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I like the algae as biofuel ideas. It looks promising. And with regards to shorter harvesting cycles, new growth forests are more efficient @ reducing the carbon based gas than old growth forests. Same with your lawn you cut every 2-5 days.
Can I request that my next house be framed with redwood instead of pine? Also, if these fuels get off the ground, rudolf diesel is going to get a serious look as "another Einstein" for the production of that engine. |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Let's not avoid the elephant in the room on this thread: Of course Bush and everybody around him knew the climate crisis was real. People at the top of this area of study (the elite, you might say) had been subsidized by the government to compile information into exhaustive studies... and they advised the government that global warming was real, dire, accelerating, and to some large extent, caused by humans.
But this administration notably capped that information to the point that high ranking officials quit rather than go along with washed out and over-edited reports. Bush hired an oil man to reconsider the matter at a much slower pace. And now that he's leaving office? NOW he openly supports the global consensus on the crisis. How convenient, oil dude! Now, is THAT a question of morality? Considering the consequences predicted and worsened by inactivity in the name of profit? |
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calfoxwc Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters  |
Actually, Bush is apparently coming out about goober warning to ease the polarization over the issue with Republicans, to help McCain in the next election.
He takes it out of being an election issue that Dems can grab onto. Meanwhile, Gore makes more pollution with his big jet than most of the country could compensate for in 5 years of being green as possible. Obumba's vague and manipulative speeches, and his wife's racially and marxist oriented rants, and Hillary's lies are collectively as bad as Gore's jet. |
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calfoxwc Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Hell only one guy here, Sev, even makes an attempt at being carbon neutral.
You and Cal and Shep and I and every other poster here lives pretty much as we feel like. STEVE ******************************************** Well now, I don't know about that. I think if I lived like I felt like, I'd be skinny-dipping every single hot night in my friends' swimming pool, with my wonderful cute Wife bringing me root beer and cookies. But they don't have a pool anymore. In the winter, we'd have a switch we could flip and the walls would turn dark amber translucent, absorbing heat and circulating it all around the house. During the hot summer days, Shep would ride by on his water-buffalo-pulled wagon and sell us ice blocks like in the good old days. At night, we could flip a switch and all the walls and ceiling would turn transparent and we could sleep under the stars. And on the Brownsboard, Flugels would never post long rambling posts, Rich would make sense, and I would drive my John Deere to a tailgate one day, and take everybody on the Brownsboard for a hayride and they'd all fit on the 16 x 7.5 kicker wagon, and I would do it with gusto. But I can't live like that because the Dem controlled Congress won't pass a farm bill and they are taking away our freedoms.  |
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If you're requesting root beer and cookies, you're far too young to be married.
C'mon. Snort some coke off her ass already! That's the way we roll her in Hollyweird! |
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calfoxwc Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
No. I'll keep my honor intact, my life loving and I'll keep playing hard and working hard and keep far away from lost humanity and darkish satanic possession.
It works very well for me. I heartily recommend it, in case you are searching for a happier you.... |
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Skipper of the Lake Erie Booze Patrol Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters  |
Gosh you're smart Heck. Remember that eating with the hands is the successor to the face directly in the trough. Move on up. WSS |
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The fact that you think the problem with the Bush presidency is really gas prices and partisanship says more about you than I ever could.
What a truly idiotic statement. And one that I must "face" no less. ...Can I turn away yet? It's so stupid it's burning my eyes. |
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Skipper of the Lake Erie Booze Patrol Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Those are tears of shame. WSS |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Haha. You're really becoming unhinged. First you suggested, hysterically, that Americans really do approve of the job Bush is doing, but they're just upset about gas prices. This is something we all must face. Even though it's not true.
And what is my "pie in the sky horseshit"? A carbon tax? Cap and trade? The market-friendly global warming policy that is backed by people on both the left and the right? The one the White House said it was open to yesterday? What are you talking about? |
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Skipper of the Lake Erie Booze Patrol Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Wipe your chin. WSS |
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Steve, dude, you are one of the last who just can't seem to choke it down: The Bush administration was a horrific mess and Americans are generally disgusted by the last eight years for a multitude of reasons. So many it's difficult to settle on just one.
He is seen by historians as one of the worst presidents in U.S. history. He's seen by the general populace as a total failure. We're "moving in the wrong direction" according to a record high 82 percent of Americans. Again... the poll numbers are the good news within the bad news. The blinders are off. Except for you. |
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Skipper of the Lake Erie Booze Patrol Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Yep. Mostly I don't care. I guess I'm not as chronically outraged as you lefties. Sigh..... But here's one prediction shre to come to pass. Next year at this time there will be either a new satan at the helm for you to cry about OR you'll spend your time making excuses for all the free shit the savior fails to deliver.  WSS |
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Steve, maybe if you read something other than the back of the cereal box I'd be convinced that calling carbon taxes, or a cap and trade system, a "pie in the sky" argument was persuasive. But it's not all that different from screaming about how nothing can change. And typing it out in caps. In fact, it's exactly like that.
One question: how did Bush's father address the acid rain issue in the changes to the Clean Air Act? Could it have been, I don't know, setting national emissions standards and setting up a market-based cap and trade system for SO2? I can only imagine you in the early 90s, moaning about how we couldn't address the acid rain issue because of population growth, and that the Clean Air Act was just a "pie in the sky" solution. But what if we did the same thing we did for SO2 in the 90s with CO2 and other greenhouse gases in 2008? Hmm. Sounds crazy, I know. Pie in the sky. |
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This isn't about being "chronically outraged". It's recognizing that we've got a major problem on our hands and setting about to solve it.
The only thing you seem to get off on is getting angry at "lefties". You don't have any interest in addressing anything. Is your answer to global warming really, "Let it happen"? Is that what you're saying? |
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Skipper of the Lake Erie Booze Patrol Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
OK Heck you win. I'll concede every point and give you the benefit of the doubt. We'll raise the price of energy by 35 %. Market forces will raise it another 50%. In 2025 all new US cars must get 35 mpg. Lets say there isn't an extension. Lets say older cars are not granfathered in and confiscated by the EnviroPolice. Lets see..... Assuning that the US automakers aren't just sandbagging on that 100 MPH carburator, lets say there are no exceptions to that mileage standard for work vehicles and public transportation. Everything is changed over in 2025. Lets say the population of the world stays the same. Lets also say that the only factor in CO2 damage comes from American humans. That means no change in CO2 output whatsoever until at least 2026. Well past your own predicted point of nop return of 10 to 20 years. I know I know, I gotta have "faith." WSS |
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Steve realistic pessimism followed by inaction = failure of effort, failure of progression.
This is not by any means a knock on you as a person but did you ever play any sport and or join the military? That attitude that you seem to reflect when approaching this topic would never fly in those fields. Just because a problem SEEMS insurmountable does not mean it can not be scaled. This is our oppurtunity as a species to show ourselves when we are faced with a tremendous problem just what sort of character will define us. I always tell my kids that problems that are difficult and daunting are oppurtunities to define themselves and or create themselves to be better than what they were. there are already a massive supply of vehicles that are marketable and ready for sales that meet 40+mpg. Europe has been doing it for years with no adverse effect. Actually that is why our car manufacturers have bought some of those companies and sell different cars there than here. There could be a booming business for retrofitting older existing cars with parts and systems to meet new standards within a reasonable amount of time. We can solve the carbon + formula that we have already added to the atmosphere but not until we level of the constant increasing additions. We already have produced airborne bacteria that "eats" carbon and converts it to a byproduct of oxygen. The problem is the constant increasing additions. There will be other zero emission fuels, we just have not put much of a priority on it. Hydrogen is some form will probably be the key. The answers are there it is now a matter of will and execution. Will you stand and be the negative contributor and do nothing about it? will convincing yourself of the impossiblity of the problem justify to yourself that your personal selfish behavior is ok? Honestly I dont like a majority of the measures I take, I do however love my children and future grandchildren enough to care about their world to prove my love by action not by words. Failed effort is not a sin failed inaction is. |
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Skipper of the Lake Erie Booze Patrol Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Nope. But overlooking the facts of the case is the problem here. I said that I'd give those guys every point. The 10 to 20 year tipping point was from them. All I ask is a reasonable explaination of how the stated "solutions" will stop CO2 increases. I'm not even asking for a reversal. So I say that pointing out those steps won't work is only realistic. Here's one. Lets say you and I think that exploding world population is a big problem. And the earth his running out of open ares in which to expand. With me so far? Are there realistic steps the president of the US can do to change that? I'm not saying it's impossible but pretty unrealistic don't you think? It will take a real crisis to force Americans to live like the Japanese. And they probably wouldn't live that way were the isand a lot bigger with oil reserves. You think? WSS |
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Skipper of the Lake Erie Booze Patrol Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Sev, you're the only guy I know that even makes an attempt. That includes the guys here who cry the loudest. WSS |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
This is not a problem individuals are going to solve, Steve. You keep pretending this is a matter of personal behavior. Governments have to solve this. Individuals can only contribute.
And no, Sev isn't the only person who has altered his behavior on this board. What, do we live together or something? You know this shit about me, or anyone else? |
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