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No surprise we would be ranked highly here:

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Josh Cribbs is an elusive, explosive returner who shows great instincts and deceptive strength when hitting a crease. Cribbs scored three return touchdowns last season and broke several more long returns that changed field position for his team. Kicker Phil Dawson is extremely consistent, but punter Dave Zastudil and his coverage team were inconsistent, averaging only 34.6 net yards per attempt. Cleveland has the ability to tip field position in its favor when Cribbs has the ball in his hands, but there is always the chance their own coverage units will give that position back.


Funny thing about the Hester vs Cribbs discussion. I actually like Cribbs better. He is more consistant on getting close to 30 yards on every return.

Sure, the runback for a TD is exciting and all that...but the truth is it puts your D back out on the field immediately without ANY rest. A runback to the opponant 20 or so allows the offense to come out and use up a little clock while giving the D a bit of a rest. The runback for TD has immediate impact...but over the course of the game the CONSISTANT returns of 30 or so yards may actually be more devestating.

Baltimore 8
Pittsburgh 21
Cincinnati 26


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Who was #1?
 
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Had to be the Bears.


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Or the Bills.


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Nah the media's hard-on for Hester has to vault them to #1...right????


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Bears #1
Bills #3
Texans #4
Chargers #5


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I find it kinda humerous how the 'experts' are so gaga over Hester when Cribbs is statistically the better Kickoff return man.

Take a look at 2007 Kickoffs
Cribbs 30.7 ave, 2 td, 49 for 20+, 7 for 40+
Hester 21.7 ave, 2 td, 20 for 20+, 2 for 40+

Hester is the better PUNT returner:

Cribbs 13.5 ave, 1 td, 6 for 20+, 2 for 40+
Hester 15.5 ave, 4 td, 10 for 20+, 4 for 40+

Overall we have:
Cribbs 3td, 55 for 20+, 9 for 40+
Hester 6td, 30 for 20+, 6 for 40+

So who had a greater affect on their teams field position? Pretty obvious to me.


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I agree WPB...just shows how much media hype not only influences "rankings", but player/team perception by fans. How much more run does Hester get on, say, ESPN, than Cribbs? Almost criminal.


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With several prime-time games, Cribbs will have many opportunities to make a bigger name for himself.
 
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And a timely article on Cribbs from ESPN:

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From raw free agent to elite returner, Cribbs proves quick study
By James Walker
ESPN.com

Updated: July 18, 2008, 11:29 AM ET

From the day he joined the Cleveland Browns as an undrafted rookie, there was always something unique about Joshua Cribbs. The return specialist arrived with a certain quality that couldn't be quantified at a scouting combine.

Special teamer Joshua Cribbs returned two kicks and one punt for a touchdown during the 2007 season.
Some call it "heart." Some call it "fearlessness." Players often describe it as a certain "swagger." Regardless of the term, Cribbs showed up to his first training camp with the confidence of a first-round pick, although every team -- including the Browns -- ignored him in the 2005 NFL draft.

But by the end of his first season it was clear that Browns general manager Phil Savage and head coach Romeo Crennel discovered a gem. Three seasons later, Cribbs is Cleveland's special teams ace and is fresh off his first Pro Bowl appearance.

"Coming in as a rookie, I was just trying to make the football team," Cribbs said. "I didn't care what I played. I could play O-line, D-line, any position to make the team, and that's what showed up when I took the field, was the desire to play in the NFL."

Walker: Cribbs or Hester?

Hester has 11 returns for touchdowns in two seasons. Cribbs has five in three seasons, but is also on kick and punt coverage. So who is the best? Blog
Cribbs never returned a single kick at any level until he made it to the pros. But the former Kent State quarterback had a natural instinct for it and is considered the AFC's version of Chicago Bears returner Devin Hester.

The two players have different styles -- Hester seems quicker, Cribbs seems more powerful -- but both are effective. They combined for an astounding nine kickoff and punt returns for touchdowns last season. Cribbs scored twice on kickoffs and once on a punt, and Hester tied an NFL single-season record with six return touchdowns.

So who's better?

"I let my stats speak for themselves and so does he," said Cribbs, who meets Hester in a preseason showdown on Aug. 28 in Cleveland. "He's a real humble guy and right now he's got me on punt returns. I was the best kick returner in the NFL and he's the best punt returner in the NFL for 2007, but 2008 is untold."

In the 2008 Pro Bowl, Cribbs had six kickoff returns for a 26-yard average (including a long of 41 yards) and Hester averaged 33 yards on five kickoff returns(including a 51-yard effort). Neither had a punt return in the Pro Bowl, which the NFC won 42-30.

With 11 career scoring returns, Hester is widely regarded as the most explosive kick returner in the NFL. But Browns special teams coach Ted Daisher said he would take Cribbs over anyone in the league because of his versatility.

Cribbs also plays on two coverage teams, leading Cleveland in special teams tackles the past two seasons.

The physical Cribbs excels in kick coverage too.
"There really is no one else in the NFL that does all the things that Josh does,'' Daisher explained. "There's guys that are great kick returners like Devin Hester and Roscoe Parrish in Buffalo, but you don't see those same guys go down on a kickoff and hit a wedge and make a play, or (field) a punt. Josh has all those skills and those tools."

There is a secret to Cribbs' success that traces deep into his childhood. The catalyst is Harold Cribbs, Joshua's older brother.

Harold was the star athlete in the family before Joshua had a chance to be. The younger brother always followed the older brother to his games and at age six, Harold began introducing Joshua to football the hard way -- through blood, bruises and scrapes.

"We used to play football on concrete, and he used to hit me hard, knock me into the bushes and had me crying," Joshua Cribbs said. "Then he'd keep me quiet so he won't get in trouble for doing it. My brother made me tougher and I love him for that. Without the hard work he instilled upon me, I probably wouldn't be where I am today."

That toughness has translated well in the NFL. Cribbs plays with reckless abandon and has only missed two games in three years due to injury. He's been nicked and beat up, but he also dishes it out.

Cribbs' return style is very physical, mimicking more of a running back than his secondary position of wide receiver. He is stocky at 6-foot-1, 215 pounds, with enough strength to run through arm tackles and the speed to break away from bigger defenders.

"Once he gets in the open field, he's kind of hard to deal with," Daisher said.

By the middle of last season teams began waving the white flag.

Opponents gradually were kicking away from Cribbs. Some would try kicking it to Cribbs at the beginning of games, then avoid him in the second half. Others would decide before the game that it was safer to avoid Cribbs entirely, such as the case last season against the Arizona Cardinals.

As easygoing as Cribbs is, this is the one topic that often gets under his skin. Cribbs only has a few chances to have an impact in a game, so he does not enjoy teams taking away those opportunities.

"It's a sign of respect, but at the same time it's a sign of defeat," Cribbs said. "It's saying your team is not capable of (covering the kick). It's 11 guys, man up!

"We don't kick away from nobody … I don't agree with kicking it away (from other teams), so I don't agree with people kicking it away from me. Everybody who is in the NFL is on the field, so your team should be capable of stopping one guy."

As a coach, Daisher has to work constantly with Cribbs to explain that avoiding a dangerous returner is just part of the game.

"Obviously Josh is frustrated, because obviously he wants to make a play," Daisher said. "But he has to understand it's all for the team and field position and just take it for what it is. It's respect from another team for Josh's skills."

As the Bears have tried to incorporate Hester into their offense as a wide receiver, the Browns are experimenting with Cribbs as a wideout. They want to throw Cribbs a few more short passes and reverses. But the Browns are careful not to exhaust Cribbs and affect what he does best on all four coverage teams.

Cribbs also has expanded his talents to land a television deal as well.

Last year Cribbs completed his first season on a local cable television show, aptly named "Josh's Cribbs." It has no set theme: One episode focused on his family's hunt for a Christmas tree. The success of the show also helped paved the way for teammate Joe Thomas, who recently landed a local hunting and fishing show that recently completed its first season this summer. Both have been ratings successes in Ohio as locals can't get enough of seeing what their favorite players are doing away from the gridiron.

"Season 2 is on the way, and it's going to be hot again," Cribbs said while laughing. "But anytime I can open the door for anybody else to come in and succeed and get notoriety, it's good. We want all of our players to get noticed. We want our team as a whole to get noticed, and it's happening."

Browns fans have identified with Cribbs for the past three seasons, and now the secret is out.

With five primetime games and a spotlight shining on Cleveland in 2008, a lot more people will get to see the dynamic talents Cribbs has to offer.

James Walker covers the NFL for ESPN.com



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Cribbs had a BS call on Friedman bring back a TD against SF last year. That was a friggin putrid call.



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Hester is the better PUNT returner:

Cribbs 13.5 ave, 1 td, 6 for 20+, 2 for 40+
Hester 15.5 ave, 4 td, 10 for 20+, 4 for 40+
I'd probably agree with you, though Steve Doerschuk makes an interesting point about Cribbs' punt returns last year:
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He spent half the year getting the hang of returning punts, bringing back just one more than 20 yards. In the second half, he consistently broke longer punt returns, peaking in the finale against San Francisco (135 yards on four touches).
And if you take take Cribbs' stats from the second half of the season, he averaged 18.25 yards per return (24 ret., 438 yards).

I thought that there may be some late-season bias towards greater return numbers, so I also checked Hester's. It turns out his return averages decreased in the second half of the season - he averaged 11.0 yards per return (20 ret., 220 yards).

That was probably due to teams using directional punting to avoid long Hester returns, whereas teams hadn't yet decided to avoid Cribbs (his two best games in the second half of the season were the last two). I'd imagine that teams will also use directional punting against Cribbs this year.

So I'd expect both guys to have lower punt return numbers this year - it'll be interesting to see whose numbers end up being more impressive.
 
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No surprise we would be ranked highly here:

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2. Cleveland Browns
Josh Cribbs is an elusive, explosive returner who shows great instincts and deceptive strength when hitting a crease. Cribbs scored three return touchdowns last season and broke several more long returns that changed field position for his team. Kicker Phil Dawson is extremely consistent, but punter Dave Zastudil and his coverage team were inconsistent, averaging only 34.6 net yards per attempt. Cleveland has the ability to tip field position in its favor when Cribbs has the ball in his hands, but there is always the chance their own coverage units will give that position back.


Funny thing about the Hester vs Cribbs discussion. I actually like Cribbs better. He is more consistant on getting close to 30 yards on every return.

Sure, the runback for a TD is exciting and all that...but the truth is it puts your D back out on the field immediately without ANY rest. A runback to the opponant 20 or so allows the offense to come out and use up a little clock while giving the D a bit of a rest. The runback for TD has immediate impact...but over the course of the game the CONSISTANT returns of 30 or so yards may actually be more devestating.

Baltimore 8
Pittsburgh 21
Cincinnati 26


The concern with the Bears is that they do not want their offense on the field. lol


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The concern with the Bears is that they do not want their offense on the field. lol



I watched several of their games last year and I was under the impression that Devon Hester WAS their offense.


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No surprise we would be ranked highly here:

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2. Cleveland Browns
Josh Cribbs is an elusive, explosive returner who shows great instincts and deceptive strength when hitting a crease. Cribbs scored three return touchdowns last season and broke several more long returns that changed field position for his team. Kicker Phil Dawson is extremely consistent, but punter Dave Zastudil and his coverage team were inconsistent, averaging only 34.6 net yards per attempt. Cleveland has the ability to tip field position in its favor when Cribbs has the ball in his hands, but there is always the chance their own coverage units will give that position back.


Funny thing about the Hester vs Cribbs discussion. I actually like Cribbs better. He is more consistant on getting close to 30 yards on every return.

Sure, the runback for a TD is exciting and all that...but the truth is it puts your D back out on the field immediately without ANY rest. A runback to the opponant 20 or so allows the offense to come out and use up a little clock while giving the D a bit of a rest. The runback for TD has immediate impact...but over the course of the game the CONSISTANT returns of 30 or so yards may actually be more devestating.

Baltimore 8
Pittsburgh 21
Cincinnati 26

that is absolutely retarded. give me the six anytime.
 
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No surprise we would be ranked highly here:

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2. Cleveland Browns
Josh Cribbs is an elusive, explosive returner who shows great instincts and deceptive strength when hitting a crease. Cribbs scored three return touchdowns last season and broke several more long returns that changed field position for his team. Kicker Phil Dawson is extremely consistent, but punter Dave Zastudil and his coverage team were inconsistent, averaging only 34.6 net yards per attempt. Cleveland has the ability to tip field position in its favor when Cribbs has the ball in his hands, but there is always the chance their own coverage units will give that position back.


Funny thing about the Hester vs Cribbs discussion. I actually like Cribbs better. He is more consistant on getting close to 30 yards on every return.

Sure, the runback for a TD is exciting and all that...but the truth is it puts your D back out on the field immediately without ANY rest. A runback to the opponant 20 or so allows the offense to come out and use up a little clock while giving the D a bit of a rest. The runback for TD has immediate impact...but over the course of the game the CONSISTANT returns of 30 or so yards may actually be more devestating.

Baltimore 8
Pittsburgh 21
Cincinnati 26

that is absolutely retarded. give me the six anytime.



No, it's not "absolutely retarded." It's not as if it's six or nothing on every return. I'd much rather have my offense starting their drives CONSISTENTLY past the 35, 40 or even in plus territory as opposed to getting a couple more TDs on returns over SIXTEEN GAMES and CONSISTENTLY having lesser starting field position for my offense.

Sorry pal, but I'm not seeing what's so "absolutely retarded" in that mentality.


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This ain't Arena Football sugar britches, it's the NFL.

Myself nor anybody has the time right now to explain you the way it is.

I'll tell you what kid, come my way and I'll break down some football for ya.....best that I can.

No need to feel bad about lacking knowledge of the game....

I gots lessons to give to morons....



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This ain't Arena Football sugar britches, it's the NFL.

Myself nor anybody has the time right now to explain you the way it is.

I'll tell you what kid, come my way and I'll break down some football for ya.....best that I can.

No need to feel bad about lacking knowledge of the game....

I gots lessons to give to morons....


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This ain't Arena Football sugar britches, it's the NFL.

Myself nor anybody has the time right now to explain you the way it is.

I'll tell you what kid, come my way and I'll break down some football for ya.....best that I can.

No need to feel bad about lacking knowledge of the game....

I gots lessons to give to morons....


Cheers, Riffer Cheers


Dallas fans are bottom of the barrel dumb**** fair weather pussies. Always have been and always will.

Cheers to you to Timmay.....this is Cleveland Browns football,,,,



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Dallas fans are bottom of the barrel dumb**** fair weather pussies. Always have been and always will.

Cheers to you to Timmay.....this is Cleveland Browns football,,,,[/QUOTE]

And Browns fans think that a legal statement by the NFL gives their team history.


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