Flugel Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 Here's a look at our roster on Defense heading into training camp where we can expect good competition for starting jobs, situational roles, and active roster spots. I'll apologize in advance for the crappy job I did with specifying what roles I see for some guys. Defensive Line: Danny Shelton DT/NT Jamie Meder DT/NT John Hughes III DT Xavier Cooper DE/5 Tech Desmond Bryant DE/5 Tech Carl Nassib DE Dylan Wynn DE Nile Lawrence-Stample DL Rose Kyle DL Cam Johnson DL Linebacker: Demario Davis ILB Christian Kirksey ILB Scooby Ruh-Wright ILB/OLB - They are already talking about using him on STs Joe Schobert OLB/ILB - I'm also hearing about a potential role on STs with him Nate Orchard OLB Emmanuel Ogbah OLB Barkevious Mingo OLB Paul Kruger OLB Tank Carder ILB - Good special teams player with upside on trial Armonty Bryant OLB - Very disappointed in the trouble he couldn't resist off the field Dominique Alexander LB Justin Tuggle LB Jackson Jeffcoat LB Defensive Backs: Joe Haden CB Tramon Williams CB K'Wuan Williams CB Jamar Taylor CB Justin Gilbert CB - Offers STs ability. How will he respond to changes and experience as a Corner? Pierre Desir CB Charles Gaines CB Ibraheim Campbell SS Jordan Poyer FS Don Jones FS Rahim Moore S Derrick Kindred S A.J. Stamps DB Tim Scott DB Eric Patterson DB If I left anyone out or kept somebody on that's already departed - please let me know. Since the goal here in the doldrums of summer is discussion - here's some questions you can feel free to answer as many as you want or share something else on your mind. Any positions excite you in particular? What players are you most intrigued by? Do any names make you think - I forgot about him, glad he's still here? A lot of our DBs and LBs can crack in as STs players - who do you want us to keep an eye on? Do we have enough "big men that can run and little guys that can hit" for Horton Hears a Hue? What guys do you think will respond best to Horton's scheme? It'll be fun to see what guys benefit most from their 1st year of experience on the field and via offseason conditioning. Who do you think will fall into this category? Do we have the ingredients to hurry more passers and create more turnovers? How do you think our front 7 will be at stopping the run? How do you think our LB Corps will be at dropping into their coverage zones on time to be effective? I'm looking forward to reading your thoughts about the Defense... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 I am excited to watch the defensive front line. They have the players, and the rotation, to kick ass. A lot of teams are going to be trying to run wide. That's where we need the lb's/safeties to excel. They will be able to dominate the los. Just need faster, quicker lb's who can get to the ball quickly. the secondary is going to be inspired by the play in front of them... I think the defense will rock. I'm still po'd at running Shelton on and off the field - freaking dumbasses who decided that shouldn't be in football. That, and having Kruger drop back so much... why not just try to make a Frito into a chocolate cookie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 Any positions excite you in particular? What players are you most intrigued by? Do any names make you think - I forgot about him, glad he's still here? A lot of our DBs and LBs can crack in as STs players - who do you want us to keep an eye on? Do we have enough "big men that can run and little guys that can hit" for Horton Hears a Hue? What guys do you think will respond best to Horton's scheme? It'll be fun to see what guys benefit most from their 1st year of experience on the field and via offseason conditioning. Who do you think will fall into this category? Danny Shelton, absolutely - Cooper and Orchard, too. Do we have the ingredients to hurry more passers and create more turnovers? Bank on it. People will see the difference and the biggest difference will be the defensive scheme and knowing how to tailor what they do, per the talent of the players they have. How do you think our front 7 will be at stopping the run? They will kick ass, top ten vs the run. How do you think our LB Corps will be at dropping into their coverage zones on time to be effective? I don't know how they will use Kruger, but I don't think they will use him as a coverage lb but freaking rarely.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted June 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 Good points about the defensive line Cal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 Where Cal went - Danny, Nate, Coop. I'll take it a step further and toss in Nassib. I feel they would present our best combination of talent and youth. Meder, Hughes, Bryant and Ogbo being proper backups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Post Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 Good topic. Really like the idea of you mentioning Hortons defense. I believe there will be some surprises come Aug of who's on the roster and who isn't. What is intriguing about the defense is the safety position. You guys know more about the Browns than I do so I'll continue reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted June 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2016 Where Cal went - Danny, Nate, Coop. I'll take it a step further and toss in Nassib. I feel they would present our best combination of talent and youth. Meder, Hughes, Bryant and Ogbo being proper backups. Agreed! Change is gonna come off that edge; and it won't be by accident. There is no substitute for experience, so a lot of these guys already learned what they need to do to be more consistent performers. Danny? Pad height, which can be partially solved by losing weight and getting into better shape. If you've ever blocked somebody that didn't have good endurance late in a sustained drive or in a game - it's not uncommon for them to surrender leverage with sloppy pad heights. David doesn't even need a sling shot to kick Goliath's ass. Our coach would always remind us, "You want to know why you run all those sprints and hills? Look where and why we're taking over this game at crunch time." Losing some of the pus gut will also help Danny bend better. And like Cal pointed out, you can't have your defensive girth running wind sprints on and off the field every other play like the staff did last year. Imagine sprinting 45 yards to the 4 yard line so you can get in a stance out of breath to face Nick Mangold plus an OG. This ain't high school in Eastern PA. I know Rex Ryan gets silly sometimes so when he compared Demario Davis to Ray Lewis - it was obviously a stretch. That said, he's a productive, experienced LB that explains why Rex felt so cozy with his reliability. The other ILB spot should have a pretty good competition for Kirksey. I don't know how soon either of these guys emerge and where Horton sees them in terms of inside or outside but I'm intrigued to see what Wright and Schobert do. Schobert looks like he has vanilla chocolate twitchies in that video of him dunking a basketball as well as some of his highlights blitzing passers. Not bad instincts either. The thing that jumped out at me most when I watched highlights of Nassib and Wright was how frequently they stripped the ball loose from QBs/RBs/Receivers. You can flip a lot of field position with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted June 26, 2016 Report Share Posted June 26, 2016 Only three years a go we talked about our secondary being the strength of the D. My, how times change... Now, if we have a strength, it appears to be in the DL, but even that is not a given. And we play a 3-4... where the strength has to be the LB group. A strength not threatened since??? 1999? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted June 26, 2016 Report Share Posted June 26, 2016 Is Ogbah going to be an LB....or a DE.....or more likely...a Hybrid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted June 26, 2016 Report Share Posted June 26, 2016 Is Ogbah going to be an LB....or a DE.....or more likely...a Hybrid? Elephant spot. He'll be coached on playing a 2pt LB spot. However I'm sure he'll be brought along slowly so I'd expect him to get looks at the 3pt as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted June 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2016 Good topic. Really like the idea of you mentioning Hortons defense. I believe there will be some surprises come Aug of who's on the roster and who isn't. What is intriguing about the defense is the safety position. You guys know more about the Browns than I do so I'll continue reading. Thanks! Don't worry about how much you know or don't know - that never stops Ghoolie. He must think the day he finally gets something right - the mods are going to give him a new pair of blue jeans with the front pockets cut out so he can take inventory every time he thinks about Ben Roethlisberger. Interesting point about Safety being a position of intrigue for you. If Horton got his NFL Diploma from the LeBeau Institute of Defense - Safety will definitely be a position to watch. TJ Ward made the Pro Bowl here in 2013 when Horton was the DC. Back in Pittsburgh, Pollyneedsahaircut used to frequent Pro Bowls in a zone blitz scheme that counted on him to be their gridiron chess Queen attacking from anywhere, advertised or unadvertised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Post Posted June 26, 2016 Report Share Posted June 26, 2016 Thanks! Don't worry about how much you know or don't know - that never stops Ghoolie. He must think the day he finally gets something right - the mods are going to give him a new pair of blue jeans with the front pockets cut out so he can take inventory every time he thinks about Ben Roethlisberger. Interesting point about Safety being a position of intrigue for you. If Horton got his NFL Diploma from the LeBeau Institute of Defense - Safety will definitely be a position to watch. TJ Ward made the Pro Bowl here in 2013 when Horton was the DC. Back in Pittsburgh, Pollyneedsahaircut used to frequent Pro Bowls in a zone blitz scheme that counted on him to be their gridiron chess Queen attacking from anywhere, advertised or unadvertised. The Browns Safety position is so young. I was looking for them to pick up a vet during FA. Either a star emerges or they get burnt. Better have some pressure is all I can say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted June 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2016 The Browns Safety position is so young. I was looking for them to pick up a vet during FA. Either a star emerges or they get burnt. Better have some pressure is all I can say. They signed a 26 year old veteran Free Safety - Rahim Moore. That doesn't change the experience level at Strong Safety though. Someone brought up moving Mingo to Safety before. That can be a bad idea and it can be a good idea. The worry with putting him in the back tier of defense is he's not a very good tackler for a few reasons: 1) he's got the instincts of a raccoon crossing a highway at night time, 2) has piss poor fundamentals (partly from playing through a painful shoulder injury and partly from not being in enough control to square up to form tackle people, 3) he doesn't always keep his head up in pursuit often leading to over-pursuit or vulnerability to change of direction. A lot of his issues can be solved with coaching, repetition, and weekly preparation for tendencies... The positive is he's got long levers to go with his 6'4" frame and ideal fitness which could all come in handy in coverage. He's always hustling, which shows me a work ethic an innovative mind coordinating our defense might be able to tap. Oh yeah, back to a zone blitz scheme that likes to blitz it's Strong Safety in a variety of ways ranging from x-stunts to delayed x-stunts to an anticipated vulnerable gap of a protection up front your central intelligence/coaching staff identified preparing for an offense's tendency. One of the best blitzes I ever saw from Mingo was a delayed x stunt from the outside and as soon as the OG locked up on someone - Mingo closed at the speed of light and sacked the QB. Why all that? I thought I remembered hearing Horton say he had a different plan for Mingo this year than he had the last time. It could be that kind of thinking outside the box that puts Mingo at SS. The Dick LeBeau defense not only loves to blitz the SS, but he also likes his SS to camp out in the box after the snap. On the other hand, Mingo finally bulked up to about 260 lbs this off-season so he might have Taylor Mays'd himself out of any thoughts of playing Safety. Stay tuned... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted June 26, 2016 Report Share Posted June 26, 2016 Elephant spot. He'll be coached on playing a 2pt LB spot. However I'm sure he'll be brought along slowly so I'd expect him to get looks at the 3pt as well. Ogbah. A 6'4" 273 lbs. with 4.63 40 speed & 35 1/2" arms. That's a wingspan. I like it in either point.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Post Posted June 26, 2016 Report Share Posted June 26, 2016 They signed a 26 year old veteran Free Safety - Rahim Moore. That doesn't change the experience level at Strong Safety though. Someone brought up moving Mingo to Safety before. That can be a bad idea and it can be a good idea. The worry with putting him in the back tier of defense is he's not a very good tackler for a few reasons: 1) he's got the instincts of a raccoon crossing a highway at night time, 2) has piss poor fundamentals (partly from playing through a painful shoulder injury and partly from not being in enough control to square up to form tackle people, 3) he doesn't always keep his head up in pursuit often leading to over-pursuit or vulnerability to change of direction. A lot of his issues can be solved with coaching, repetition, and weekly preparation for tendencies... The positive is he's got long levers to go with his 6'4" frame and ideal fitness which could all come in handy in coverage. He's always hustling, which shows me a work ethic an innovative mind coordinating our defense might be able to tap. Oh yeah, back to a zone blitz scheme that likes to blitz it's Strong Safety in a variety of ways ranging from x-stunts to delayed x-stunts to an anticipated vulnerable gap of a protection up front your central intelligence/coaching staff identified preparing for an offense's tendency. One of the best blitzes I ever saw from Mingo was a delayed x stunt from the outside and as soon as the OG locked up on someone - Mingo closed at the speed of light and sacked the QB. Why all that? I thought I remembered hearing Horton say he had a different plan for Mingo this year than he had the last time. It could be that kind of thinking outside the box that puts Mingo at SS. The Dick LeBeau defense not only loves to blitz the SS, but he also likes his SS to camp out in the box after the snap. On the other hand, Mingo finally bulked up to about 260 lbs this off-season so he might have Taylor Mays'd himself out of any thoughts of playing Safety. Stay tuned... If Mingo plays anywhere in the secondary ill be watching that's for sure. Lol ya you may be right he just might be going there. I think Mingo needs stability so if they do put him back there keep him back there. Mingo has been thru a lot of different coaches. Of course I say "back there" in reference to where SS would usually play but with Horton its a new deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted June 26, 2016 Report Share Posted June 26, 2016 1) he's got the instincts of a raccoon crossing a highway at night time, Flugels ************************************************** It's a smart thing I waited til AFTER I drank my gulp of ice tea for my keyboard's sake ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted June 27, 2016 Report Share Posted June 27, 2016 Here's a look at our roster on Defense heading into training camp where we can expect good competition for starting jobs, situational roles, and active roster spots. I'll apologize in advance for the crappy job I did with specifying what roles I see for some guys. Defensive Line: Danny Shelton DT/NT Jamie Meder DT/NT CAMP BATTLE 1 spot John Hughes III DT CAMP BATTLE 1 spot Xavier Cooper DE/5 Tech Desmond Bryant DE/5 Tech Carl Nassib DE Nile Lawrence-Stample DL CAMP BATTLE Winner or PS Linebacker: BEST LIST IN A LONG WHILE-BEST DAWG FIGHTER'S WINS Demario Davis ILB Christian Kirksey ILB Scooby Ruh-Wright ILB/OLB Joe Schobert OLB/ILB Nate Orchard OLB Emmanuel Ogbah OLB Barkevious Mingo OLB Paul Kruger OLB Tank Carder ILB Armonty Bryant OLB Dominique Alexander LB Justin Tuggle LB Jackson Jeffcoat LB Defensive Backs:SHORT,SHORT, TO DAMN SHORT. WHEN WILL WE GET A CLUE OUR DIVISION HAS TALL WR'S & TE'S. HOBBITS & SMURFS DON"T BELONG HERE EITHER Joe Haden CB Tramon Williams CB K'Wuan Williams CB Jamar Taylor CB-TRADE FROM MIAMI not bad Justin Gilbert CB -NEW KO RULE & LOCATION OF WON"T HELP ROSTER SPOT. CAN"T CATCH A PUNT NEITHER. BETTER BALL OUT AT CB Pierre Desir CB Charles Gaines CB-WE UPGRADED HIS STATUS TO OUT Ibraheim Campbell SS-BIG YEAR Jordan Poyer FS-GOOD SIZE & TACKLER. LIKE HIM AT S Don Jones FS Rahim Moore S-TEXANS RELEASED HIM CAUSE OF MISSED TACKLES Derrick Kindred S-HERE"S YOUR NEW MARLON MOORE ON ST A.J. Stamps DB-WATCH THIS KID A S ALSO,BETTER SIZE Tim Scott DB Eric Patterson DB-NOT BAD AT RAMS NOR PATS If I left anyone out or kept somebody on that's already departed - please let me know. Since the goal here in the doldrums of summer is discussion - here's some questions you can feel free to answer as many as you want or share something else on your mind. Any positions excite you in particular? LB BATTLES What players are you most intrigued by? OGBAH, THAT SIZE CAN"T RUN THAT FAST.PROOF IT Do any names make you think - I forgot about him, glad he's still here? JOSH GORDON-WHAT A TALENT TO WASTE-SHOWTIME OR DOPETIME A lot of our DBs and LBs can crack in as STs players - who do you want us to keep an eye on? KINDRED & SCOOBY Do we have enough "big men that can run and little guys that can hit" for Horton Hears a Hue?WATCH BIG NILE STAMPLE & JACKSON JEFFCOAT CAN PLAY IF HEALTHY What guys do you think will respond best to Horton's scheme? OGBAH & NASSIB WILL PLAY MEET AT THE QB in time. It'll be fun to see what guys benefit most from their 1st year of experience on the field and via offseason conditioning. Who do you think will fall into this category?SHELTON Do we have the ingredients to hurry more passers and create more turnovers?SACK FUMBLES YES,DON'T TRUST A DB IN LONG TERM COVERAGE EVER How do you think our front 7 will be at stopping the run?STOP OVER PURSUIT & 1ST CONTACT TACKLE. RECIPE THAT KILLS THE LONG ONE THAT KILLS US WEEKLY How do you think our LB Corps will be at dropping into their coverage zones on time to be effective?IF A OLD THOMAS DAVIS & KUEGLEY CAN. WHY NOT US I'm looking forward to reading your thoughts about the Defense... Most interesting questions your wife won't ask you all week Bless ya Flug, YES honey i was cleaning The Man Cave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Post Posted June 27, 2016 Report Share Posted June 27, 2016 You're such a ham Gumbo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted June 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2016 Most interesting questions your wife won't ask you all week Bless ya Flug, YES honey i was cleaning The Man Cave Great job with that Gumby. Did I ever tell you what the 2 most important words after "I do" are? "Yes dear." Do you want to know another potential pleasant surprise joining our rookie LB class? Dominique Alexander, may sound more like a female stripper but he's actually our undrafted ILB out of Oklahoma - the 3rd highest rated ILB in Lindy's Draft Guide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted June 27, 2016 Report Share Posted June 27, 2016 Great job with that Gumby. Did I ever tell you what the 2 most important words after "I do" are? "Yes dear." Do you want to know another potential pleasant surprise joining our rookie LB class? Dominique Alexander, may sound more like a female stripper but he's actually our undrafted ILB out of Oklahoma - the 3rd highest rated ILB in Lindy's Draft Guide. Put the damn ball on the Tee & let's Go..Camp in July & August is like Christmas opening new gifts. These bitches our still wrapped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted June 27, 2016 Report Share Posted June 27, 2016 A Happy Wife is a Happy Life. And a Happy Football team is a group of guys who love the game, are smart and talented, and want to WIN, with no soap opera crap, from players or anybody else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted June 27, 2016 Report Share Posted June 27, 2016 A Happy Wife is a Happy Life. And a Happy Football team is a group of guys who love the game, are smart and talented, and want to WIN, with no soap opera crap, from players or anybody else. Might be the finest post I've seen on here in some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted June 27, 2016 Report Share Posted June 27, 2016 They signed a 26 year old veteran Free Safety - Rahim Moore. That doesn't change the experience level at Strong Safety though. Someone brought up moving Mingo to Safety before. That can be a bad idea and it can be a good idea. The worry with putting him in the back tier of defense is he's not a very good tackler for a few reasons: 1) he's got the instincts of a raccoon crossing a highway at night time, 2) has piss poor fundamentals (partly from playing through a painful shoulder injury and partly from not being in enough control to square up to form tackle people, 3) he doesn't always keep his head up in pursuit often leading to over-pursuit or vulnerability to change of direction. A lot of his issues can be solved with coaching, repetition, and weekly preparation for tendencies... The positive is he's got long levers to go with his 6'4" frame and ideal fitness which could all come in handy in coverage. He's always hustling, which shows me a work ethic an innovative mind coordinating our defense might be able to tap. Oh yeah, back to a zone blitz scheme that likes to blitz it's Strong Safety in a variety of ways ranging from x-stunts to delayed x-stunts to an anticipated vulnerable gap of a protection up front your central intelligence/coaching staff identified preparing for an offense's tendency. One of the best blitzes I ever saw from Mingo was a delayed x stunt from the outside and as soon as the OG locked up on someone - Mingo closed at the speed of light and sacked the QB. Why all that? I thought I remembered hearing Horton say he had a different plan for Mingo this year than he had the last time. It could be that kind of thinking outside the box that puts Mingo at SS. The Dick LeBeau defense not only loves to blitz the SS, but he also likes his SS to camp out in the box after the snap. On the other hand, Mingo finally bulked up to about 260 lbs this off-season so he might have Taylor Mays'd himself out of any thoughts of playing Safety. Stay tuned... Mingo anywhere in the secondary would be nothing short of an unimaginable disaster. As for 'strong safety'... keep in mind there really isn't such a thing with Horton. The backend DB's in his defense are to be interchangeable (per his own words) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted June 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2016 As for 'strong safety'... keep in mind there really isn't such a thing with Horton. The backend DB's in his defense are to be interchangeable (per his own words) I did keep that in mind. Horton keeps his SS cheating up in the box on the occasions he isn't blitzing the SS. Otherwise, having a guy with bad instincts and suspect tackling skills in the back tier at a more conventional type of Safety could be a disaster. I don't think they would have wanted him bulked up over 260 lbs if the plan was in the back tier though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob806 Posted June 27, 2016 Report Share Posted June 27, 2016 Here's a look at our roster on Defense heading into training camp where we can expect good competition for starting jobs, situational roles, and active roster spots. I'll apologize in advance for the crappy job I did with specifying what roles I see for some guys. Defensive Line: Danny Shelton DT/NT Jamie Meder DT/NT John Hughes III DT Xavier Cooper DE/5 Tech Desmond Bryant DE/5 Tech Carl Nassib DE Dylan Wynn DE Nile Lawrence-Stample DL Rose Kyle DL Cam Johnson DL Linebacker: Demario Davis ILB Christian Kirksey ILB Scooby Ruh-Wright ILB/OLB - They are already talking about using him on STs Joe Schobert OLB/ILB - I'm also hearing about a potential role on STs with him Nate Orchard OLB Emmanuel Ogbah OLB Barkevious Mingo OLB Paul Kruger OLB Tank Carder ILB - Good special teams player with upside on trial Armonty Bryant OLB - Very disappointed in the trouble he couldn't resist off the field Dominique Alexander LB Justin Tuggle LB Jackson Jeffcoat LB Defensive Backs: Joe Haden CB Tramon Williams CB K'Wuan Williams CB Jamar Taylor CB Justin Gilbert CB - Offers STs ability. How will he respond to changes and experience as a Corner? Pierre Desir CB Charles Gaines CB Ibraheim Campbell SS Jordan Poyer FS Don Jones FS Rahim Moore S Derrick Kindred S A.J. Stamps DB Tim Scott DB Eric Patterson DB If I left anyone out or kept somebody on that's already departed - please let me know. Since the goal here in the doldrums of summer is discussion - here's some questions you can feel free to answer as many as you want or share something else on your mind. Any positions excite you in particular? Yes, I really believe we may have a solid LB core for once. I was happy they drafted so many- Schobert and Scooby should push the vets. What players are you most intrigued by? Do any names make you think - I forgot about him, glad he's still here? A lot of our DBs and LBs can crack in as STs players - who do you want us to keep an eye on? Do we have enough "big men that can run and little guys that can hit" for Horton Hears a Hue? What guys do you think will respond best to Horton's scheme? It'll be fun to see what guys benefit most from their 1st year of experience on the field and via offseason conditioning. Who do you think will fall into this category? Do we have the ingredients to hurry more passers and create more turnovers? Yes. Hopefully immediately, but it may take a bit of time to develop. How do you think our front 7 will be at stopping the run? How do you think our LB Corps will be at dropping into their coverage zones on time to be effective? I'm looking forward to reading your thoughts about the Defense... So many new faces, and a new staff, but I like the plan. Horton's been around, with his experience I'm hopeful the D will produce. My only concern is with so much youth, will they grasp the scheme(s)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted June 27, 2016 Report Share Posted June 27, 2016 Safety: - I'm OK with Poyer. He had some good starts in relief of Gipson. - Mingo? Questionable agility for the position prior to latest bulk-up... Ogbah: - seems a natural to push Kruger for time, but also expect to see him opposite Krugs. - have a feeling will see a lot of him in packages; seems ideal for rush/drop options out of sets where 9+ are in 2-point stances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted June 27, 2016 Report Share Posted June 27, 2016 Any positions excite you in particular? Pass Rush - Orchard and Ogbah could be on to something special. What players are you most intrigued by? Ogbah, the new look Shelton and Nassib. Do any names make you think - I forgot about him, glad he's still here? Tramon Willams - as #2 corner he's solid. A lot of our DBs and LBs can crack in as STs players - who do you want us to keep an eye on? Schobert. Might not see much immediate playing time on D, but should do well on ST. Do we have enough "big men that can run and little guys that can hit" for Horton Hears a Hue? Probably not. We're a 3-13 team that lost/cut three of our better defenders. What guys do you think will respond best to Horton's scheme? Shelton, Mingo. It'll be fun to see what guys benefit most from their 1st year of experience on the field and via offseason conditioning. Who do you think will fall into this category? Orchard, Shelton Do we have the ingredients to hurry more passers and create more turnovers? More? Sure. Enough? ... How do you think our front 7 will be at stopping the run? Mediocre at best. But I'll take that after all this time. How do you think our LB Corps will be at dropping into their coverage zones on time to be effective? Decent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted June 27, 2016 Report Share Posted June 27, 2016 Dylynn winns back on tje roster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 It will be fun to watch a defense evolve from one of the worst in the league to maybe average. Most want to see how the blend of old and new players evolves through the season. Can't play any worse so it should resemble a real D team for a change. Not sure I can say the same for the O. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted July 4, 2016 Report Share Posted July 4, 2016 Any positions excite you in particular? Cant say I feel like we got a lot better at any one position, though I am excited that we tapped so many new linebackers. With all the new guys(is it 5??) Id expect one or 2 to rise and improve the level of play we've been seeing the past few years What players are you most intrigued by? Ill go with the 2 later round LB's....Schobert and Scooby......got a feeling one of em will step up..... Do any names make you think - I forgot about him, glad he's still here? No....well, maybe Haden.....if he returns to form. If he doesnt, it'll be a long year on the D side.... A lot of our DBs and LBs can crack in as STs players - who do you want us to keep an eye on? Mentioned above.....Schobert and Scooby..... Do we have enough "big men that can run and little guys that can hit" for Horton Hears a Hue? No. I think it'll be a year or 2 before this D takes the next step..... What guys do you think will respond best to Horton's scheme? Mingo did well as a rookie under Horton and, Im hoping, that they find a way to propel Gilbert toward reaching his potential.....2 physical talents that no one has been able to capitalize on...... It'll be fun to see what guys benefit most from their 1st year of experience on the field and via offseason conditioning. Who do you think will fall into this category? Campbell is the one Id expect to take a large step forward. Should be a strong box safety and give us some solid tackling in place of Whitner. The other possibility is Shelton, who I think will be solid solid solid....... Do we have the ingredients to hurry more passers and create more turnovers? Eh....not so sure about this.....Ogbah is the only hope and Im not a fan of the ole DE becomes LB routine......maybe the 6th time is the charm..... How do you think our front 7 will be at stopping the run? Id expect the same or worse......dont really see an obvious position that we got better at.....Dansby and Starks may have been long in the tooth, but right now, I dont see replacements that I can say are an upgrade....(just some potential and hope) How do you think our LB Corps will be at dropping into their coverage zones on time to be effective? As long as Kruger isnt playing.....will someone cut this guy already???!!! edit....forgot about Orchard, who I also expect to see take a big step forward....he could be our best hope for improving the pass rush....now, who will be his counter part on the other side....Ogbah?... Mingo?....Schobert?..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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