at a satellite camp, good luck stopping them. Of course, this shit is already going on everywhere. Was a satellite camp needed for Ole Miss to buy their top recruiting class? Was a satellite camp needed to buy Cam Newton? No.

 

Yes, the satellite camps provide another opportunity for violations. Yes, they are a drop in the bucket compared to all of the other ways rules are violated. Yes, these rules would still be broken without them. Yes, it is entirely hypocritical to point at them like they're gonna be so bad for CFB. Yes, the positives far outweigh any perceived negatives.

 

Satellite camps won't affect whether other schools will break rules to get recruits. If they were doing it before, they're going to keep doing it. Big picture, these satellite camps help literally everyone involved except a few salty Southern coaches. No one has made any decent argument for why they should be banned. I'd have a hard time finding a reason why I'd ever be against them.

 

 

Saban is obviously a little worried. If he wasn't, he wouldn't be crying about satellite camps. Not to mention Harbaugh secured the #1 player in the nation after only one full season and is floating all around SEC country right now. Also, ESPN ranked FSU with a better class than Bama last offseason... (but that's without getting into the faults of class rankings). It is also probably easier to secure those top classes with recruits are rolling around in decked out cars and getting paid...

 

 

There is more potential recruits in the South so more higher ranked recruits. There are a lot of benefits just from the fact they're down South. The negatives of places like Mississippi and Georgia work out as a benefit here. The best players aren't exclusively from the south (ex: Jabrill Peppers, Rashan Gary), but they are definitely more likely to be. The best players exist all across the country, and satellite camps allow them to get exposure to colleges all across the country. Win win

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Yes, they have been going on before. Oklahoma State has always had them in Tyler, Texas, I believe. And you know what, OSU had some of the shadiest recruiting in this region and were doing it as a smaller program. So I think you will see the two go hand in had. I didn't say no one cheated prior to satellite camps (come on, you know me), so questions like "was a satellite camp needed to buy Cam Newton?" are kind of irrelevant.

 

I don't think it'll be a drop in the bucket, as you say. I think they'll be pretty rampant, as they are in basketball. And that in itself is "a pretty decent argument," if that's something you care about.

 

Saban's always complained about stuff in his press conferences. That's more an indication that he's an important person than that he's worried about anything. He went off on reporters for not showing total respect to College of Charleston too. I'm sure he was really worried about that game, right?

 

I'm gonna ignore the semantics about FSU's class on ESPN last year. Doesn't take away the overall point (and FSU pays as much as anyone, FTR).

 

Whatever the reasons for the south's having better players, they have the better players. That was my only point.

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Most of what you said was wrong.

 

Nothing I said was wrong.

 

You weren't talking about playing games, you were talking about satellite camps.

I was talking about games...and satellite camps. Both. Sorry you couldn't keep up.

 

- Satellite camps are held in the Spring, and the North has nice weather in the Spring.

- Teams from down South are participating in satellite camps up North

 

Where was that ever said? Nowhere....and if it is true....prove it.

 

Yes, some SEC teams never play above the Mason Dixon. Yes, Bowl Games are rarely in cold weather areas. But, neither of these are satellite camps, which is what you were talking about.

You clearly have no clue what I was talking about, because you are wrong about what I was talking about.

 

 

 

On the talent aspect, you've already gone from "probably not the case" to "debatable". I'll jump in before you back up any more. Look up any recruiting ranking list or map of the recruits. There is, on average, better/more talent down South. We've gone down this path before though, and I'm sure you'll stick with anecdotal evidence over actual data (ex: Recruiting rankings being an indicator of success, university academic rankings).

 

 

There are a handful of reasons for this. A lot of people live down South, they have more "football weather" per year than the North, football is more of the primary sport there (so more potential athletes), etc.

Ohio has as much football talent as any state. Another factor is HGH.....the South uses it far more than any other area. It only appears that the talent is better.

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Yes, they have been going on before. Oklahoma State has always had them in Tyler, Texas, I believe. And you know what, OSU had some of the shadiest recruiting in this region and were doing it as a smaller program. So I think you will see the two go hand in had. I didn't say no one cheated prior to satellite camps (come on, you know me), so questions like "was a satellite camp needed to buy Cam Newton?" are kind of irrelevant.

 

I don't think it'll be a drop in the bucket, as you say. I think they'll be pretty rampant, as they are in basketball. And that in itself is "a pretty decent argument," if that's something you care about.

 

Saban's always complained about stuff in his press conferences. That's more an indication that he's an important person than that he's worried about anything. He went off on reporters for not showing total respect to College of Charleston too. I'm sure he was really worried about that game, right?

 

I'm gonna ignore the semantics about FSU's class on ESPN last year. Doesn't take away the overall point (and FSU pays as much as anyone, FTR).

 

Whatever the reasons for the south's having better players, they have the better players. That was my only point.

As I understand it, the satellite camps help a lot more players that are going to be playing at like the MAC or Sunbelt or even D-1AA schools than the guys headed for P5 conferences. The outcry about the satellite camp ban was from these level of schools, not the Big Boys (except Saban of course)

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They have more players, therefore more higher rated players.

 

Saban has also complained about up tempo offenses... Clearly he wasn't worried about some FCS school, but that doesn't mean we can ignore everything he complains about. He's clearly worried, he wants to keep these schools out of his region.

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As I understand it, the satellite camps help a lot more players that are going to be playing at like the MAC or Sunbelt or even D-1AA schools than the guys headed for P5 conferences. The outcry about the satellite camp ban was from these level of schools, not the Big Boys (except Saban of course)

The only groups that came out against these camps were SEC and ACC coaches.

 

You're right though, the smaller schools get a huge benefit from these camps. Every group involved does for the most part, but those smaller schools do especially.

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The reason that southern teams don't want to hold a satellite camp in the north is because they are big pussies that can't stand a little cold weather.

That sounds like you were very clearly talking about satellite camps...

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