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Skipper of the Lake Erie Booze Patrol Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters  |
Go back and read what you wrote. Among your more reasonable observations, you imply the Reagan Revolution was built on racism. You imply that talk radio (a favorite whipping boy of yours and in most cases republican leaning) is built on racism. And that's nonsense for ya. |
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Skipper of the Lake Erie Booze Patrol Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Shep if your buddy was actually on the fence between two fairly diverse sets of policies and this speech convinced him, then my belief that American voters are among the dumbest on earth is even stronger. WSS |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Um, Steve? That's Obama's speech. I didn't write that.
And that's not what he's saying anyway. Come on, man. Contribute something. |
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Hall of Fame Legend |
And then 6 paragraphs doing just that. You're good Barack, but we're not stupid.  |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
The whole quote:
"We do not need to recite here the history of racial injustice in this country. But we do need to remind ourselves that so many of the disparities that exist in the African-American community today can be directly traced to inequalities passed on from an earlier generation that suffered under the brutal legacy of slavery and Jim Crow." This from the guy who accuses me of cherry picking. Yes, let's have a frank discussion about race, but skip the whole slavery-Jim Crow-segregation part. |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Legacy, what did you think of the speech?
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Hall of Fame Legend |
Right.
..and then the 6 paragraphs of history.
It's his speech, he can do what he wants, but just dont pretend to be above lecturing your audience on the history of slavery & racial inequality - and then lecture your audience on the history of slavery & racial inequality. That was my point, Capt Out-of-Context. Need I copy & paste the whole speech again? You're like the tea-cup ride at Disney World. |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
That's your problem with the speech? Really? That was too much for you? He was trying to be so above it all, or something?
I don't get it. What did you think of the speech? |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
"We do not need to recite here the history of racial injustice in this country. But we do need to remind ourselves that so many of the disparities that exist in the African-American community today can be directly traced to inequalities passed on from an earlier generation that suffered under the brutal legacy of slavery and Jim Crow."
Do you believe that this is a true statement? |
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Hall of Fame Legend |
It was really good. It's his forte' & he pointed to the cheap seats & hit one there. It accomplished what it set out to: Spread the unity message & isolate himself (and Pastor Wright) from those particular phrases & you-tube clips. I still think he's got some fleece in his fingernails regarding the "I wasn't ever around when Wright made those kind of statements" excuse. Showed me a lot of his politics, but not much of his character. |
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Hall of Fame Legend |
Absolutely. It is unavoidable. But you can't say you're not going to "4th grade me" on slavery/ Jim C et al, then immediately proceed to "4th grade me" on it. That is what got under my skin. |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
You find him insincere?
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
I think there's something to this. Most white people don't want to hear it anymore, a lot of the time because they had nothing to do with it.
Whereas many blacks feel like Marge in the old Palmolive ads: "I'm soaking in it." They live in the remnants. |
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Hall of Fame Legend |
I'd actually be much higher on him if he would put his foot down on the whole issue.
To be quaint & simplify it - I'd like him to inject a little more "Cosby" into the speech. e.g. "Yes Wright made some wild statements. Yes black people are getting screwed. We are screwing ourselves also. Before we unify different races to accomplish goals & fix problems in the country, we need to unify our own race 1st. We've all 'effed up - time to fix it." FWIW - I think white leaders should be able to say the same thing without being labeled David Duke. Obviously, Obama's version would read better. |
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Hall of Fame Legend |
Solely on the "oblivous to Wright's track record" issue. Yes. Stand up, & say I believe a little of what he said to be true also. I'd have much more respect for the guy (just explained in the previous post). On the goodwill towards men, fix our problems, unify our country, etc., I find him to be absolutely sincere. I agree & like the guy when it comes to that. |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
My guess as to why he doesn't do that: that's not his experience. He wasn't raised in public housing, or on the streets. He got to go to good schools, not the messes that pass for school in some of our cities. He didn't grow up poor.
I don't think he think it's his place to lecture the people who did grow up in that situation. But I have to say, I'm glad to hear you agree with his statement because there are usually only two reasons given for inequality/the plight of many black Americans on this board: laziness and liberal social programs. |
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Hall of Fame Legend |
That's a good point. I'd imagine he wouldnt get as much support that way.
edit* I dont think that it's just the poor under-priveledged blacks that are screwing over their race. I'd wager there is a good deal of wealthy, over-priveledged ones doing the same if not worse.
Well he didn't say "..all disparities..." & and neither do I. I believe there have been 2 (well enough removed)generations since '64 & the clock is ticking (for me) not to join the "laziness & liberal social programs" camp.  My ancestors (Irish & Scottish) weren't given that long to "figure it out." But I'm not that big of a prick yet. |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Ha.
Then again, no one put your Scotch-Irish ancestors in chains, did they? |
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Hall of Fame Legend |
Not to get on the boats, no.
But some of them got acquainted when they got off of them. |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Hey, Tupa, one of my very Catholic (and conservative) friends keeps telling me how Christian that speech was -- speaking against Wright's words, but embracing the man and the better parts of his message; speaking against the black community in part, but reminding everyone that he is one of them, and that we all are, even if we're not black. He thinks it was an entirely Christian speech, without nothing that it was.
Did you get that? |
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