LogicIsForSquares Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 It seems some think we should be on the hook to pay Israel's bills because of the Holocaust. If one of your neighbor's breaks another neighbor's window, do you feel the need to atone forever even though you weren't at fault? Germany should be the one feeling the need to comp everything Israel does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 I think the threats, violence against, and fragile security makes them a differenct case, than our other allies. Iran isn't saying they want to blow England, France, or Germany, Norway off the map... it's Israel. The so-called Palestinians could have had their own state, too, back in the day...but they refused because they didn't want to live next to the new planned Jewish state, the Jews they hated anyways. So, they cut off their nose to spite their face, as the old saying goes, and Israel lives everyday with terrorism, and threats, and more threatened hideous violence, even against children. I'd say that gives Israel a far more serious, loyal standing with western countries, and makes Israel's stituation stand out as a very serious, special case requiring far more support in protection. Not just any ally, ya know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted March 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 Yes Chris, partially because they are Jewish. We have a large, successful and influential Jewish community here in the United States. Americans always seem to root for the underdog as well with Israel being at odds with nearly every other country around the region. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 Palestinians sort of have a legitimate beef with Israel in my opinion but that's not my business. We have a lot of problems we could be working on in America before bending over backwards to prop up israel. Sell them weapons to defend themselves? Sure. Help them if they get into a tight spot? Of course. But act as their heavy? Nah. If they want to be a legitimate state they have to defend themselves. They chose the middle east for their nation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 The analogy, Logic, is nonsense. There is no historical tragedy of gigantic proportions associated with a neighbor's window breaking. Your neighbor can fix their window. The Jews can't fix the Holocaust. It's so horrible, and devastating in world history. And it must never happen again. We see the same nazi style widespread crimes against humanity with the daesch sp? now. The world can't slip into world war again. The first time Iran has a nuke and sends it to Israel, Israel will respond back. Then the whole rest of the world can be happy that it didn't have anything to do with them when nuclear winter debris floats around the world, all over everything. When a simple denying Iran nukes in the first place, and supporting Israel bigtime, would have sufficed to make the world so much a safer place. If you had to pick, which one do you pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 Again, we did not cause the Holocaust. Germany should be the one bending over backwards to help out Israel. I would pick letting Israel fight their battles because they have the means to do so. They are an ally. Not some welfare state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 Palestinians sort of have a legitimate beef with Israel in my opinion but that's not my business. We have a lot of problems we could be working on in America before bending over backwards to prop up israel. Sell them weapons to defend themselves? Sure. Help them if they get into a tight spot? Of course. But act as their heavy? Nah. If they want to be a legitimate state they have to defend themselves. They chose the middle east for their nation. Cysko ******************************************************************* Baloney. The Palestinians have no legit beef with Israel. Of course Israel has always defended itself. Israel defended itself during the 7 day war. Didn't want our direct military intervention. They won. But allowing Israel to be declared war on, and them defending themselves...what do you think happens then? And they didn't choose the ME, they have always lived there, and their country was created for them by the UN. The Palestinians have only their own stupid, anti-Semitism subculture to blame for their own pitiful plight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 I hate to break it to you cal but war is inevitable and with the nature of how we have electronically shrunk the globe another world war is inevitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted March 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 remember that Israel did not take land from Palestine. They were attacked, not by Palestinians, but by Egypt Lebanon Syria and Jordan. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 Again, we did not cause the Holocaust. Log ********************************************* BstinkinS. Nobody is saying that. But the west tragically allowed it to happen. ************************************************ Germany should be the one bending over backwards to help out Israel. ********************************************** More BS: http://articles.latimes.com/keyword/germany-foreign-aid-israel That's just back in 1991. More recently, http://www.khouse.org/enews_article/2012/1917/ But is take more than just one western country to support Israel to stop aggression towards Israel. ************************************************************ I would pick letting Israel fight their battles because they have the means to do so. ************************************************************ Sure. They've never asked for our soldiers to help them fight. But we do not want them to have to fight a war because of open aggression by hateful countries. Not supporting them, like Obamao is doing, openly gives aggressor countries a "green light" to a degree. ************************************ They are an ally. Not some welfare state. **************************************** Grass is green or brown, depending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 Perhaps, then, those countries donating large amounts of money to Israel to defend itself from the threats of other countries should at the same time be aiming to reduce the threats as well? Like from Iran, for example, reducing their military capacity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 I remember the pictures from Palestine after 9/11. People were partying in the streets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted March 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 Perhaps, then, those countries donating large amounts of money to Israel to defend itself from the threats of other countries should at the same time be aiming to reduce the threats as well? Like from Iran, for example, reducing their military capacity? I would be pleased to see Iran's military capacity disabled if there were a feasible plan. If there were a way to knock out their nuclear facilities I would be all for it. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 Why are we so worried about Iran's military capability? Are we afraid of Iran? I think it's obvious that having a strong country over there is better than having lawless chaos. Are we better off with isis raging over there or were we better off with saddam and ghadafi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 Pakistan and north Korea have nuclear capabilities and Russia is the probable preeminent nuclear power and I trust none of them any more than I trust Iran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 I would be pleased to see Iran's military capacity disabled if there were a feasible plan. If there were a way to knock out their nuclear facilities I would be all for it. WSS I think it's unlikely - and unfair? - to disable a country's military capacity. Reduce/limit, absolutely, but every country should be able to defend itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 A....I liked what Mark Twain said in 1898 about the Jewish people: http://ohr.edu/judaism/concern/concerna.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted March 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 I think it's unlikely - and unfair? - to disable a country's military capacity. Reduce/limit, absolutely, but every country should be able to defend itself. I should have said nuclear capability. But along your reasoning why would it be fair to reduce or limit it at all? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted March 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 A....I liked what Mark Twain said in 1898 about the Jewish people: http://ohr.edu/judaism/concern/concerna.htm True WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaporTrail Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 C - Our support of them is what makes us a target to Islamic militants. And we give them way too much, billions of dollars each year that they use to make life worse for the Palestinians. That said, our support makes that region incredibly unstable, which is important for some of our long-term interests (oil). I would expect, however, that once the Iranians make a nuclear bomb, we're going to stop bending over backwards for Israel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 Our support of them is what makes us a target to Islamic militants. Vapor *********************************************************** Your point is what, exactly? We should be anti-Semite, become Islamic extremists so they will like us? We would be a huge target regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 http://jcpa.org/article/israel-is-not-the-issue-militant-islam-and-america/ Nah. Surely Islamic extremist terrorists don't kill other Muslims because WE support ISRAEL. good...gravy "The early Wahhabi movement, which had formed a political alliance with the Saudi family, attacked Shi’ites as heretics and even sacked the Iraqi Shi’ite holy city of Karbala in 1801, slaughtering its residents. The Taliban, who came out of Islamic seminaries in Pakistan funded by Saudi Arabia and inspired by its Wahhabi doctrine,13 actually continued this violent Wahhabi tradition through their harsh treatment of Afghan Shi’ites. - See more at: http://jcpa.org/article/israel-is-not-the-issue-militant-islam-and-america/#sthash.KDNVjriE.dpuf" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 Fuck the Palestinians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 Our support of them is what makes us a target to Islamic militants. Vapor *********************************************************** Your point is what, exactly? We should be anti-Semite, become Islamic extremists so they will like us? We would be a huge target regardless. Still don't see how someone is an anti-Semite for disagreeing with Israel. That doesn't mean someone hates jews. It means they disagree with a country's policies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 No. They've positioned it so that you either support Israel unconditionally or you're an anti semite. Muslims learned this lesson so now if you speak against Islamic terrorism you're an Islamophobe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 Oh yeah forgot about that. I am also a klansman if I disagree with the president's decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 Still don't see how someone is an anti-Semite for disagreeing with Israel. That doesn't mean someone hates jews. It means they disagree with a country's policies. Log ************************************************** Because it isn't true. Nobody is saying that. Anti-semite means HATRED FOR JEWS. So, we should withdraw all support for Israel so the terrorists will like us? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism They'll still hate us. Anything else is just nonsense. And why disagree with their policies? What is it that you disagree with ? You become one of them, or you die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 I didn't even say I disagreed. I am just saying anyone who questions our dedication to giving billions to a perfectly capable country get the "antisemite" label dropped on them. I don't like welfare queens or charity cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 sorry, but I haven't seen that "anti-semite" label used for disagreeing about aid to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 sorry, but I haven't seen that "anti-semite" label used for disagreeing about aid to them. well then you haven't been looking even at your own posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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