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According to Russert, Obama got about 36% of the white vote in North Carolina. That's better than I thought he'd get.
And the cable networks keep talking about how the Democratic party would have trouble bringing black voters back into the fold were the superdelegates to wrest the nomination away from Obama.
Both of these are good for Obama.
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quote: According to Russert, Obama got about 36% of the white vote in North Carolina. That's better than I thought he'd get.
That's absolutely fantastic, if it holds. Beanpot |
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The only number you've got to worry about is how many of those people, mostly white and rural and female, are lost to McCain in a general election. Most of them will switch to Obama when the primary is over, but how many will defect to McCain is unknowable at this point.
And McCain's got to worry about how many of the people, mainly Evangelicals, who stayed home before, but were energized to vote for Bush, will choose to stay home again now that it's not about a personal relationship with Jesus anymore. Or people who don't like McCain because of his immigration stance.
It's going to be who can best solidify their base while not upsetting the voters in the middle.
Tough balance for both of them.
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quote: And McCain's got to worry about how many of the people, mainly Evangelicals, who stayed home before, but were energized to vote for Bush, will choose to stay home again now that it's not about a personal relationship with Jesus anymore. Or people who don't like McCain because of his immigration stance.
I don't think they'll stay home, heck. Be it Obama or Hillary - they're going to have a rooting interest in this election. I *hope* they stay home and do whatever it is they do while at home, but I doubt it's going to happen. Beanpot |
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And this is the big number that is going to hurt McCain. Check this out:
"In North Carolina, 81 percent of voters queried in CNN exit polling said the economic recession has affected them -- with 46 percent saying they have been affected "a great deal." Fifty-two percent of the poll's 1,717 respondents said they think Obama is better suited to improve the economy, compared with 42 percent who said Clinton."
Okay, McCain's tax policy is to make the Bush tax plan permanent. More of the same.
He's really painted himself into a corner there. And there's the problem he has -- satisfying the anti-tax types on the right, a very vocal and powerful bunch, while trying to distance himself from Bush.
And right now, on the economy, he's exactly like George Bush. And that's a very tough place to be.
Which is one of the reasons I think he'll lose to Obama. It's just not really in the cards for a Republican this year. Things are just too shitty, and they're holding the bag.
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I don't know, Bean. 4 million more of them voted for Bush than Dole. That was Rove strategy - **** the middle, get the base out. Jesus, more Jesus, and gays.
You think those same four million are excited for John McCain? His only hope is that he can steal more from the middle than Bush did and make it up that way. I don't think it's going to come from the Evangelicals.
But I do agree that going up against Hillary would bring them out to the polls in a very real way. Obama, not so much.
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quote: You think those same four million are excited for John McCain?
I hope like mad you're right and that's a terrific point about Bush v Dole. I'm just cynical as f$%# and think many of these people are going to treat this election like a college football game. I think they're going to show up. Beanpot |
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I don't know. Roe v. Wade is one new conservative justice away from being overturned; that should be enough to get pro-lifers to the polls in November.
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quote: I don't know. Roe v. Wade is one new conservative justice away from being overturned
No way in hallelujah. I'm confident that that won't be overturned in our lifetime, no matter your age. Now you're right that it's possible that people will consider the ruling to be threatened/vulnerable, allowing for their opinions, but I can't imagine that being a central point in this election. At least not more than it is in every other election. Beanpot |
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FWIW, Tim Russert & Chuck Todd both just said that this race is over.
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Yeah, I think it is. Hillary is still winning Indiana by the narrowest of margins. She's falling further behind rather than closing... and the superdelegates wouldn't dare go against the real delegates. As some suggested, I think African Americans leaders would consider recommending a boycott.
It doesn't do them or anybody but the Republicans any good after the fact... but it's effective as a threat.
Really, it would be a horrible shame if McCain won. Bush's presidency has been a monumental and historic failure and McCain seems like something of an extension of it. Plus, with a narrow margin (really NO margin thanks to illness and the one Republicrat) in Congress and a GOP prez, we could settle in for zero progress.
And right now, we need some damn progress. Some hope. Maybe a revolution.
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Wow. She really got her ass kicked in North Carolina, huh? Big night for Obama. Made up all the popular vote margin he lost in Pennsylvania.
And the media turned on her tonight. They're starting to say it's over.
Something tells me she's not going to quit just yet.
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It would appear that it's over on the Democratic side now. Hillary isn't going to end up with more voters, states, or delegates. It seems like the best thing to do, if she's interested in the best interests of the party, would be to bow out gracef...
Sorry, almost made it through the whole sentence there. Bowing out gracefully is for losers like Huckabee. If Hillary stays in at this point, it's for one of two reasons:
1) She's trying to force Obama to put her on the ticket, or...
2) She's running some kind of stealth, Manchurian candidate style campaign to swing the election to McCain. Remember, she and her husband have already made it abundantly clear that they think that she and McCain are the only two candidates with the experience to run the country, so why not take down Obama if you can't win?
Who knew that Hillary would be taking her campaign strategy frm Rush Limbaugh and Karl Rove? Of course, if any politicos deserved each other, it's those three.
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quote: Originally posted by shepwrite:
Yeah, I think it is. Hillary is still winning Indiana by the narrowest of margins. She's falling further behind rather than closing... and the superdelegates wouldn't dare go against the real delegates. As some suggested, I think African Americans leaders would consider recommending a boycott.
It doesn't do them or anybody but the Republicans any good after the fact... but it's effective as a threat.
Really, it would be a horrible shame if McCain won. Bush's presidency has been a monumental and historic failure and McCain seems like something of an extension of it. Plus, with a narrow margin (really NO margin thanks to illness and the one Republicrat) in Congress and a GOP prez, we could settle in for zero progress.
And right now, we need some damn progress. Some hope. Maybe a revolution.
Yea shit, we dont want Al Sharpton the phony Tawana Brawley KKK dude protestin aginst the white broad. And Ole Jessie "mellie mouthed" Jaksun, shittte, he be up agin it. |
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quote: Originally posted by shepwrite:
Yeah, I think it is. Hillary is still winning Indiana by the narrowest of margins. She's falling further behind rather than closing... and the superdelegates wouldn't dare go against the real delegates. As some suggested, I think African Americans leaders would consider recommending a boycott.
It doesn't do them or anybody but the Republicans any good after the fact... but it's effective as a threat.
Really, it would be a horrible shame if McCain won. Bush's presidency has been a monumental and historic failure and McCain seems like something of an extension of it. Plus, with a narrow margin (really NO margin thanks to illness and the one Republicrat) in Congress and a GOP prez, we could settle in for zero progress.
And right now, we need some damn progress. Some hope. Maybe a revolution.
The revolution of the old fat assed dyed hair rogain liberal like you shep, you old fogey. |
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