Okay, so it's set.

A bunch of you didn't think Obama would beat Hillary. And even more have said that Obama will never beat McCain.

I'd be willing to bet anyone right now that Obama will be the next president. It's just not looking good for a Republican this year.

Anyone want to take that bet? Legacy, want another go around? DieHard? Cal? You guys have all proclaimed that Obama will never be president.

Anyone?

So I say this: I would be stunned, flabbergasted, and bewildered if a Republican could win the White House in this environment.

So it'll probably happen. I watched the Bush-Gore debates and found the notion of Bush as a governor hilarious... let alone president of anything. I mean, including the Rotary Club.

And he almost got half the popular vote, putting his party close enough to cheat him in. And then we reelected him for real.

So basically I'm saying I'm scared shitless. I want that bright, shiny new day so bad, I don't know what I'll do if McCain wins. Cry like a baby. Like a big, gay liberal baby.

You won't have to.

And hey, even if McCain wins it won't be as bad as Bush.

The difference for me this time is that I like the Democratic candidate.

McCain's speech tonight was pretty awful. Yglesias has a good take:

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McCain does have highs and lows. You can tell that he gets excited, personally, when talking in a generic way about how America is awesome. But when he waxes about reforming government institutions, it's obvious that McCain is bored and not at all the kind of person who's inclined to immerse himself in the details of these kind of issues.

If McCain's going to spend the entire campaign hammering Obama on foreign policy issues that favor Obama while only feigning interest in economic issues, then I like Obama's chances.

Watching those two tonight, it's tough to imagine how this is going to be close.

Long way to go, anything can happen, but it's like a one-on-one between Kobe and Jeff Hornacek, with Hornacek forced to play in wooden clogs.

82% of the country thinks we're on the wrong track. Who do you think they're going to pick?

...Maybe that's why no one seems to want to bet me.

I liked Ezra Klein, too, Alo:

"The content of McCain's speech is basically what you'd expect, but the delivery is really peculiar. His voice is artificially high, he's grinning more frequently then usual, his tone is jumping octaves to soften the end of his sentences. It's a cuddly, almost delicate delivery, as if he were reading a storybook to really young children."

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Originally posted by heckofajobBrownie:
it's like a one-on-one between Kobe and Jeff Hornacek, with Hornacek forced to play in wooden clogs.

That's awesome.

Thought Bobby Jindal looked good, though. It was sort of like in 2004 when Clinton would get up and give a rousing speech and bring the house down, and then he'd introduce John Kerry and everyone would think, "Oh, right. We have to vote for this loser."

McCain will win easily. He will in the upcoming months make Obama looke like the inexperienced Chicago Politician he really is. Just another phoney liberal. Stay tuned.

Finally. I have a taker. Thanks, DieHard.

No problem. It should be fun in the next few months. Anything could happen, and probably will.

It just seems unfathomable, really. 82% say we're moving in the wrong direction, record disapproval rating for the prez, and McCain is way too deep with Bush to really dig himself out...

Right? 95% with W on his voting record? Aligned militarily and economically? Photos of them cuddling?

Come on. I just don't understand how it could possibly happen.

Which, again... means it could happen. Wacky, wacky country.

it isn't over yet saddlebags hitlery still hasn't bowed out.

look for another stolen election.

on another note if Obama makes Hillary his VP he better have a food tester at every meal. anyone remember Vince Foster?

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Originally posted by shepwrite:
It just seems unfathomable, really. 82% say we're moving in the wrong direction, record disapproval rating for the prez, and McCain is way too deep with Bush to really dig himself out...

Right? 95% with W on his voting record? Aligned militarily and economically? Photos of them cuddling?

Come on. I just don't understand how it could possibly happen.

Which, again... means it could happen. Wacky, wacky country.

Shep we don't often agree... but McCain is more of the same old same old. Bush betrayed the conservative movement. Oh, once we gave the Republicans the keys to the car, they proved when they had the whole ball of wax, they were every bit as corrupt as them Dumbo-rats.

The cult of personality will win in November as it has almost without exception in the last 40 years. That means Obama, but. He picks Hillary for VP, he's in trouble. You of the liberal persuasion have no idea the depths that the conservative movement despises Hillary.

>>Looks to me like the hate is from the Obama camp.>>


Granted, I am one of those stupid people who really hopes the President is successful, regardless of Party of leanings. Truth be told, it would be difficult for me if the President is a dud. Successful policies - even if I don't agree with approach at the beginning - benefit me and everybody else.

Any way, it would be a big disappointment (IMHO)to have Obama reach out and offer the #2 slot to Clinton.

Not only would adding Clinton dampen his stated desire to implement change, having Hilary and Bill 'on board' is akin to having both Derek Anderson and Brady Quinn on the same roster........always looking over your shoulder and, to a certain extent, always in the shadows regardless of who 'starts'.

If I were Obama, I would blaze my own trail with fresh faces that carry little baggage or 'threat'. Adding Clinton to the ticket would be akin to saying that the Washington establishment is just fine so why change?

Like Carter, President Obama would face many hurdles if he tried to march into Washington with a bunch of 'outsiders' who believe that THEY know how the machine operates and how it will be changed.

To this point, however, maybe a bunch of outsiders is what really needs to take charge. Only point is that it will come with a lot of pain.

A Richardson, etc. makes a lot more sense from where I sit.

Let's put it this way: I think if McCain were the Democratic candidate and Obama were the Republican - meaning the Republican was the far more talented and inspirational politician, better speaker, etc. - I still think the Democrat would win.

I just think the Republicans are up against it this year. They're going to lose seats in the House and Senate for sure. The best shot they've got is at the White House, and I don't think it's a very good one.

Not for HIM, Steve. He's talking about the national mood as reflected by polls. He's saying even if Obama was spinning spells (and boy, can he) for the Republicans... they'd still lose.

The poll numbers are absolutely unprecedented. They're that bad. I think a lot of Dems will show up and a lot of Republicans will buy farms and stay home.

God, McCain is a dull speaker with a tired message where use of the word "change" almost elicits chuckles. Just watched a clip. Weird smile and sounds like he's 100. He can't get in the ring with Obama. He'll have to find an alternative to... speaking?

Again, there seems to be no possible way, so I'm scared shitless.

Hoorta, I don't think Obama OR Clinton are hoping to sway right wing voters, nor do they care. She's been beating McCain in most polls anyway. They key is getting record turnout for Democrats again, like they did for the primaries. They definitely lit a fire.