The rumor is Wally, Boobie, and our #19. I really don't like the idea of losing Gibson, who has future star written all over him (remember, he's all of 21 now).

I'd rather keep Boobie and get Mike Miller. If we could get Redd for the first round pick, Wally, and Snow (for the expiring deal), I'd say go.

I don't want that trade, either. In fact, that trade is flat out insane. I'd much rather have Mike Miller and keep Boobie, too.

Still not in love with the idea of bringing in "outside shooters" under the premise that they'll spread the floor for LeBron without worrying about having playmakers.

If we end up in an offense again where 23 handles the ball and plays point forward, it will be a HUGE mistake.

I like Boobie or West running the point. Both guys are perfectly capable of brining it up and running the offense. Not sure why we're so in love with Lebron at the top of the key.

Kobe catches the ball on the wing about 80 percent of his touches.

LeBron as the point guard could be great if Mike Brown was smarter offensively. The other four guys never seem to make any good cuts or get open for 3s.

I'm not sure why you guys are so against it though. He can still get to the paint with ease, he's the best passer on our team (by far) and since we don't really have anyone who's a true threat to make open shots, it's easy to double or even triple LeBron to deny him the ball. You say Kobe catches it on the wing, but he doesn't really have any point guard skills. Talk to a guy like Iverson and he'll tell you he'd much rather have the ball in his hands.


But I guess we're talking about Michael Redd here. Boobie could be an all-star down the road, but I don't see it happening in Cleveland. He still hasn't learned how to play point and doesn't have enough skills (defense, moving without the ball, penetrating,etc) to warrant big minutes. I'd hate losing him, but I could get over it if we get Redd.

Redd gives us a gunner, a coldblooded scorer who can give you 30, 40, 50 points on a good night (as the Cavs have seen firsthand). He has a great, lightning fast release and is a great penetrator (490 FT attempts last year compared to Mike Miller's 212). And we'd still have Z and Ben coming off the books a year before Redd and LeBron, so we could still make a good free agent push in 2010.

Hopefully after giving up so much in that trade we'd be able to get another draft pick and go after a high-upside big man.

I dont understand it shep you dont want to give up Gibson for REDD?? Redd is one of the NBA's best shooters period. Gibson is not even in the same league and as for potential gibson has not really shown anywhere near what Redd is right now.

We dont have Time on our side with Lebron for Boobie to Possibly develop. We are contenders right now and are DESPERATELY lacking a consistent outside scorer. West is showing sparks of real talent at the point gaurd.

We went toe to toe with the Celtics and their Three bonafide allstars without a consistent shooter. Imangine if we had a real threat like Redd..... Whew I am salivating!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cimo are you saying that Kobe does not have point gaurd skills and passing ability on par with Lebron? I dont like Kobe as a person but he clearly is the Best all around basketball player in the NBA right now. He has every point gaurd skill of setting up and passing/ penetrating that a point gaurd has along with shooting.
He is a true 2 gaurd with point gaurd skills as well as a small forward/post game skills. The guy gets the ball and backs down into the post like a forward something that lebron needs to develop more of.

You make a case, Sev... but I have this gut that Boobie Gibson is gonna be a Kevin Martin kind of guy that just REALLY breaks loose. Or the Golden State kid, Monta Ellis.

He needs the ball more, though. Not sure he can get that until Lebron plays more like Kobe, spends less time with the ball, scores 25 instead of 30 while his team scoring actually goes up.

I like that Monta Ellis thing. I hope it happens. He'll need to get about 10 fold more aggressive, though.

I don't think Kobe has the point-guard skill set that you guys think he does. He's been a pure selfish shoot first shooting guard for most of his career, now he's just passing a few more times than he shoots. Don't confuse that with being a point guard type. It doesn't hurt that a huge percentage of those passes are turning into assists instead of missed shots.

And he's getting way easier looks at the bucket because his teammates are playing great. He's getting the ball inside the foul line half the time, WITH single coverage. He's rarely even getting double teams anymore. Especially not from the Spurs.

I personally don't think Kobe could do the 1 vs. 5 point-forward thing LeBron does. BUT, I also don't think LeBron could do the unstoppable individual scoring that Kobe does. At least yet because he doesn't have the shot for it.

It's funny, a year ago we were saying how Kobe needs to play unselfish like LeBron. Now we're saying LeBron needs to play unselfish like Kobe.

The problem really is the amount of time and/or dribbles. He just has the ball too much, which means he isn't cutting or moving without the ball, like Kobe. It's so one dimensional and easy to defense.

Pluto agrees today about a guard who can create off the dribble. Redd, Hinrich, and Davis are his picks, but Davis is going into this option year and will want enormous money at 29. He thinks Redd is the first choice and Hinrich isn't a bad idea at all.

He categorizes Gibson as a "stationary shooter" right now... but I think he's capable of much more. But you really can't do it if everybody's screaming at you to give the ball back to Lebron and pray for a few kickouts a game.

It's just bad policy, as they say. We need an offense that isn't Lebron, Lebron, Lebron. It'll make him better.

If we could start Hinrich and Boobie, two combo guards, that would be very interesting. Hinrich CAN create off the dribble right now and both guys can definitely shoot.

Makes West the energy guy off the bench who can also shoot. Keep Sasha for length and defense... and can also shoot. Plus he can spell Lebron.

In this scenario, you draft a big who can score and to develop.

I would be happy with that scenario, Heinrich is good and can create from the dribble but he is not in Redd's league.

I do agree with you shep I cant stand point gaurd Lebron, Shooting gaurd lebron but never small forward lebron.

If Ferry lets Gibson go, it will be a huge mistake...he's only 21 years old and he can shoot the lights out!

Boobie had one big game against the Pistons LAST YEAR. This year he was nothing but slightly under average, and plagued with injuries for the playoffs. I'll take Redd over him any day. Boobie doesn't even average 10pts a game, rebounds less then two, and isn't very good at assisting anybody but LBJ.

Redd is 4x the player Boobie will ever be. Boobie is a cute story, LBJ's little wing man, but thats it. He will never amount to anything but a bench player.

Good day.

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Originally posted by ra42mario:
Redd is 4x the player Boobie will ever be. Boobie is a cute story, LBJ's little wing man, but thats it. He will never amount to anything but a bench player.

Unfortunately, I agree with this. He's a spot on shooter but just doesn't have the physical talent to be a standout all-star type. Doesn't have the size or dribbling ability.

I like the comparison to Monta Ellis, but that's probably not likely.

Not to mention Monta isn't a shooter to begin with.

I don't really see a player like Hinrich or Miller putting this team over the top. I think we need a true all-star player. Even with a center piece like LeBron, I just don't think a team gets that much better by adding average players to fill holes.

You could argue LA and New Orleans went over the top by adding role players, but their second (and even third) best players are much better than anything the Cavs have after James.


Now if you wanted to get Redd for Wally, #19 and Gibson and THEN make a move for a complementary player, I'm all for it. I think it would be pretty smart to go after a guy like Duhon or Charlie Bell who wouldn't require too much in return and can play some solid point off the bench.

Cimo, I like most of your post (and I was stunned to see that Ellis shoots so bad from 3, because he's just a blast to watch and I never noticed)... but I think you can build a good, deep supporting cast around a true superstar.

If we added Hinrich and Budinger, for instance, I think you have some really interesting combinations to play with. The other guards would be Boobie, West, and Pavlovic, and Pav and Budinger can also play the 3 on those rare occasions Lebron sits.

Z, Wallace, Smith, and Andy rotate in the 4/5. Andy and Wallace do NOT play together.

That's 10 deep. I think we could win a lot of games with that group.