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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
So you're saying that even though race isn't a factor in being admitted in those 34 slots, it could have been a factor?
What are you saying? Be specific. |
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Steve, this is getting ridiculous. Who cares if he did make the HLR because he got a little race advantage (which, heck is right, you have no basis to claim)? No one has questioned his ability as an academic. No one will. He was a good student and an able teacher. You were right to call the article a puff piece (like most political articles written this time of year). I think at one point Cass claims that Obama craps roses that he donates to charity. You get a point for that, kind of. But this affirmative action argument is bizarre.
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
I read it here. It must be true. I'm blogging the hell out of it now! (Funny line. Kind of Dency-esque.) |
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Wow, cool, I now exist in the adjective form. I haven't been this proud since a friend of mine came up with "Dennicism" (I had mentioned that I wanted a sin named after me--I came up with the name, he added the description): the state of being so cynical and sarcastic that no-one can ever be sure if you're serious or not, to the point that you can insult someone and have them take it as a compliment or compliment someone and have them be insulted. Dennis |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
A director tagged my writing style as "Sheparian." Which he called "magic in the real world." It seems like magic and maybe it is, but it probably isn't.
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McCain is going to have a hard time heads up so I see the republicans transparency "you cant possibly want a black man in office........can you???"
Sick and sad but it is what it is. |
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Skipper of the Lake Erie Booze Patrol Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters  |
Toop, just read what I said. Never do I say he's unqualified or stupid. Never do I say racial preference is the sole or main reason he's where he is. Never did I say I've got affadavits from any guy who voted. I said that in the racislly charged atmosphere at that time at Harvard it's possible that race was considered along the way. Now if you and Heck say it isn't possible then all I can tell ya is that it doesn't ring true IMO. So it can't really be proven one way or the other. Just ask yourself if it's possible. In private. As far as the argument getting ridiculous, sure. If you guys think I'm that far off base, we'll just disagree on that. I'm not the guy hammering away. Cheers WSS You don't have to answer me but just consider it. |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
You're still missing the point.
You don't have evidence to back up what you're saying. Usually that keeps people from saying things. They say things like, "You're right. I retract that. I have no evidence to suggest that Bill helped Jimmy kill Frank." But apparently you don't feel that you need to have any evidence to back up what you're saying. You'll freely disparage someone as long as it "rings true" to you in your head. "Yes, I know I have no evidence, but it surely seems like Bill helped Jimmy kill Frank." "But you have no evidence that he did." "But it rings true." "Um..." And you can't seem to grasp a simple fact - that a majority of the editor slots at the HLR don't use race as a criteria anyway. Yet you still insist that they'd go ahead and use it. Perhaps for kicks. I don't know what you're suggesting here. Ex: Say he had the 10th highest score in the competition, and his grades were the 14th highest in the class. In other words, he's in, whether he's white, black, or Jeter. Yet you're still insisting that race was a factor, even in this scenario! Just how race-obsessed are you? |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Q: Can a black student make it into the HLR on merit alone? Do you think that is possible?
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Skipper of the Lake Erie Booze Patrol Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Yes. Q: Is it possible that his race might have been a conideration? WSS |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Yes.
What gives you any indication that it was? |
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Skipper of the Lake Erie Booze Patrol Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Just a gut feeling considering the circumstances at the time. "Barack Obama and the Presidency of the Harvard Law Review: Journal of Blacks in Higher Education, Autumn 2004 Kenneth Mack: Barack had already made an impression on both the second- and third-year student editors. If I remember properly, he had already participated in a committee that would plan the annual issue devoted to some new development in law, and was also holding forth in the forum where impressions were formed quickly among the staff — the editors' lounge....Like all of us, he was ambitious, but he never seemed that way. The African-American editors had been strategizing to elect one of our own to the presidency for several years, and it was not an easy task.... four black editors threw their hats in the ring for the election to the presidency in the winter of 1990. Seventeen editors eventually decided to run for the position." Again this isn't proof but it does seem to give speak to the atmosphere at the time. WSS |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Oh my lord. But you have to have proof to make that claim! You don't get to accuse someone because it makes sense in your head, or because you'd like it to be so!
Holy cow - have you no intellectual standards? You agree that the criteria for most of the editor slots has nothing to do with race, and that you have no proof that Obama didn't earn one of those slots through merit alone. And you even admit that earning a spot on merit alone is something he could have done, and something that was likely since he was one of the top students in his class. All the arguments point in the other direction. At best they're inconclusive. But you're still going to choose to live with the belief that he didn't merit admission as an editor on his own!! What explanations do we have left? That you can't reason properly? Racism? Pig-headedness? |
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Skipper of the Lake Erie Booze Patrol Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
No Heck. I don't. If I say I'd bet OJ probably killed his wife or Karl Rove invented antrhax (or whatever else you accuse him of) it's that it seems reasonable to me. If you or Tupa find that unreasonable fine. But you're just getting tiresome now and would not place a requirement of absolute proof on anything else. WSS |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Then shut up! |
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Skipper of the Lake Erie Booze Patrol Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Ahhhh As non responsive as ever. WSS |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Yes, the person who's written 30 posts on this subject is non-responsive. More parody material for Dennis, anyway.
The point is - and it's such a basic one that I can't even believe you're still arguing it - is that you shouldn't allege something to be true when you don't know that it's true, especially when the evidence suggests that it isn't true. Especially when it makes you look like such a racist prick. Obama must have needed help to become an editor at the HLR because he's black - in essence, that's what you're saying. He could have made it in on merit, but I don't think he did. "Just a gut feeling I have." Well, no shit. You should probably try to move past those gut feelings, or at least hide them from public view. |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Funny that this whole discussion started because a bunch of people suggested that something might be true without knowing if it were true. That was bad.
But when you do it... |
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Skipper of the Lake Erie Booze Patrol Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Hey if you're honest it happens all the time. We give opinions on things we have absolutely no way of knowing. Just about every day. Everything from what happened to the WMDs to who orchestrated the McCain "love child" calls. WSS |
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Skipper of the Lake Erie Booze Patrol Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
No. What I'm saing is that there certainly is a part of the process in which race has recently become an optionial criteria. Also that Kenneth Mack writes that the African Americans on the review were working to place one of their own in the presidents chair. And that Barak himself admits the possibility though he would not and should not be ashamed if it were indeed the case. That's what gives my personal opinion that slight edge. It could be that no one there considered race. But I have no proof of that either. I don't know how much clearer I can be. WSS |
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