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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
While I'm wondering what the hell is going on with McCain in another thread, here's some great McCain.
Watch Hannity try and put this Wright stuff on a tee for McCain so he can start wailing away, then watch what McCain does: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQquSOnlxJ8 |
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Skipper of the Lake Erie Booze Patrol Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters  |
What is it you want Heck? The guy gets caught with his pants down and you need a response to the spin? Great. I think he handled it as best he could. He couldn't roll on the rev and I bet he was full aware of that kind of shit over the years. I doubt even his supporters fully believe him. But like I say I've only heard excerpts. I also doubt that he hates the white man. But: Cussing Whitey and the evil USA is a cash cow and guaranteed vote getter in some areas. BTW Hannity is a charismatic little guy but the worst interviewer in the business. WSS |
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AFC North Player of the Month |
The funny part about this is that you have not idea where or how I grew up. Or what racial background my past and present family has. What you are doing is using me to enable your own fears and racism. It is funny, honestly, would you like to try and sterotype me some more. |
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AFC North Player of the Month |
The speach was a joke. So which is it, did he or did he not know. Does he support the ideas or not. It is funny how a many of wealth, from a good family and given more advantages them 90% of the country os trying to come off as someone who has a clue with what is really going on with black or white America. The man did a two step, he defended today what he criticized other for a week ago. Sorry he is a politician pure and simple.
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Nav, there was nothing about it you liked?
You asked if he supported the ideas or not. Well, he made it very clear that he does not. This is a man who took his Harvard Law degree and instead of heading to a high-priced Boston or New York law firm, headed straight to one of the poorer parts of Chicago to do community organizing. You don't think that gives him any insight into the black community? You don't think being black gives him any insight into the black community? Nothing in the speech at all? It was all a big joke? I'm surprised to hear you say that. |
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Skipper of the Lake Erie Booze Patrol Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Heck, are you saying that a wall street lawyer is higher on the food chain than a US senator? Of course not. Now let us say a fellow has aspirations to the senate and beyond. Can you think of a better path? First go to a region where your race is a benefit. The community outreach and affiliation with the church are steppijng stones to the goal. I'd bet that even Obama is surprised by the leapfrog into a presidential race this early, but here it is. I realize you feel you must defend him from every problem but he's going to have to deal with the unsavory elements of his quick rise to power. WSS |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Steve, usually I'm in here defending him from falsehoods, like that he's a Muslim and he hates America.
As for community organizing, can you name me another US Senator who got his start as a community organizer in the inner city? I don't really think it's the pipeline you think it is. You know what is? High-priced lawyer. Doctor. Businessman/woman. Military. So yes, I can think of a better path. A bunch of them. After all, what is the big knock on Obama? That's he doesn't have enough government experience, particularly executive experience. |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Oh, and that he's a Muslim who hates America.
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Hall of Fame Legend |
I personally think he went to Chicago after law school because he saw it as the best step towards politics. He was a poli-sci major at Columbia, then worked as community organizer, then harvard law, then 1 year back in the community, then prof at Chicago and lawyer at a firm. According to Wikipedia, his one year of work in Chicago communities culminated in Chicago Magazine hailing him as "a new political star". It's the path of someone set on a career in government, IMO. That doesnt make it a bad thing to do at all, but a large chunk of top law school grads take a similar path every year, especially from Harvard and Yale. |
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Hall of Fame Legend |
His path led perfectly to his career in Illinois politics. I dont think anyone can count on becoming a Presidential candidate at his age. I doubt he even seriously considered in possible until "the speech". He expected to have 4-8 more years, at least, to build up a federal record, if he expected to run for Prez at all. |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
He was identified as a potential star candidate a while ago. I was hearing about this guy long before "the speech."
The point isn't that he wasn't beginning a career in politics. In fact, the initial complaint was that he doesn't know anything about the black community. (??) The point is that community organizing in the inner city isn't part of some "how to become president" pamphlet. It's a pretty unique route. You usually want business or military experience if you want to run for higher office. It also helps to do something that makes you really wealthy. |
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Skipper of the Lake Erie Booze Patrol Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
That's not my knock as you well know. WSS |
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Skipper of the Lake Erie Booze Patrol Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
No no no. He's a Christian who hates America.  WSS |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Jim Clyburn - teacher
Sheila Jackson Lee - judge Elijah Cummings - lawyer John Conyers - military, lawyer Alcee Hastings - judge (and not a very good one) Keith Ellison - lawyer William Clay - went straight into politics Corrine Brown - professor ...Oy. It'll be a wonderful day when people like you learn there are more blacks in this country than Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. |
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Skipper of the Lake Erie Booze Patrol Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
None of which have been seriously considered a national candidate. And none of which (I assume) got to their position without the support of the Black community. WSS |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Your point was that they were all community organizers: "Just about every "black" leader out there."
There are most of the longest serving blacks in Congress. Not one was a community organizer. |
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Skipper of the Lake Erie Booze Patrol Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
So you're telling me these people never worked within the community? And are you saying that Obama was not planning a political career when he started college? WSS |
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Skipper of the Lake Erie Booze Patrol Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
ps I just looked up Ms Lee.
Apparently she actually was an organizer after law school too. You can research the rest. All I'm saying is that it's a logical springboard to political life. WSS |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
None of them held jobs as community organizers, no. All of them had the jobs I listed. You can check for yourself.
And I have no idea whether Obama was planning a political career when he was a freshman. What does it matter? Are you trying to establish that the young man was ambitious? That'd be a revolutionary idea. I don't know why you're harping on this, or why I'm obliging you. (I've got work to do.) Not many people start out their political careers as inner city community organizers and end up in the Senate. I'm sure you could find lots of mayors and state reps that started out that way, but not Senators or Presidents. Like I said, can you name me another? I can't think of one. |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Oy. I'm not saying it wasn't a logical road to political life. I'm saying it's not the usual road to the Senate, or to the presidency.
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