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Well, he was. We were talking about how Al Gore recommended that the Congress not ratify Kyoto. He was against making the Kyoto treaty US law.

Care to admit you were wrong about that?

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Do you see how stupid it makes you look when you continually accuse me of making false statements, and gloating over them, and it turns out you're the one who is wrong?

And why doesn't that ever stop you?

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Resolved, That it is the sense of the Senate that--

(1) the United States should not be a signatory to any protocol to, or other agreement regarding, the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change of 1992, at negotiations in Kyoto in December 1997, or thereafter, which would--

(A) mandate new commitments to limit or reduce greenhouse gas emissions for the Annex I Parties, unless the protocol or other agreement also mandates new specific scheduled commitments to limit or reduce greenhouse gas emissions for Developing Country Parties within the same compliance period, or

(B) would result in serious harm to the economy of the United States; and

(2) any such protocol or other agreement which would require the advice and consent of the Senate to ratification should be accompanied by a detailed explanation of any legislation or regulatory actions that may be required to implement the protocol or other agreement and should also be accompanied by an analysis of the detailed financial costs and other impacts on the economy of the United States which would be incurred by the implementation of the protocol or other agreement.

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Steve, you dolt (really, there's no other word for it anymore), you're wrong. The vast majority of capital gains taxes are paid by the wealthy.

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(B) would result in serious harm to the economy of the United States; and

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Pulling in the developing nations

Gore, who often serves as the administration's point person on environmental issues, said the U.S. intends to press for "meaningful participation by key developing nations." Until that happens, the administration will not seek a ratification vote in the Senate, Gore said.

"As we said from the very beginning, we will not submit this agreement for ratification until key developing nations participate in this effort," Gore declared. "This is a global problem that will require a global solution."

The U.S. plans bilateral talks with key developing nations, he said.

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Steve, you're not doing yourself any favors here.

No one is suggesting that Al Gore didn't work on the Kyoto treaty as vice president. We pointed out that you didn't know know that Gore wasn't satisfied with the outcome and urged that we vote against it back in 1998.

You still don't seem to get that. Do you get that part?

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Originally posted by Westside Steve:

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Steve, you dolt (really, there's no other word for it anymore), you're wrong. The vast majority of capital gains taxes are paid by the wealthy.

That's not what you said, dolt.
You said the vast majority of people who pay cap gains are wealthy.
That is a lie if you need to stick with it.
A misstatement if you don't.

So to recap.
No the vast majority of people who pay capital gains are NOT wealthy.
Kyoto IS Al Gore's dumbass scam.
He helped "fashion it" as Vice President.
His own words.
Do you deny that?
Probably between re inventing government and inventing the internet.

Dolt.
WSS

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Originally posted by Aloysius:
You got me, WSS. Gore believes that 1) We should join the Kyoto process; and 2) that process should include developing nations.

Those two things are completely irreconcilable.

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I don't think it's a caricature of your position to say that you don't think reducing greenhouse gases is possible because we're all too selfish to do anything about it.

Correct Alo.
I think that's a pretty fair take.
"We're" also includes the rest of the world.
I don't see any country getting rich from manufacturing seriously cutting back.
I don't see much chance of making the Amazon a world "park" and stipping the destruction of the rain forest.
I don't see any support at all for a major cutback on meat production.
I personally have no wish to live like the Japanese.
I like big houses heating and air conditioning lots of space and driving when and where I like.
So does everyone here I'd bet. Even Sev, who resists much of that temptation would prefer it if environmentally possible.



Otherwise, I don't see much of a reason to oppose Gore's vision of Kyoto: one in which all nations reduce their emissions.