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calfoxwc Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Gateway Pundit
Where Hope Finally Made a Comeback. Thursday, May 08, 2008 This Will Be The #1 Issue in the 2008 Elections-- And, It Goes to Republicans Over the past 30 years: Which party blocked the development of new sources of petroleum?-- Democrat Which party blocked drilling in ANWR?-- Democrat Which party blocked drilling off the coast of Florida?-- Democrat Which party blocked drilling off of the east coast?-- Democrat Which party blocked drilling off of the west coast?-- Democrat Which party blocked drilling off the Alaskan coast?-- Democrat Which party blocked building oil refineries?-- Democrat Which party blocked clean nuclear energy production?-- Democrat Which party blocked clean coal production?-- Democrat Republican Senator Craig gave this speech (and put together these charts/maps) in May 2006. Nothing has changed since then: We are experiencing higher gasoline, oil, and natural gas prices today because of decades of restricted development of new sources of petroleum. From ANWR to off-shore development such as Lease Area 181 in the Gulf of Mexico, we have identified oil and natural gas reserves that can be developed and used responsibly. Yet time and time again efforts to increase supply, and reduce prices, are blocked. For instance, ten years ago President Clinton vetoed development in ANWR. Democrats for the past 30 years have blocked every effort to responsibly develop the energy resources our country possesses. As Americans pay more for gas than ever under this Congress-- Democrats continue to vote against drilling and oil exploration. Instead, Democrats believe taxing oil companies will somehow bring down gas prices. Even, Jay Leno is mocking them. Democrats like to attack evil American oil companies and block them from drilling off our coasts. But, it doesn't seem to bother them when China starts drilling for oil in these same areas 50 miles from Key West. Yesterday, with gas prices at an alltime high, Speaker Nancy Pelosi mocked Republicans for wanting to develop our reserves here at home. Victor Davis Hanson wrote: Nancy Pelosi chanted "Veto and Drill", "Veto and Drill" in caricaturing the threatened presidential veto of windfall oil company taxes and desire to drill in ANWR and elsewhere. But all that might sound, in fact, good to most Americans. With the world's largest reserves of coal, after creating the nuclear power industry ex nihilo, and with billions of oil still under our soil and waters, it makes no sense to produce less energy while blaming and taxing those who produce what we have, rather than drilling, digging, and saving, as we find ways to transition to the alternate energies. The problem is not just oil, but importing oil at $120 a barrel that is bankrupting us as much as it is enriching the wrong people. This would seem to be an explosive campaign issue (if the candidates disagreed), especially if someone could offer a rough estimate of how many billion barrels of oil are in no-go areas, times them by $120 a barrel, and then compute how many trillions in national wealth we leave untouched while we pay our enemies for the commensurate alternative. I could accept the argument that it will take years to get the oil out of Alaska, the coasts, or other federal lands and therefore is not worth it (the classic argument for stasis), if we could be convinced it will not take even a greater amount of time to get solar and wind technology cheap and efficient enough to produce the bulk of our energy needs. Well here's a start for Victor-- If we are importing 5,000,000,000 barrels of oil each year due to Democratic politics (from the above chart produced back in 2006)-- We are paying the oil producing regimes $600,000,000,000 this year for oil. But for some reason Democrats think taxing oil companies will fix this problem? That is a death wish for America. |
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we need to drill more wells and produce more sweeet crude. this will drive the price to a more competitive market.
it may also help strengthen our economy, we dont produce anything here in the good ole USA, this might help us with exports, especially with the higher demand for gas in China. we might even cut into the trade defficit and give some Americans jobs. if we continue the way we have been going over the past 30 years our children and there children our grandchildren wont have anything or should i say wont be allowed to have anything. do to the amount of debt that we have put on every citizen. predictions are that gas will not be coming down anytime soon, and if that they remain this high that all consumer goods will double in cost within this next year. stimulus package is nothing more than a drop in the bucket. but that drop could be the straw that breaks the dollars back. ________________ |
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calfoxwc Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
If you ever saw a map of Lake Erie with natual gas wells noted,
you'd see MANY of them - only on the Canadian side. No problem, ever. Oh, but on our side? Not one. At all. That was so many years ago now, but I figure the freakin wackos are still at it. Meanwhile, Cuba has hired China to drill an oil well not far off our coast. And our economy, across the broad range of goods and services, is going to take an even bigger hit on prices. Not good. Not good at all. Meanwhile, I'm printing out a user manual for our almost new Great Plains seed drill so we can plan anything anytime without paying significant $$$ to the local overworked big time farmer to eventually get a chance to plant for us. He told me he feels badly, but he'll really have to raise his prices for doing things for other smaller farmers because of the high price of gas - he has -big- equipment. I may have to pick soybeans by hand.  Oh, yeah. Farming is very cool. Our John Deere 50 hp diesel is the best. I've plowed and disced.. we're good to go. If it would stop the freakin raining. |
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You mean the side of Lake Erie that has health care for ALL of it's people? The side that doesn't spend trillions of dollars policing the world with lost objective sheets and progress reports? The side that CONSIDERS extended overspending to be irresponsible from its leaders? You mean they are looking to their OWN land for fuel sources? It wasn't too long AGO you were telling us all just how BAD Canada was. - Tom F. |
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Yep, the side where taxes are so high it is still cheaper for them to drive down to PA to buy luxury goods such as clothes. Where, exactly what are they know for in the medical field, advances in..... right. And lets not forget a pissed off Girl Scout troop could take over the country. The have peace because we live next door. |
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calfoxwc Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Canada's health care? Candadians have said it's fine unless you don't want to wait for months for treatment, especially if you want to live.
Wake up, Flugel Van Winkle Canada isn't all bad because of health care. I never criticized them for drilling natural gas. or oil I wish WE were allowed to do it, too, but we can't because of the special interest "environment" wackoes. Can't you talk about any topic without whining about your little pet peeve - socialist medicine? Cal: "Well, I think we will plant soybeans on the 8 acres we are renting from our neighbors. Corn is way too expensive to plant and fertilize (really stupid ethanol...)" Flugels: "BOO HOO WHAT ABOUT HEALTHCARE, CAL ! THOSE GROUNDHOGS AIN'T GOT NO FREE SOCIALIST HEALTH CARE !)((*^()*&)&^(*&^ " Boring. |
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HEY CAL MENTION ALL THE POSITIVES OF THE BUSH ADMIM FROM 1 TO 10
no subjective bullsshit |
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Outta Work Pimp Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters  |
Cal come on, man.
To blame 1 party over the other is really what is wrong with this 2 party system. As long as we can argue about who is to blame, then why worry about fixing it. The GOP does not give credit to Clinton for anything, but when it comes to blame, shit bro they find all kinds of BS that does not make sense. Same for the Dems. |
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Skipper of the Lake Erie Booze Patrol Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters  |
If you mean the side that dies when they get sick or comes to America yes. WSS |
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calfoxwc Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
DD, you come on. I am not talking across the board, all issues.
But the inability to develop our own resources in oil, to prevent a possible catastrophe occuring to our economy one day when no one can afford gas/fuel, is not the liberal wacko auto knee jerk "environmentalists" of the Republican party. There isn't any. They are the lords of influence of the Dem Party. We're just talking about oil here. And the Dems blocking? Means the Dems did it is pretty valid. |
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No, I mean the side the World Health Organization ranked as a BETTER health care system of delivery most likely because MORE people are getting health care needs met. That said, I'm willing to say that the Americans that aren't being snubbed out of Health care get good coverage. Trouble there is I'm reading varied sources saying we have anywhere from 49 MILLION upward to 70 MILLION that get little to ZERO health care needs met because CAPITALISTIC medicine says that "all men are NOT created equal." Do we REALLY need to argue that? The SAD thing is a LARGE percentage of these snubbed consumers DO contribute to the working population. It's OKAY to admit we're BETTER than this Steve and Cal unless you don't think we are of course. - Tom F. |
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Outta Work Pimp Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Then blame the GOP for backing the Iraq War and the fact that our military is stretched way too thin and our influence is reduced to pre-1980. It is not the Dems fault oil is where it is at, Cal. |
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Outta Work Pimp Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
When quantity equals quality I will agree. For now, we need to cover the people who are not covered, and I think everyone realizes that. But I do not think the models of the world are what we should be looking at. They still come here for the most part when the shit hits the quality fan. |
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Whatever the criteria the World Health Org used - I'm sure that weighed heavily DD. It's not like your BEST doctors in America are found in hospitals and health care clinics tucked away in secluded rural areas or even in indigent city pockets where the average pt carries a Medicaid card. That means not all the people that have affordable health care are getting the best doctors or care anyway. Understanding how capitalistic medicine is do you think the doctors running their business in affluent communities are making less revenue than the doctors in the hood? I guess there's NO proof the doctors in affleunt communities are BETTER doctors - maybe just better at the business side of things. Then again, if one sucks - the word spreads. Shifting gears a little, I've got a cousin that's a Nurse in Montreal and she says her hospital there provides WAY BETTER healthcare services than the one she used to work for in Buffalo, NY. She said it makes a difference to show up to work every single day knowing they aren't short staffed or expected to stay another 8 hours beyond what is scheduled. Productivity, performance and morale can ONLY be better. In fact, if we did our homework - we'd find there's an enormous shortage of nurses today in America which now relies on lesser educated Nurse Techs and Nurse's Assistants that don't NEED the college degrees or even the requirement to pass the Board Exams for the Nursing Certification. Kind of scary where that's gone. Then again, when the goal is to get em in and get out as quickly as possible - we replace the IDEA of nurses with quick fix pills. Want to bet PART of our problem is they see America as WAY overmedicated to divert the attention off of the shortage of medical manpower in lieu of this pill makes pt go to sleep, this pill makes pt forget pain so all the Nurse take has to do is take vitals (BP, heart rate and give pt the required dosages the doctor prescribed). When you REALLY think about it - the ONLY nurses you see left are Nurse Practitioners that can actually PRESCRIBE meds like a doctor. Now that medicine is in Corporate America mindset - nurses have really been outsourced by the Certified Nursing Assistants and Nurse Techs. My sister that USED TO be a Nurse left Nursing to triple her salary selling pharmaceuticals at an ergonomically friendly workload. In the end, America's Health Care delivery system ranked 36th while Canada ranked 30th. We can HOMER it all day long but in the end - we're underachieving BIGTIME when so many countries of lesser wealth and education rank ahead of us. There's nothing wrong with wanting America to rank closer to #1 than #40 for such an important topic like healthcare. - Tom F. |
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Outta Work Pimp Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Um, did you compare Montreal to Buffalo NY? Montreal is huge but Buffalo is well, Buffalo. There is a significantly huge gap in population between the US and Canada. You know this, right? There are 34 M people in Canada, and 305 M in the US. That might have some influence on what you're talking about. No? |
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I hear ya DD. Now take that entire population of 34 million people and ADD another 15-36 million people (essentially that's Canada's population multiplied by 1.5-2) to grasp the VISUAL of just how many we're people snubbing from healthcare in this country. Impressed? I'm not either! I think you can see WHY I'm telling Cal and Steve I think we can do better and we HAVE to do better. When you think about the SIZES of the 2 countries in population - don't you wonder why the MUCH larger population LACKS the qualified service manpower we used to think of as nurses? Something isn't going right here and you know it hasn't ALWAYS been this way. They got us ranked closer to #40 than #1. If we showed up to the Olympics thinking 40th place is as good as it gets for AMERICA wouldn't you ask WTF happened? I'd say healthcare is important enough to be asking this same question for. - Tom F. |
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Outta Work Pimp Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
I think you right Tom. Any rational person should - and would I hope. That we have so many uncovered and uninsured and inderinsured in this country is a complete disgrace. If you don't think that than maybe you're the type of person that should read more about the crisis.
My feeling is the USG should get the drug companies, lawyers, doctors, medical ins companies, equipment companies, and whoever else needs to be in the room with some kind of mixed Sen/House select committee and hammer out a solution. If not, then we start regulating profits - which is communistic and socialism and I am against that. But just about everything associated with HC is bankrupt or near bankrupt by the next decade. I don't have the answers Tom, but I am hoping we can force the private sector to come up with an answer without intervention by the govt. And I will NEVER, EVER understand how OUR country can spend TRILLIONS of fooking dollars and put ourselves into debt over a war and yet we cannot seem to find the strength to overhall HC/Education. Baffles me. |
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calfoxwc Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
*********************************************************** The Iraq war, DD, has no freakin nothin to do with the Iraq war. The fact that we have been prevented from drilling for our own oil has NO FREAKIN NOTHIN to do with the Iraq war. The MAJOR FREAKIN REASON we have high oil prices, is because we are victims of our own inability to develop our own oil resources and IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE IRAQ WAR. I thought the Iraq war was "all about oil" per Shep, Flugels and Michael Moo-er. |
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Outta Work Pimp Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Because I say way more stupid shit when I am drinking, I am gonna let the BOLD statement go. Dude, OIL drilling in the US has not been a priority for the GOP that you say it is. They never gave it the legs it needed, so spare me please the notion that the GOP 'told us so.' If they felt so fooking strong about it, they should have campaigned on it! They mentioned it here and there, and since your conservative websites are rallying 'you troops' there is all of a sudden a party to blame. What is it with conservatives and liberals that need someone to blame? We're fooking Americans Cal. We don't need to blame each other for this made up, fairy tale BS. Besides, if you really knew WTF you were talking about you would not argue about drilling, you would argue about a much more expensive yet much more valuable commodity - refinement!! When you understand refinement, and the boat that has been missed, maybe you'll stop with the 'we need to drill' sorry ass argument and wonder why we never built 15 refineries. Face it dude, you belong on a farm with your lovely wife and the tractor you love so much. Refineries, Cal, not rigs. My lord your behind the times. |
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calfoxwc Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Oh, come ON !
A. I stupidly failed to say "The OIL PROBLEM, DD, has no freakin nothin to do with the Iraq war." Hey, I'm a farmer now. We have 190 tomato plants planted. I'm really tired. Because after farming most of the weekend, I'm exhausted. Sorry, but go back and read all my posts in this thread. Never said NOTHIN about oil drilling in the US being a Republican priority. Not once. Sorry, but I never said the Reps "felt so strongly" about it. Nothin. Zilch. Nada. Never happened. Maybe you -are- drinking? No fairy tale bs. The conservationalist zealots are like the NEA and OEA... they are locked into being liberal Dems. Plain and simple. Right. Refining will help with oil prices when we don't drill for our own oil, and still buy a lot of it overseas. How the freakin does THAT work, oh, WTFYouDrinkin? I've mentioned refineries in the past, we haven't built a new refinery since about 1975. But I concentrate on the supply first. So far, we still don't have our own supply that is sufficient by any strecth. Go look it up, you hateful wench. Thank you. I also belong being a corporate computer programmer/analyst. Rigs AND refineries. The threat of not being able to get enough oil at a livable price could turn into a political blackmail deal, without our OWN supplies. Refining expensive foreign oil fixes that, eh? Oh, do explain. But make it short, I have to go get more crops in the ground, Mr. Potato Head. BTW, when I'm really tired, I know better than to use "Lord" without capitalizing it, and "your" instead of the intended "you're" as in "you are". But, being a gentleman farmer, I'll let it go.@@ |
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