11-5? Playoffs? Super Bowl? 23+ tds < 15ints? 3500+ passing yds?

Before the season starts, step up and post what you think would be an acceptable season from the guy.

Don't care who the QB is, but anything less than the playoffs is not a successful season.

First, let me just say I don't see myself...or many on this board..as DA bashers. I see us as being realistic as to his strengths and weaknesses, especially when we MAY have a viable option sitting on the bench. With that said...

I don't think STATS/NUMBERS is where I can tell you what I want to see. I really don't care if he ends up with a high 50% completion rate if it is because he is throwing the ball out of bounds instead of throwing INT's on forced balls...or because we are going deep FREQUENTLY.

I also don't care that much about yards...because I am hoping to see the Browns offense run closer to 50/50 on pass/run, so even if he has less yards than last year, it could be a successful year.

Wins...believe it or not...is not a MAJOR factor either, as their are a myriad of things that could go wrong and cause losses that would not be reflective of DA's performance.

The ONLY stat that I definitely NEED to see improvement on is the turnovers. Last year DA threw 19 INT's and had 1 fumble for a total of 20 turnovers. To me that is unacceptable going forward. I believe he needs to reduce his TOTAL TURNOVERS to under 15.

Outside of that, he just has to demonstrate growth in his leadership and control of the huddle, not tail off at the end of the year, and not fold in pressure situations. AFter all, those are the qualities of ELITE QB's.

Based on your own wants, DA already had quite an impressive year. It was called a ROOKIE PRO BOWL season. Turnovers are a part of the game and he or BQ will have turnovers. The key is to avoid the HORRIBLE turnovers. If you're expecting our starting QB to be among the elite (Brady, Manning,...) you're gonna be waiting awhile. We need a solid ball control QB that will allow our running game to floursih, make timely throws that convert on 3rd down as needed, and a deep threat to make the running game even more of a threat.

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Originally posted by OZZIE:
Based on your own wants, DA already had quite an impressive year. It was called a ROOKIE PRO BOWL season. Turnovers are a part of the game and he or BQ will have turnovers. The key is to avoid the HORRIBLE turnovers. If you're expecting our starting QB to be among the elite (Brady, Manning,...) you're gonna be waiting awhile. We need a solid ball control QB that will allow our running game to floursih, make timely throws that convert on 3rd down as needed, and a deep threat to make the running game even more of a threat.

He had, OVERALL, an impressive FIRST YEAR as a starter (he was NOT a rookie, and was at the Pro Bowl because of an injury).

However, the turnovers COMBINED with the low completion percentage are an issue. One or the other is OK, but together it is a killer. Also, he tailed off at the end of the season...which cannot occur. Notice, the SB winning QB got BETTER at the end of the season.

So no, he did not in my mind have an impressive season...but it did show he has the POTENTIAL for greatness. It is up to him to take it to that next level.

25+ TD's 14 or less INT's, no more than 2 INT's in one game. 3400+ yards passing. 63%+ completions. 95+ qb rating would do it for me.

DA's not going to repeat last year.

Cake schedules and the fact that nobody took yinz seriously does wonders for an offense all around.

I'm guessing that by, say 1-4, the panic button gets pushed and DA gets yanked for Queen.

Then the fun starts.

Regards



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I'll sum up their feelings on the upcoming season:

"19-0 is expeceted against that cupcake schedule comin up. We don't care about WINS or PLAYOFFS. IT'S THE EASIEST DAMN SCHEDULE I EVER SAW AND ANY PIECE OF CRAP COULD MAKE THE PLAYOFFS. IF YOU DON'T WIN THE SUPERBOWL YOU'RE A FAILURE AND GET THE HELL OUT OF TOWN. AND EVEN IF YOU DO WIN THE SUPERBOWL GET THE HELL OUT OF TOWN ANYWAY!

But if cutie pie Brady Quinn is playing, 4-12 is okay, he's just had a hard offseason with that bad man DA taking his reps and he has an owie on his forehead from plucking his eyebrows. I also heard he had a sore back SO RIP AND CHUD BETTER BE IN THERE RUBBIN HIS BACK OR I'M GONNA KICK SOME ASS."

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Originally posted by Lumbergh:
I'll sum up their feelings on the upcoming season:

"19-0 is expeceted against that cupcake schedule comin up. We don't care about WINS or PLAYOFFS. IT'S THE EASIEST DAMN SCHEDULE I EVER SAW AND ANY PIECE OF CRAP COULD MAKE THE PLAYOFFS. IF YOU DON'T WIN THE SUPERBOWL YOU'RE A FAILURE AND GET THE HELL OUT OF TOWN. AND EVEN IF YOU DO WIN THE SUPERBOWL GET THE HELL OUT OF TOWN ANYWAY!

But if cutie pie Brady Quinn is playing, 4-12 is okay, he's just had a hard offseason with that bad man DA taking his reps and he has an owie on his forehead from plucking his eyebrows. I also heard he had a sore back SO RIP AND CHUD BETTER BE IN THERE RUBBIN HIS BACK OR I'M GONNA KICK SOME ASS."

OMG - I finally figured you out Lummy!!! You are IN LOVE WITH BRADY QUINN!!! All your pimping of DA is just a deflection. Your mustache, if you will. All this talk of BQ's physique and how pretty he is in your posts is just your true feelings seeping through your denials.

Gentlemen, I give you Lummikins, THE QUEEN OF THE BRADY QUINN LOVE FEST!!!

Here's a little somethin' for ya, lummy...

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Originally posted by OZZIE:
11-5? Playoffs? Super Bowl? 23+ tds < 15ints? 3500+ passing yds?

Before the season starts, step up and post what you think would be an acceptable season from the guy.

I expect:
wins against opponents that we should defeat.
wins against opponents at our level or above.

if he can do it throwing just 100 yards/game then so be it. If Quinn can throw 400 yards/game and win then play him.

Numbers mean nothing if they don't happen in a win.

I would LOVE for Derek Anderson to clean up his game and look more consistently like the "Good Derek" who beat up on bad defenses last year. Absolutely love it. Quarterback changes make me a little skitty, to be honest.

I find it impossible to look at Anderson's numbers on the whole because they don't reflect his "Two Seasons." He was pretty damn good for 8 or 9 games, then pretty damn bad after that. For the last 7 games, he was Frye-esque, with more INTs than TDs and a 70-ish rating.

Reverse that trend and it's a very, VERY different conversation. But it seemed that defenses made an adjustment and Anderson didn't. And that performance is only worse when you consider it's behind a top offensive line with Pro Bowl receivers and a 1,300 yard back. You can't talk it away by pointing to the overall numbers. It's worrisome.

That said, we would be more patient and optimistic for growth and evolution... if not for the existence of a 24-year-old backup who was a first round pick after being the best quarterback in college football for two years. If we hadn't seen him shine in preseason games after a day and a half in camp... if we hadn't read how hard he works or what a great leader he is or how he's meticulously cleaned up every problem or that he outplayed Anderson in OTAs and minicamp.

All that said, nobody is saying Anderson doesn't go into camp as the starter. I think it's the right thing, too. But after those last 7 games and after the spring, it isn't a birthright. He needs to earn the right to continue starting. The team has basically said one of those two guys will be the quarterback of the Browns for the next 10 years and the other guy will move on... and they need to make the right choice. Nobody owes DA anything but a five mill bonus next March.

I think it IS about numbers, because a quarterback has no control over the defense... and there's a constant correlation between passer rating and winning. Plus, with this offense? Come on. He needs to put up numbers.

While I'd like him to complete more like 63 or 65 percent of his passes, I'd say 60 is his Mendoza line. He really has to top that. In this offense, that should translate to yards, so you'd want him to approach 4,000 yards. You'd like to see him get his TD/INT ratio closer to 2 to 1, a benchmark of sorts. I'd be fine with 60% and 28/14, for instance. Happier with 30/14.

If Anderson throws 28 TDs and 20 INTs and completes 58% of his passes, I think you have a very, VERY clear idea of who this kid is and always has been. And you trade him.

Deep into the playoffs. I could give a rancid Pittsburgher how it's done. I don't care if we rush for 600 yards a game and pass for 0. D E E P into the playoffs.

Doug

A successful season would be a winning season. A season showing that Cleveland Browns football is back, with youth and consistency. The QB debate would be over and we would hopefully make the playoffs. I look forward to EVERY season enough that being a solid/consistent contender would be wonderful.


But playoffs are what every teams plays for...

Again, I don't agree. If the Browns win but Anderson plays poorly, why does he get the job over Brady Quinn?

Answer: He doesn't. They won't pay his 5 mill bonus if they believe they can get equal or better play from Quinn.

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Originally posted by Steeler SChuck:
DA's not going to repeat last year.

Cake schedules and the fact that nobody took yinz seriously does wonders for an offense all around.

I'm guessing that by, say 1-4, the panic button gets pushed and DA gets yanked for Queen.

Then the fun starts.

Care to back that up with anything other than hot air, fatboy? No? Then fcuk off.

It's akin to asking a 11 year old who won a boxing match instead of some moron judges that screw it up.

You simply look at how he plays, period. There are a ton of different factors involved, but winning ugly has no bearing unless you're Rex Grossman. Stats aren't the end all be all, either.

Find a kid and ask him if DA is any good or not, that will probably be your best answer.

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Originally posted by shepwrite:
They won't pay his 5 mill bonus if they believe they can get equal or better play from Quinn.

Why would they ditch DA if they can only get "equal play" from Quinn?

Trade bait. If Quinn could do it for cheaper and you can get something in return for a NFL starting QB...why not.

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Originally posted by Lumbergh:

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Originally posted by shepwrite:
They won't pay his 5 mill bonus if they believe they can get equal or better play from Quinn.

Why would they ditch DA if they can only get "equal play" from Quinn?

They'll ditch one or the other if they feel they can only get equal play from Quinn. My guess is -- considering they are both young -- the guy with less NFL experience gets the door first unless the other can generate more in return in terms of a trade.


Experience goes to DA no question....

However, at this point, little could argue that Anderson is also worth more in trade value.

But this is all hypothetical.

I would want to see improvement.

Higher conpletion percentage on short passes and sideline passes.

Less what the **** ints. bringing his total down to say 15

Similar yards and TDs

Playoffs

Beating Pittsburgh at least once (Isnt this the Ohio State Vs Michigan thing)

I of course think that if DA can improve on short and sideline passes then everything else will fall into place.

And this is the NFL. Wins matter