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Buffett's a self-hating rich guy - he's for the estate tax - so it's okay Wink
 
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Buffett's a self-hating rich guy - he's for the estate tax - so it's okay Wink
I just hope he practices socially conscious investing. Heaven forbid he ever allowed his money to be put into an index fund that didnt exclude oil, tobacco, health care, or any other profitable industry. If that kind of scandal ever broke we would forget who Rev Wright was in a flash. Just kidding (I hope).

It kills me that he supports the estate tax. He personally doesnt think it would be best for his kids to be handed tens of billions, so he doesnt think business owners should be allowed to pass on $1 million. People treat it like it's a tax on people with a certain income (which is ok because "screw the rich", am I right?), but I think people overlook the fact that it treats someone who saved $1,000 a year for their entire career and held it in an index fund to give their kids the same as it does "50-cent" and whatever he has left after living the most lavish lifestyle imagineable.

That's a disparity that a consumption tax might address...
 
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I basically agree with you about the estate tax. If we could get rid of it without significantly reducing revenue, I'd be all for it.

And you're right that our tax policy should treat savings differently, especially with our negative savings rate. So how about a progressive consumption tax?

It's interesting how Robert H. Frank considers elite consumption to be a negative externality:
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When those at the top spend more on interview suits, others just below them must spend more as well, or else face lower odds of being hired. When upper-middle-class professionals buy 6,000-pound Range Rovers, others with lower incomes must buy heavier vehicles as well, or else face greater risks of dying. Residents in a community in which the custom is to host dinners for twelve need bigger dining rooms than if the custom were dinners for eight.

So when top earners build larger houses-a perfectly normal response to their sharply higher incomes-others just below them will have greater reason to spend more as well, and so on all the way down. Because of the growing income gap, the size of the average American house built today is roughly 2,200 square feet, up from 1,500 square feet in 1970.

The middle-income family that buys this house must carry a significantly larger mortgage than the buyer of the average house in 1970. And because public school quality is closely linked to local real estate taxes, which in turn are closely linked to average house prices within each school district, families must buy an average-priced house or else send their children to below-average schools. So even the middle-income family that doesn't want a bigger house may feel it really has no choice but to buy one.

Yet because this family has no more real income than in 1970, it must now carry more debt and work longer hours to do so. Little wonder, then, that despite the longest economic expansion on record, with the unemployment rate at a 29-year low, one American family in 68 filed for bankruptcy last year [1998], almost seven times the rate in 1980. Our national savings rate is now negative, which means that we are currently spending more each month than we earn.

One of the benefits of a flat consumption tax is low transaction costs. I don't know how Frank proposes collecting his progressive consumption tax, but it definitely won't be as simple as levying a national sales tax.

EDIT: Greg Mankiw recently welcomed Frank into his Pigou (pro-carbon tax) Club. You can read his comments here.
 
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McCain again tries to defend a dumb idea (link):
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[MCCAIN:] There are many steps that can be taken absolutely, including the gas tax holiday. Everybody -- everybody...

STEPHANOPOULOS: Not a single economist in the country said it'd work.

MCCAIN: Yes. And there's no economist in the country that knows very well the low-income American who drives the furthest, in the oldest automobile, that sometimes can't even afford to go to work.

STEPHANOPOULOS: But they all say that that's...

MCCAIN: And they haven't met...

STEPHANOPOULOS: ... not who's (ph) going to get the benefit. The oil companies, the gas companies are going to absorb...

MCCAIN: You know, they..

STEPHANOPOULOS: ... any reduction.

MCCAIN: ... they say that. But one, it didn't happen before, and two, we wouldn't let it happen. We wouldn't let it -- Americans wouldn't let them absorb that.

STEPHANOPOULOS: How would you prevent that?

MCCAIN: We would make them shamed into it. We, of course, know how to -- American public opinion. And we would penalize them, if necessary. But they wouldn't. They would pass it on.

So we should give the oil companies more money, then shame them into giving it back...brilliant!
 
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If half the tax doesn't go to support roads, dump half the tax.

The idea that keeping gas prices high, will force folks to change their way of life...

is the same leftist manipulative tool, that they would use to get rid of hunting and guns.

You want to force Americans into poverty because they are independent truckers? Or they drive a long way to work?
Or they drive a lot in sales work?

The self-righteousness and profound arrogance of the leftists is sickening.

"Yeah, we'll raise the price of gasoline so high, that farmers have to quit using their tractors, and have to go back to draft horses, and they will not be able to make as much food, and those fat Americans will eat less"

pitiful.
 
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Wow. George backed McOld into a corner he couldn't get out of.

Pure pandering. Same as the drilling.
 
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Obama: "If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will."

Make sure your selective service cards are up to date and you are in good physical shape (bench your body weight at least 3 times, run a 7:00 minute mile for 5 miles, and carry a 80 lbs. pack like it is your house...that means all day long) We are going to Pakistan!!! Who's coming with me...??? Vote Obama. We are winning the GWOT terror, let's keep it rolling. Obama, McCain...it doesn't matter. We are going to be fighting for a long, long time. Hope you are ready to roll. Welcome to the age of persistent conflict. I sorta miss the Cold War.
 
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Obama: "If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will."




Wasnt this the objective after 9-11?

Iraq had no buisness on the radar and has done nothing to stop the terror camps from rebuilding along the afghanistan/pakistan border.
This administration wanted Iraq as a war of choice from 10 seconds after the inauguration,and screwed it up every step of the way and no matter how we leave it,that country will dissolve into conflict as it has for thousands of years and its all bullshit.
Get all our troops out of Iraq and afghanistan and make afghanistan glow and smolder for a few centuries.

I would much rather see this country spend 3 billion a week fixing this country than pissing it away on some beach with no ocean....
 
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