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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
But Legacy, Steve's not asking why a greater percentage of blacks are on welfare than whites. He's saying that the welfare vote goes to the Democrats.
"Lowest literacy levels lowest school attendance Most welfare Highest crime rate = Democrat votes." "Illiterates trend Dem as do criminals, those close to illegal aliens and welfare recipients." Put aside the stupidity of some of this for a second. If you're going to make the case that the welfare vote trends Democratic, you have to take the entire population of people on need-based assistance and see how they vote, not just assume that all the people on welfare are black and so they vote Democratic. And when I point out that most people on welfare are rural whites, not blacks, and those people vote Republican, and provide the Census data on how many people are on government assistance, and how many white and blacks their are in the country -- i.e. inserting actual facts into the equation -- he simply clings to what he thinks to be true. If we want to have a discussion about why a greater percentage of blacks are on welfare compared to whites, fine. But that's not the discussion we're having here. But we agree on one thing: that's is what Steve was referring to. Sort of. His mistake is that he's heard somewhere that more blacks are on welfare than whites. What he doesn't realize is that this is a percentage, and that there are a whole lot more white people in America than black, and therefore far more whites on welfare than blacks. |
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Skipper of the Lake Erie Booze Patrol Ring of Honor  |
I never said that. Of course there are more whites on welfare. There is a much higher percentage of the blacks on welfare than whites. True or false? But Legacy, Steve's not asking why a greater percentage of blacks are on welfare than whites. He's saying that the welfare vote goes to the Democrats. "Lowest literacy levels lowest school attendance Most welfare Highest crime rate = Democrat votes." Which one is incorrect? WSS |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Shithead, I posted the percentages of whites and black on welfare!
Now you're acting like you've found something that proves I'm wrong? You mean the stats I just posted on the last page? Yeah, you got me. Checkmate. Me: "According to AAA, 13% of cars are red, and 7% are black." Steve: "There is a much higher percentage of red cars than black ones. True or false? You can't deny it! You know it's true!! Admit you're wrong!" Jesus. By the way, have you found that study on how people on welfare vote yet? |
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Skipper of the Lake Erie Booze Patrol Ring of Honor |
[quote]Shithead, I posted the percentages of whites and black on welfare!
Blah blah blah. You can't find anything I've said staing that there were more blacks on weelfare than whites. Your barking doesn't change that. You're a fool trying to bully your way out of a stupid attack. Now you're acting like you've found something that proves I'm wrong? You mean the stats I just posted on the last page? No you dimwit. That was a given. I say you're trying to pretend I said someething I didn't. And trying to confuse the matter by playing the Obama card. Thats all. Just cut and paste where I claimed there was a larger number of blacks on welfare than whites. Or do as you usually do and tap dance for the lefties. WSS |
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Skipper of the Lake Erie Booze Patrol Ring of Honor |
And one more time idiot (and you can go look) those are reasons big cities Cleveland in particular votes Dem. Tell me some others if you can. Or more idiotic yapping will work for your fellow travelers. WSS |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
How about illterates and criminals? Have you found the stats that back you up on that yet?
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Wait a minute, you're saying that the reason people in Cleveland vote Democratic is because they didn't go to school, can't read, live in crime areas and are on welfare?
Those are the reasons, as you say?? |
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Hall of Fame Legend |
Yeah, I was trying to offer Steve some unsolicited help by steering the ship that direction. |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
That seemed to be his point. Would educated poor people would have the common sense to vote Republican? Wait... an educated poor person is probably an academic of some kind, or a social worker. And Steve says those wieners vote Democrat. God, this gives me a headache. I wish I could be smart like Toop so I could comprehend it all. |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Toop sits these out for a reason. Because he's not a masochist like I am.
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Skipper of the Lake Erie Booze Patrol Ring of Honor |
Nope. I looked for demographic charts but can't find 'em. Maybe I should have said semi literates but what the hell. It doesn't matter as you're not going to let go of the straw man. So: If it is actually your opinion that the lowest on the economic and literacy ladder, welfare recipients as an entire group and those with criminal records most likely vote Republican then we'll leave it at that until one of us finds the chart that says otherwise. Now if you'll excuse me I have to wash my hood. We're burning a cross tonight. WSS |
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Skipper of the Lake Erie Booze Patrol Ring of Honor |
Well had I ever said otherwise, anywhere but in Heck's fevered imagination, that help would have comee in handy. As it is, how are you at plumbing? WSS |
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Hall of Fame Legend |
Ha! With PVC I can dope with the best of them (from building in-ground pools), copper gets a little trickier. |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Again, are you saying that the reason people in Cleveland vote Democratic is because they didn't go to school, can't read, live in crime areas and are on welfare?
"And one more time idiot (and you can go look) those are reasons big cities Cleveland in particular votes Dem." Really? |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Steve, once again your gotcha game is a bit tiresome. I've already posted that I don't think this type of data exists, and challenged you to come up with anything that backs your position. You couldn't even come up with a single figure. There isn't a single fact that you've posted. All numbers have come from me.
But in order to make your claim, you need to be able to base it on something other than what you made up in your head. So instead of coming up with anything, you're changing the subject to having me prove that people on welfare vote Republican. If you'd like to look at real stats, we could look at 2004. And in 2004, people who didn't graduate high school -- these people who can't read, as you say -- went 49% for Bush, and 50% for Kerry. Not much of a difference at all, is it? And right now, among that same group, McCain is polling a few points ahead of Obama. So you can "believe" that "th eless educated vote Democrat", and that "actually committ more crimes than the average US citizen" vote Democrat, and that "Again I believe on the whole welfare recipients more likely vote Democrat." But do you realize that you're basing this on ...no evidence whatsoever? In other words, it's merely your opinion, or your guess, but not a fact? Or maybe you could try this: take the numbers I posted a few pages back. You'll have the number of whites on welfare and the number of blacks on welfare. Then find out the same numbers for Hispanics, Native Americans, Asians, etc. Then you have to find out how many of those people are of voting age, and how many are children, and seperate them by ethnicity. Then you have to find out how many people out of each of those groups actually votes. Then you have to find out how they voted. And then maybe you can have an approximate guess as to how people on welfare vote. But it also won't tell you if welfare had anything to do with their vote. If you want to do that, you'd have to interview a statistically significant sample of the entire group and isolate their other issue concerns from their concerns about welfare policy. Or you can just make up your conclusions in your head. |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
But we all get your real point -- there are lots of people in the cities that are illiterate criminals and they're on welfare and they vote for Democrats. And along with pointy-headed liberal professors, those are your Obama voters.
Gotcha. Thanks for the analysis. |
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Skipper of the Lake Erie Booze Patrol Ring of Honor |
You're quite welcome. And not surprisingly, after days of hysteria it boils down to a snide remark that you'd most likely accept if it were worded differently and from a lefty. WSS |
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Hall of Fame Legend |
I'd be willing to tutor you for a fee. |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Steve, you do realize that if a public official made the same comments as you've made it'd be a huge deal and they'd be forced to resign almost immediately, don't you? (Probably not.)
If a public person, or celebrity, or athlete, made those comments it'd be a huge issue. It'd be John Rocker. I know you don't see that. That's why you make these comments and don't see anything wrong with them. But if someone like Roger Clemens went out and said that Obama's coalition is made up of lefty professors and illiterate inner city criminals on welfare he'd be in serious trouble. If Rep. Peter King, or Governor Ed Rendell, made those comments, it'd be an instant story, and a fairly large scandal. Their careers would be effectively over. Imagine Ed Rendell saying this on Hardball: "Oddly enough, as you know, those with the highest degrees, usually in academia tend left as do criminals and illiterate inner city poor. Illiterates trend Dem as do criminals, those close to illegal aliens and welfare recipients. So we've really got to focus in our message on those people, Chris." Boy, it's a good thing your music career never took off. |
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