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Timugen

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So he was out boating and he was drinking?

I'm not seeing the problem here.

Citing somebody for drinking while boating? To borrow from a classic flick, that's "like handing out speeding tickets at the Indy 500."

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Obviously there is a lot of bias against police officers being shown here, probably due to some run-ins with the police yourselves. I've never had a bad experience with a cop. Yes, I've had tickets, but by being polite and respectful, I'm treated the same in return. Yes there are bad cops, just like there are bad lawyers, doctors, teachers, construction workers, salesman, etc. My guess is that there are more bad apples in the NFL, as a percentage, then there are bad cops. In this case, as well as any other, there are 2 sides to every story. Personally, I tend to gravitate towards believing the police until I'm shown proof to the contrary.

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Being in Law Enforcement myself

Biggest shock EVER.

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RifferX

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Originally posted by WPBDawgfan:
Personally, I have no idea what happened on lake Travis..and don't really care. The problem is that there is a lot of unnecessary tension between civilians and the police force.

Think about this...all of you who are saying 'cops are a-holes'.

First off - I hate the fact that even NEWS people call police officers cops. Just by using that particular term it detracts from the respect they should receive for doing a PUBLIC SERVICE! Ask yourself where the term comes from...it has always been a term used for the police by CRIMINALS. Now it is mainstream. Sad.

Second - Anytime you are told not to do something, or get busted doing something, it is human nature to deny it and blame it on the person busting you (and maybe someone else as well). It started when we were kids. "My parents are wrong, the are soooo strict". Well, sure, in your eyes the cops may be a-holes, but they aren't just looking out for you, but everyone else. So while busting you for drunk boating may ruin your day...it may very well save somebody elses life!!! Deal with it!!!

Third - If you are working a line of work as inherently dangerous as a police officer, and you get any heated or physical feedback, don't you think you might be a little more incline to use whatever means you have to protect yourself? I mean, you hear about police officers getting killed every day. They have no idea of Mr. Drunk Boater with 10 friends are going to have enough sense to cooperate or if they may escalate the issue. So, a little pre-emptive pepper spray BEFORE it gets too crazy may seem like a pretty good idea.

I for one can't imagine doing the job these officers do. I wouldn't want to even try. And yet they get no respect, get questioned every time they use any type of force, and get ripped by the NEWS on a daily basis. Then they get the "why weren't you there" or "they never did anything" when they don't go shoot the guy that robbed us or did our family harm.

They can't win...and I for one am sick and tired of everyone always going to bat for the guy getting busted. Maybe, if you don't break the law you wouldn't have a problem. Maybe, if you do get caught, but show a little respect you won't have a problem. Just maybe.

Give me a freaking break, yoyu act like every cop out there is some sort of saint. Get a clue and come off the high horse, there are hundreds of thousands of cops in this country, they are nothing special. Doesn't mean I hate them, but stop putting these peole on a pedestal, please. You think the average guy busting his ass in a precarious and dangerous job wouldn't like the option of taking his frustrations out on someone else without getting in trouble? Christ almighty, get off the cops nuts for gods sake, some of them are fooking retards.

Yes, there are plenty good one, but it doesn't mean I have to tickle their testicles for doing their job. You hear about cops getting killed every day???? I don't, just like I don't hear about every non-hero construction worker getting killed on the job or by some nutcase driver on a cell phone going through a zone.

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choco

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im a cop...cops dont do bad things....they didn't get beat up in high school and have a knack for slinging powr against thosr that have none.

i speak for all police, since we all have one goal in common....protect the peace. we would never instigate a situation because we are swore to uphold the law....

if you dont get what im saying, read the last 5 posts. just because youre an astoudt officer has no bearing on the way another officer conducts himself. why do you think the common people generally hate police? if you really wanna know, dont reply like a jackass...

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riffer...I would like to know where exactly you saw me say that there were NO bad cops? Because I didn't. I am talking about the desensitization that has occurred over the past 20 years that makes it NORMAL for everyone to not only be upset when they get a ticket, or get busted doing something wrong...but to basically disrespect police out of hand.

You also see it in how teachers are treated. It used to be that they got respect. Now you get a bunch of 12yr olds ganging up on their teacher and putting them in the hospital.

Respect, to me, is something EVERYONE deserves. But if you are unwilling to give it, you sure as h*ll can't expect to receive it. So by you having an attitude that 'cops' don't deserve respect, you are pretty much going to communicate that in any contact you have with them. And you will be treated in kind.

Even if you do happen to run into a 'bad cop', respect will generally difuse the situation. So you get a ticket you didn't deserve. Fight it in court where you should. At least you aren't getting tasered or pepper sprayed. Easy.

And as far as 'tickling their testicles'??? Ummm, not even sure why you decided to go there. I guess you think respect is something special instead of something that should be common courtesy!!!

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Just a little statistical FYI

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Overview
The FBI collected assault data from 10,346 law enforcement agencies that provided service to nearly 223 million persons (74.4 percent of the Nation’s population). (Based on Table 63.)
The participating law enforcement agencies that reported assault data to the FBI employed 495,270 sworn officers. Of these, 58,634 were assaulted while performing their duties.
The rate of assaults was 11.8 per 100 sworn officers.
There were 15,704 assaults on officers that resulted in injuries.
More information about these topics (including breakdowns of assaults on officers by region and population group) is included in Tables 63, 64, 66, 69, and 70.

Injuries
26.8 percent of the 58,634 officers assaulted suffered injuries.
28.5 percent of the officers who were attacked with personal weapons (e.g., hands, fists, or feet) sustained injuries.
13.5 percent of the officers who were attacked with knives or other cutting instruments suffered injuries.
10.2 percent of the officers who were attacked with firearms were injured.
23.5 percent of the officers who were attacked with other types of dangerous weapons experienced injuries.

This is for 2006. In that year 48 officers were killed by 'nefarious' acts.

I doubt you will find those kinds of numbers for construction workers/line workers/etc...getting assaulted by a-holes anywhere near that often...or even getting accidently injured.

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RifferX

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Originally posted by WPBDawgfan:
riffer...I would like to know where exactly you saw me say that there were NO bad cops? Because I didn't. I am talking about the desensitization that has occurred over the past 20 years that makes it NORMAL for everyone to not only be upset when they get a ticket, or get busted doing something wrong...but to basically disrespect police out of hand.

You also see it in how teachers are treated. It used to be that they got respect. Now you get a bunch of 12yr olds ganging up on their teacher and putting them in the hospital.

Respect, to me, is something EVERYONE deserves. But if you are unwilling to give it, you sure as h*ll can't expect to receive it. So by you having an attitude that 'cops' don't deserve respect, you are pretty much going to communicate that in any contact you have with them. And you will be treated in kind.

Even if you do happen to run into a 'bad cop', respect will generally difuse the situation. So you get a ticket you didn't deserve. Fight it in court where you should. At least you aren't getting tasered or pepper sprayed. Easy.

John, I get what you are saying, believe me. I don't like the general lack of respect shown to teachers, adults, seniors, cops or to anybody the way it's been going, but your first post came across as kind of lecturing. I still don't think you've ever been in any situations where cops were just condescending and dickheadish because they can be, and that is frustrating.

Russ

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actually riff...I have been. I grew up in a small town and the two 'deputies' basically thought they owned the town. The way the strutted reminds me of Barney Fife!!! Anyway, I was having trouble with my car stalling (and then not starting again), so I was revving the engine at the light. Not exactly a felony. One of them pulled me over, made me shut off the car and get out. He had me standing there for almost an hour before he 'let me off with a warning'. And of course my car wouldn't start, but he just got in his cruiser and drove away. No phone anywhere near and no cell phones then. Was so late after my car started I almost lost my job...all because 'Barney' had a hard-on.

Anyway, I am convinced that if I had acted up and mouthed off I would have been spending a night in the jail instead of pleading for my job. That is part of my point. Respect still defuses issues.

But, just because that small town dufus was a dufus...I stil think that there is a MAJOR problem with the way police are represented by the media and treated by the public at large.

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RifferX

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I, for one, don't feel like cops have to be perfect people. The crap they have to put up with in a lot of urban environments begets the response due. Just as you hear how so many police are racist, well, if you saw and put up with what they do daily and it was the same people propagating the tension, it may be very easy to be construed as racist by standing ones ground.

I think most of us have known some police who are just complete toolbags at some point, but there are also those who have to deal with real situations on a daily basis. I got to know quite a few Cleveland police when I was a road construction foreman some years back, and once you get inside that community a little it's easier to see which ones are real people and which ones are in it for their best interest. The ratio is not that different, believe me. They also used to be adament about the danger of doing traffic control with us and how it was the most dangerous thing they had to do.

I'll say something else, too, and that is when cops are grouped together they tend to act a whole lot harder than when they are alone or by themselves, so the fact that they could bully someone like Benson would not surprse me in the least. Rarely do you see police "negotiate" with someone when they are alone, but let about five others be there and it's "go time."

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Yeah, I guess police are just as likely to suffer from 'crowd rage' as the next person. I swear, the intelligence of people drops by half for every person you add to a crowd!!!

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quote:
Originally posted by choco:
im a cop...cops dont do bad things....they didn't get beat up in high school and have a knack for slinging powr against thosr that have none.

i speak for all police, since we all have one goal in common....protect the peace. we would never instigate a situation because we are swore to uphold the law....

if you dont get what im saying, read the last 5 posts. just because youre an astoudt officer has no bearing on the way another officer conducts himself. why do you think the common people generally hate police? if you really wanna know, dont reply like a jackass...

If you learn how to spell maybe someone will pay attention to your opinion.

"When the going gets tough, the tough gets going".

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He said he'd drank but wasn't drunk... and it was TEXAS, which is probably the reason I've been edging toward Ced's version of things.

"Texas. It has Texans."

That is SUCH an arrogant and condenscending statement. I have lived in many places and been too many more... and the largest amount of racism I have ever seen?? Guess where... OHIO. Go ask about the cops even in the 80's and early 90's in Dayton for instance. Second to that... Marin County, california. Bunch of rich white liberals who are SO COMPASSIONATE because they give their money to those poor little black people in taxes... but you oughta hear what they say behind the backs of the same people they "care about."

Its Texas... Tell you this much, In Texas a black man has as much if not a better chance to a fair trial as they do in Ohio.

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Preacher, Shep "supposedly" is a famous writer who lives in a luxurious Hollywood mansion.

"When the going gets tough, the tough gets going".

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Originally posted by DieHardBrownsFan:
Preacher, Shep "supposedly" is a famous writer who lives in a luxurious Hollywood mansion.

Interestingly....

that only makes my statement more poignant... Southern Californian arrogance...

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Originally posted by Preacher:
quote:
Originally posted by DieHardBrownsFan:
Preacher, Shep "supposedly" is a famous writer who lives in a luxurious Hollywood mansion.

Interestingly....

that only makes my statement more poignant... Southern Californian arrogance...

Lousy Southern Californians. All they ever do is buy into stereotypes.

Dennis

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quote:
Originally posted by Dencyguy:
quote:
Originally posted by Preacher:
quote:
Originally posted by DieHardBrownsFan:
Preacher, Shep "supposedly" is a famous writer who lives in a luxurious Hollywood mansion.

Interestingly....

that only makes my statement more poignant... Southern Californian arrogance...

Lousy Southern Californians. All they ever do is buy into stereotypes.

Dennis

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Originally posted by mz:
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Originally posted by Dencyguy:
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Originally posted by Preacher:
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Originally posted by DieHardBrownsFan:
Preacher, Shep "supposedly" is a famous writer who lives in a luxurious Hollywood mansion.

Interestingly....

that only makes my statement more poignant... Southern Californian arrogance...

Lousy Southern Californians. All they ever do is buy into stereotypes.

Dennis

Agreed. I'm going to Area tonight with Lindsey Lohan and Paris Hilton tonight. Toodles!

I too live in California. It is amazing what happens in this state.

I have really grown to dislike the Cal. state gov.

Amazing... they believe that they know how to live my life better than I do.

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Busted again, this time Driving While Intoxicated in Austin, TX.

http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs...unning_back_ced.html

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