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Skipper of the Lake Erie Booze Patrol Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters  |
It's the nature of the job. They're paid reps. Not evil and not heroic for any of them. And as hip as it is to "pile on" the idea that someone "competent" should have been hired to do (well exactly what?)any thing is ludicrous. Most of this posturing by the opposition is after the fact and pretty easy to say "Well I'd have done that better!!" Remember Minnesota didn't change at all under Jesse. WSS |
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It's piling on to suggest that people in high office (or those who work for them) should know what they're doing? I don't get the point. There are some folks in the administration who are competent. I think that Condoleeza Rice is a very sharp person, who's working in an almost untennable situation--Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Bolton made it extremely difficult to be an American diplomat. That said, I think she's doing a good job working with what she has. I thought Tony Snow was a good press secretary--you could tell that he was playing the game, but you knew that he knew what he was doing, even if you disagreed with him. There's a difference between oppositional posturing--which you're right to point out--and noting that someone is incompetent. I'll give you an example: Harriet Miers. When Bush nominated her for SCOTUS, the best defense that could be mounted for her was by Orrin Hatch, who said that he thought that she could do a good job, but she would need a "crash course" in Constitutional law. Considering the fact that the only thing that SCOTUS does is consider questions of Constitutional law, there was only one conclusion possible: that she was unqualified for the job. That's not saying, "Hey, I could do better!," it's saying, "Hey, the person that you have placed in a position of incredible importance cannot fulfill the basic functions of the job." Dennis See Gonzales, Alberto. |
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...Michael Brown, Joe Allbaugh, Monica Goodling, Jim Nicholson, Bernie Kerik, John Pennington. You could go on and on.
I guess we'll leave it to Steve to argue that there's no distinction to be made between competence and incompetence. After all, a former professional wrestler wasn't a very effective Governor. Imagine that. You can have James Lee Witt running FEMA or you can have Mike Brown. There's no difference in his world, and if you point out that the agency ran much, much better under the qualified guy and was a total disaster under the unqualified guy, you're just posturing, or whining, or whatever. One wonders how he hires, say, a plumber. "You mean you have no relevant experience whatsoever? Great! When can you start?" |
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Its funny to me that the "unbiased liberal" media seems so shocked by the allegations from an insider from the white house.
Is Mcclellan telling the truth as he sees it? probably and most of it is probably pretty accurate. He is being treated the same as he treated Richard Clarke almost word for word. Did Mcclellan profit and continue to profit from this? Yes and even more in the future from his speech circuit . Does that invalidate his information? NOT IN THE LEAST. Listen this group in the White house practiced Cronyism about the same as every other group, the difference was the level of competence within their pat robertson educated buddies froma tier 4 college. Bush was a C student and a failed Business man and Cheney is the Ultimate Washington private big business insider. This is what happens when you elect these type of individuals. The best for me of all things being led in political maneuvres by a college drop out con artist in Rove. Is this really any surprise? Its funny that the right wingers in here try to stand up for this admin and their party when they have been caught from state levels on up thru Congress and even committing treason in the white house for corruption,prostitution,bribery, theft, lying etc. I thought that was the "moral" party?  |
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Skipper of the Lake Erie Booze Patrol Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
And there would have been a hurricane in either case and the governor still wouldn't have called out the guard. And you lefties would have blasted Witt as the racist who blew up the levees to kill blacks. Imagine that. "You mean you have no relevant experience whatsoever? Great! When can you start?" And this is from an Obama flak?? Hilarious. WSS |
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Yep, see? No difference between FEMA under Clinton and FEMA under Bush. No difference between government experience and professional wrestlers. No distinctions to be made at all, ever. Just whining.
So what I said about you was correct, I guess. |
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And Obama's lack of experience is a legitimate concern. But his other qualifications are US Senator, state Senator, community activist, constitutional law professor, and Democratic nominee for president of the United States.
That's a little different from someone like Michael Brown, whose other qualification was as Judges and Stewards Commissioner for the International Arabian Horse Association - until he was forced to resign, of course. Also that he was friends with the head of FEMA. Then, apart from qualifications, we can get into the issue of talent if you want. But that would mean you'd have to be able to tell two unlike things apart, so I guess we can skip that. |
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Westside you are not seriously attempting to defend Mike brown and his cronyism appointment by Bush as the same quality of what an appointment should have been and how effective a better qualified candidate could have led fema in the Katrina incident?
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Skipper of the Lake Erie Booze Patrol Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Sure Sev. Woulda been fine if only the crony in charge had a D after his name. WSS |
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Skipper of the Lake Erie Booze Patrol Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Old dumb Jesse was as good as Howard Dean. And the difference in FEMA under Bill's pals? No real disaster to blame on the racism of the administration. Had Andrew moved a few miles though....? Nah, the press wouldn't have bothered. WSS |
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So you can't make a distinction between FEMA under James Lee Witt and FEMA under Mike Brown?
Wow. How about this? How about we let Carrot Top run the Browns instead of Phil Savage. Do you think one would run the team better than the other? How about we start a basketball team. Would you like Kevin Garnett at center or Gary Coleman? John McCain as president or Ted Nugent? |
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Skipper of the Lake Erie Booze Patrol Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Either. "WHAT???" Yep. The POTUS is gong to pick people to do what needs done mostly at the behest of the party regulars. Oh they'll all wear t shirts with CHANGE on em but... I expect Obama to fill positions based on the marching orders of the same old bums running his party now. It would take one man four years to read and comprehend one large bill. If he could even do it. So do I think a democrat congress will pass a McCain bill OR a Nugent bill? About the same chance. WSS |
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You really don't know anything, do you?
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Skipper of the Lake Erie Booze Patrol Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Sure I do Heck! I know you are as blind a partisan and kool aid drinking fool as anyone you berate. I know you piss and moan only in retrospect. I suppose some Dem true believers think their party has actual solutions to actual problems but you? You have nothing to run on but Bush hatred. Your statement proves you really have nothing to offer but that. You're a somewhat more articulate Rich4Eagle. Sans the occasional good humor.  WSS |
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Haha. It's okay, Steve. If you're in a place where you can't see how John McCain would make a better or more effective president than Ted Nugent, there's really not much to discuss anymore.
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Wow steve, to use the "blind partisan" statement effectively you might want to look at some of your own posts. I dont really know if you in fact are partisan to the republicans but if not them it certainly seems that way.
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Skipper of the Lake Erie Booze Patrol Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Pick one out Sev. I respect you so have at it. Show me the long list of blind defense of the Bush administration. Go ahead. Or my taking a bullett for McCain like Heck does for Obammy. I think most accusations are bullshit talking points. From both sides. Just payback for Clinton right now. WSS |
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Stop it Steve that last post made to much sense. I have to agree with you to a fair degree Bush is taking retaliatory swipes and a lot of them not based in reality.
However Like Clinton they made some blunders that deserve to be heavily critiqued. |
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I really think this is what it comes down to for you and your politics. Somehow you've built up a resentment for whatever's "hip," and equated that with liberals. |
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Skipper of the Lake Erie Booze Patrol Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
I don't even think heavily is a correct response Sev. I don't think of any politician as a nefarious bastard. By and large these guys are probably doing what they think is right. And nothing is going to make all that much difference BUT we push the argument to the wall. I got to where I felt sorry for Bill. Same with Bush. Same with Hillary. Same with Gingrich and Nixon. Carter? Well.......  But I hate arguing "talking points." Just a waste of time, says I. WSS |
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