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Skipper of the Lake Erie Booze Patrol Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters  |
Only because you have not answered any point other than to crack wise. Yes. I say anyone with some political information can be president and if there were an entirely false biography put out about me you would never know I was a low life bar singer. Obama is proof of it. WSS |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
You go right on thinking that...
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Obama's a low-life bar singer? |
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US Senator, State Senator, Constitutional law professor, B.A. from Columbia, magna cum laude from Harvard law, first black president of the Harvard Law Review, best-selling author ...all bullshit, all false biography.
Might as well elect Steve. It's funny - most of America is saying "Oh, shit - maybe this time we shouldn't elect a guy who doesn't know anything." Meanwhile, Steve's saying, "The guy you elect doesn't really need to know anything." Someone cut him off. |
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Obama will never get support in the congress from the Republicans if he were to get elected, which won't happen. Look at all the douche bag liberals acting all huffy because their inexperienced Chicago politician won the dem nomination. Whoppee. His cake walk is over. Time to get down and dirty with McCain and my Republican Brothers and sisters.
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Steve, again, who do you think you're arguing with? Who believes the president does "it all his own self." Nobody. You're arguing with a phantom.
That doesn't mean it doesn't matter who we elect president because some party machine runs it all and the president just signs things and makes speeches. If you think that's a valid point you've made, again, you go on believing that. It sure does explain how you can say that the only thing wrong with Bush's FEMA under Mike Brown was that liberals whine. As for Obama, I've never argued that he's the most qualified candidate in the race. In fact, I've continually pointed out that it's a legitimate concern about him. Again, you're misrepresenting me and arguing against a phantom. That's what you do. I'm simply responding to your ridiculous point here: "I say anyone with some political information can be president and if there were an entirely false biography put out about me you would never know I was a low life bar singer. Obama is proof of it." I listed some of Obama's biography. What parts of Obama's biography are you suggesting are false? And why shouldn't a guy with that biography be more qualified to be president than a low life bar singer? I can't believe I just wrote that. And I'm not going to spend another day arguing this with you. |
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Skipper of the Lake Erie Booze Patrol Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Then I'll make it easier than before Heck. I'll try to be fair. You have been extremely unhapopy with the last 7 years of the Bush administration. It is one of the worst in US history in your view; is that fair to say? You are energized by the hope that the Obam campaign could bring to the country. Is that also correct? You are much more in tune with what we know of the Obama teams proposals. Fair? Now I'll ask this. Let us say that the entire Obama support team is in place; VP, cabinet, all his advisors and appoiuntees. Every one. You may choose one team to lead the country for the next four years. George W Bush and his administration or the entire Obama team with only one change. That change is we replace Obama with Shep, who seems to share your views. You may pick any civilian you like with similar government experience as Shep if you like. Shep will have a press bio that says he has experience to the PR will not be an issue. Given those two options,would you select another four years of G W Bush? A simple yes or no. WSS |
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Sure, I'd pick Shep.
But you're saying there's no difference between Shep and Obama. I think Shep would be the first to admit there's a big difference. And I'd be the second, no offense to Shep. That's why what you're saying is dumb. |
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Can we stop now?
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Skipper of the Lake Erie Booze Patrol Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Sure. (you still misunderstood one point or I wasn't clear but that was the main part, ie a citizen could be president) WSS |
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Sure, a citizen could be. That wasn't your point. You said it would make no qualitative difference if it were John McCain or Ted Nugent or you because all those decisions are made for them by the "party machine." That's nonsense.
In that scenario the citizen would lack the policy/world knowledge to be able to weigh competing claims and arguments properly and would end up being a figurehead who defers to someone who knows more than they do. Much like... John McCain doesn't always have to do that, and would come into office with a slate of things that he wants to accomplish. It's a really dumb thing to put someone who doesn't know much in the most important job in the world, or to suggest that it doesn't matter if the person who is in the most important job in the world is an every day schmuck, or a bar act, or a sitting Senator. Or to suggest that it doesn't matter if the head of FEMA has little or no relevant experience or knowledge of emergency management policy. It's like me giving you a bassist who doesn't know how to play the bass and saying, "Don't worry - the rest of the band will carry him." Okay, now I'm really done. This is insane. |
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Skipper of the Lake Erie Booze Patrol Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
No it isn't. It's like you forming a band and hiring Stanley Clark or David Wintour or Paul McCartney to play bass instead of playing it yourself. Oh you'll convey the way you'd like the music to go but it's up to him to play it. And who knows Heck, since your dislike of Bush has now been replaced by McCain animosity you just might like a private citizen, like your boy Shep's, pick for defense sec. Someone who mirrors your own leave as soon as reasonable Iraq plan. You may like Shep's guys health care plan better than McCains. And on and on... (I ask about McCain since I don't assume you have any differences with Obama.) WSS |
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Skipper of the Lake Erie Booze Patrol Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Again no. The private citizen would discuss his views with party insiders and talk then to those he may wish to implement AND help form policy. Like for instance Wes Clark. Or David Petraeus if you wish. Or Senator McCain himself. Why not? WSS |
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Because a generic citizen who doesn't know anything would lack the policy/world knowledge to be able to weigh competing claims and arguments properly.
He's going to have a whole bunch of opinions and policies to choose from, and the decision is his/hers alone. Yes, Virginia, it might be a good idea to have someone who knows what they're doing. If you want to believe that the leader of the free world is a position that requires no real qualifications, feel free. |
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WSS, quit arguing with this bitch. He reminds me of my first wife. He never lets go. He has to be a fag.
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Skipper of the Lake Erie Booze Patrol Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
But to you idealism counts more no? Hence your support of Obama over your own concerns that he is the least qualified candidate of this entire election priocess. John McCain seems much more qualified. Even to you. But like we already agreed on he can go ask somebody. See you're just hard wired to be contrary if it's me you're taling too. As I see it there are more than enough qualified military people and senators to put together a solid plan. And there will always be chances for that or any plan to go astray. And more than enough on the other side of the aisle to attack those positions if they work and point fingers if they don't. WSS |
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I don't think Obama is the least qualified. Not at all. I think he's the best choice at this point in our history.
You're talking about experience. If that were the criteria we'd elect Robert Byrd. But it isn't, so we don't. And believe me, I'm not arguing this point with you because it's you, and that I really do agree with you and I just can't take it, or something. I'm arguing it because it's ridiculous, which makes me want to stop wasting my time. So I'm going to stop wasting my time. Have a nice evening. |
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WHOOOOOOOOOO! Steve totally kicked your ass! Steve really stuck it to the Left Wing smartie pants THAT time! WHOOOOO! Look at him runnin'! USA! USA! USA! Plus, Steve just seems like a guy I could have a beer with, you know? I'm voting for Steve. Or Robert Byrd. He could really kick ass on Heck, too. |
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It's not just about understanding what the advisers are saying; it's also about picking the right group of advisers.
For instance, take this account of why Bush picked Condoleeza Rice:
Maybe if Bush hadn't chosen his advisers based on whether they made him feel good, he wouldn't have assembled a team that led us into a foreign policy clusterf*ck. That's part of the reason why you want a president with a strong base of foreign & domestic policy knowledge, not just random impulses. |
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