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Global Warming Skeptics Plot 'Carbon Belch Day'


Conservative grassroots group Grassfire.org wants people to waste as much energy as possible on June 12 to break free from "carbon footprint guilt."

By Paul McDougall
InformationWeek
May 27, 2008 03:12 PM


Conservative grassroots group Grassfire.org wants people to waste as much energy as possible on June 12 by "hosting a barbecue, going for a drive, watching television, leaving a few lights on, or even smoking a few cigars."
The point: the group wants to "help Americans break free from the 'carbon footprint guilt' being imposed by Climate Alarmists."

Grassfire.org says it's skeptical over claims that man-made sources of carbon dioxide emissions -- from automobile exhausts to manufacturing plants -- are raising the Earth's temperature at a dangerous rate. Theories about global warming were highlighted by former Vice President Al Gore's 2006 film, An Inconvenient Truth.

Grassfire.org president Steve Elliott, in a statement, said such theories are off the mark. "It's time for Americans to purge ourselves of the false guilt that Al Gore and the Climate Alarmists have placed on us," Elliott said.

Grassfire.org said it chose June 12 as the day it wants Americans to rev up their SUVs because it coincides with expected debate in Congress over a $1.2 billion carbon tax rebate program. "Carbon Belch Day will have at least as much impact on the so-called 'planetary emergency' of man-made global warming as the goofy save the earth mandates telling us to turn our lights off for an hour," said Elliott.

Cities around the world went dark for an hour on March 31 to mark "Earth Hour," an event created by the World Wide Fund for Nature to inspire people to find ways to use less energy.

Grassfire.org is the latest group to question whether global warming is a real phenomenon, or whether it's as severe as portrayed in Gore's film. London's Daily Telegraph this week called environmentalism "the new secular faith."

The paper said the United Kingdom's carbon credits program for industry is "just like the medieval trade in indulgences, where remission for sins was granted by the Church once the sinner confessed and received absolution."

Noted physicist Frederick Seitz, a former president of the National Academy of Sciences, has also questioned the accuracy of global warming theories, as have a number of other academics.

Despite such skepticism, many U.S. companies -- including IT vendors like Hewlett-Packard and Microsoft -- are developing new lines of energy-saving products billed as Earth friendly. IBM (NYSE: IBM), for instance, recently launched Project Big Green, a $1 billion investment to increase the energy efficiency of the company's offerings.

For buyers of such systems, whether or not global warming is real is beside the point. Skyrocketing fuel costs are forcing businesses to cut down on energy consumption in as many ways as possible. As a result, it's unlikely many will decide to "belch" away hard-earned dollars on June 12.
 
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Is this how we're supposed to spend our stimulus? rolleyes
 
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I'm going to fire up the BBQ, do 130 mph on I-480, and leave the lights on.
 
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I'm going to have an all-night campfire, cook over it for my friends, drive my JD tractor around doing hay rides singin "She thinks my tractor's sexy"
 
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I'm going to vomit.

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Those be your boyz Republican America....dumber than a box of rocks
 
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Lets expose Grassfire and its founder for what they are

Steve Elliott earned a M.A. in Public Policy from Regent University in Virginia Beach, Virginia in 1994.

ok basically he has NO education in any scientific field, only one in guess what PUBLIC BS

this gets better..
Regent University is a private coeducational interdenominational Christian university located in Virginia Beach, Virginia, USA. The school was founded by the American televangelist Pat Robertson in 1978

which is ranked: U.S. News & World Report ranks Regent University School of Law as a Tier 4 school, the lowest ranking within the National University category

because they are accredited by: Regent University is accredited by the Commission on Colleges of the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools.[5] and Association of Theological Schools. Meaning no This college has NO SCIENTIFIC /ENGINEERING COURSES.... Imagine that...

Yes I cant wait to listen to an individual who was not educated in any REAL COLLEGE IN ANY SCIEINTIFIC FIELD from wait LMAO from a college founded by PAT ROBERTSON funny

The best is part of their admissions requirements

[edit] Admission policies
While academic credentials are important, the admissions process also places emphasis on personal statements and recommendation letters. According to Regent, the school seeks students who are "dedicated to becoming Christian leaders who will change the world for Christ" and want "to receive a legal education integrated with Christian principles."[20]

They REALLY focus on the best and brightest ok
 
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Wait I did miss that a real scientist was also mentioned in that article.

Shortly before his retirement from Rockefeller University in 1979, Seitz began working as a paid permanent consultant for the R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Company, advising their research program [3].

In 1994, Seitz authored a report published by the George C. Marshall Institute,

where he stated this

"there is no good scientific evidence that passive inhalation is truly dangerous under normal circumstances

Since he founded the George C marshall institute lets even tear that down,

The George C. Marshall Institute (GMI) was established in 1984 in Washington, D.C. "to conduct technical assessments of scientific issues with an impact on public policy".
Historian Naomi Oreskes says the institute has, in order to resist and delay regulation, lobbied politically to create a false public perception of scientific uncertainty over the negative health effects of second-hand smoke, the carcinogenic nature of tobacco smoking, and on the evidence between CFCs and ozone depletion.[1]

We see just how much false science is now proven that the tobacco companies put out and this WAS their scientific spokesperson. This does get better..

Lets look at funding

In 1999, GMI received grants from the Exxon Education Foundation.[13] The institute's CEO William O'Keefe, formerly an executive at the American Petroleum Institute and chairman of the Global Climate Coalition, is a registered lobbyist for ExxonMobil. [14] The GMI was described in a 2007 report by the Union of Concerned Scientists as an ExxonMobil-funded "clearinghouse for global warming contrarians".[15] ExxonMobil still currently provides funds to the Institute [16

prior to that

earhart foundation
The Philanthropy Roundtable said of the Earhart Foundation in 2004, "For 75 years, the Earhart Foundation has epitomized achievement in the humanities and social sciences. ... Harry B. Earhart started the foundation in 1929 with the fortune he made with White Star Oil Company

The Scaife foundation
The Sarah Scaife Foundation is one of the American Scaife Foundations. It is controlled by Richard Mellon Scaife. The foundation does not award grants to individuals. It concentrates its efforts towards causes focused on public policy

Richard Mellon Scaife (born July 3, 1932) is an American billionaire and newspaper publisher.

Scaife owns and publishes the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. With $1.2 billion, Scaife, a principal heir to the Mellon banking, oil, and aluminum fortune

This physist WAS the president of the Acadamy of sciences IN THE 60's. He then sold his scientific soul to the tobacco companies because of his credentials they used that for years to lie to the public. He then founded a non profit that OIL funds...


CAl do you ever source your material? You put up Grassfire garbage as if it has any merit from an individual that did not even attend a real college with no scientific credibility. Than the article has a dead scientist that tobacco used in an obviously dishonest way and this guy further let OIL companies fund his non profit and control public press.

The more you post on this topic the more transparent your opinions are faulty and based on nothing but propaganda and no science.
 
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"Well golly gee willikers thar. If a TELEVANGELEST speaks on global warming, you're darn tootin' I'm fixin' on listenin'." Fcuking morons.

Thanks for the research, sev, and exposing these jokers yet again.

So....how is wasting energy a smart thing to do anyway, global warming or not?
 
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Lets look at funding



But isn't McClellan's financial bonanza completely irrelevant to his newfound revelation of truth???

That was your take no?
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Westside you are trying to compare a organization solely created by and for pushing a public pr agenda based upon the face of the organizations credentials. If you cant look at the truth of this particular scientist and his track history with the tobacco industry and then the oil industry well I have nothing more to say.

This scientist never actually published any scientific Data or studies all he did was give a public opinion thru the Npo's with his PHD in front of his name. That is completely different from publishing real Science so there was no truth to be had in the first place.

Look the global warming skeptics groups are pretty much seen in the educated and scietific fields really much like the flat earth supporters. The only ones left are the ones solely funded by oil much like Tobacco industry pseudoscience. Same playbook different players, they are just buying time.

It was a nice attempt at crossing two different topics by trying tie into the idea of finances. Faulty but none the less admirable, the linear arguments just did not pan out this time.
 
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Westside you are trying to compare a organization solely created by and for pushing a public pr agenda based upon the face of the organizations credentials.



With world organizations and home grown malcontents out to "get" the evil old USA (and overlook the real culprits) or a hack selling a book?

But in both cases , uh, yes.
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Steve I really dont think that a press secretary spilling basically a gossip tell all book based on his opinions is in the same realm as science and its misuse as a pr movement to delay legislation against industry.

If you do well we can respectfully disagree.
 
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Steve I really dont think that a press secretary spilling basically a gossip tell all book based on his opinions is in the same realm as science and its misuse as a pr movement to delay legislation against industry.

If you do well we can respectfully disagree.


But I think the Global Warming alarmists have a side of bread to butter as well as any who work for, say, big coal.
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there is something You and I completely agree on IE: ethanol...
 
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It was funny, guys. But you know, ethanol is a bad idea.

And I fish. Any fishin person wants a cleaner environment.
Just don't try to manipulate the masses with your exaggeration crap, Algore. Your stupid movie has a clip in it from another movie whose scene was made from STYROFOAM.

Shep thinks styrofoam is ice.

I won't grow corn unless I can sell it to a buyer who uses it for other reasons.

Generally, that's why We're growing hay and soybeans. and winter wheat. with wheat straw a secondary crop.

But, I will have an all night campfire. I love that.
 
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ONLY 7 MORE DAYS TIL "CARBON BELCH DAY" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Git yer firewood READY ! MAKE A DIFFERENCE !!!

ENJOY YOUR FREEDOM TIL OBUMBA TAKES IT AWAY !
 
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I'm gonna go to Taco Bell, eat the Big bean and beef encilada, and cut the cheese big time!
 
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That's nothin compared to Shep's posts, which I think contribute to global warming - the methane, you know?
 
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Nice source, Cal. Kudos.

Steve, way to... hell, I don't even know what that lame attempt at diversion was.

I am dead solid amazed at how any thinking person can continue to affiliate with the Republican Party. This thread alone probably shrunk your ranks by 10 percent.

Cal, go get us some more bullshit right quick, huh? Does it both you not at all that you fill your head with horse shit and call it lobster?
 
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