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Democrat Congresswoman Waters of California suggested yesterday that we nationalize the American Oil Industry. Problem solved.
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what??
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I'm glad she's a Clinton supporter.
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NFL Starter |
That is about as dumb as...
nationalizing healthcare. |
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Skipper of the Lake Erie Booze Patrol Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters  |
Don't worry Alo, she'll be on the Obama bus when he takes the nomination. She's still one of your own. WSS |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
I know - we're SO MUCH better off telling well over 60 million Americans they don't DESERVE healthcare in the capitalistic ways of our Healthcare System as is. Here's one of the highly profitable Healthcare businesses that get rewarded with unbelieveable tax relief under the disguise of charity its : "Roman Catholic Ascension Health" has made a Fortune 500 name for itself. Publication Date: 14-MAY-07 Publication Title: Modern Healthcare Format: Online Author: Evans, Melanie There's been alot of debate and discussion about this group not providing the charity services they get the enormous tax relief savings from. Sounds like the MISSION from God gets misplaced sometimes when there's money to be made. I think the Catholic Charities groups that helped relocating Hurricane Katrina victims with new housing, new jobs and new opportunities in brand new states is MORE about the mission than the profit obviously. Other Catholic Charities groups assist people that have had Traumatic Brain Injuries or families/individuals living with HIV/AIDS. Their employees aren't there getting rich and their scope of work faces the threat of elimination when we remove domestic dollars/grants for people residing in other continents and war. - Tom F. |
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AFC North Player of the Month |
Hey the Catholic Church does good work when its Priests are not molesting little kids or covering it up. But you are right making a buck is just down right evil. I am sure you live modestly and give everything away to those need folks. Heck look how good the other communist countries have had it, Yep tax tax tax the rest of the industy out of the states and then you can cry and blame that on someone else to. |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Bush too office no wars oil 1.25 budget surpluses
Bush leaves office oil 4.00 massive death and war.........4 trillion dollars of budget deficit What is wrong with this equation??????????????? |
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Outta Work Pimp Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters  |
Education Veterans Administration Medicare/Medicaid Child Family Services Welfare IRS TSA Homeland Security Prison System Etc... Yeah Tom, because everytime the United States Government gets involved problems are solved. Gimme a break. Yes there is a problem, a HUGE problem with Healthcare. Want to know a worse problem? Anybody who thinks the United States Govt is the answer. What works in other countries does not work here. We've proven that. Just say no to the USG. |
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Skipper of the Lake Erie Booze Patrol Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Bullshit Tommy. The vast majority of them just prefer to spend the money on other stuff. Basic policies for most healthy people are pretty reasonable. Hey but whjy bother, right? I pay my own. Bad heart and retinal problems cost a lot of money but I'd be blind or dead under socialized medicine. It'd be a lot more fun to blow a grand a month on other stuff, but I don't. WSS |
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calfoxwc Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Nobody is telling Americans they don't deserve healthcare, Flugelbithisownrearendbyflappinhisjawssomuch.
No system is perfect, but you want to trash capitalism completely and rejoice in the nationalized health care of Canada and Britain? PS: Flugs, you are starting more and more to sound like Rich and his incoherent rants. Woudn't you like to TRY to make a legit point on this issue just ONCE ? "it might not be 60 million, but it could possibly be someday, so it's fact now" I wish I could have faced you in an argumentation class in college years ago. I would have LOL. |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Okay, You got too mad to understand the message of what the Catholic BUSINESS heading up Ascension Healthcare is doing. Ascension Healthcare was given ENORMOUS tax relief $$$$ to be NON-profit and provide charity services, neither of which they are doing at this time = deceitful agenda (but GREAT business thinking). If you didn't get yourself so fired up at the first period you saw - you would have seen me make it a point to acknowledge the following: "I think the Catholic Charities groups that helped relocating Hurricane Katrina victims with new housing, new jobs and new opportunities in brand new states is MORE about the mission than the profit obviously. Other Catholic Charities groups assist people that have had Traumatic Brain Injuries or families/individuals living with HIV/AIDS." Let's try to stay on the subject because I'm not attacking YOU Navdawg so don't worry what I give back to the community. If you can't HANDLE this - that's fine too. - Tom F. |
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Outta Work Pimp Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
The 3 best hospitals in Vegas are run by Catholic Healthcare West (CHW). They are all St. Rose Hospitals (de Lima, San Martin and Sienna.)
To be honest healthcare is in terrible shape across the board, so I don't think we should blame every religious affiliated healthcare provider simply because a few suck. 10% rule, IMO. |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
That wasn't what I said at all. Did you READ 1% of what I wrote? I didn't say 1 Catholic hospital stunk - I was addressing the deceitful tactics they are allegedly using in the non-profit world. I strongly hinted at the deceitful agenda of Ascension Health owned by the Catholic Church getting fat off of tax relief because they are allegedly providing charity services to hospital patients. In fact, there was recent article about 1-1.5 months ago in the Tennessean newspaper questioning WHY they got special treamtent of a non-profit organization when they're one of the most profitable healthcare organizations in the country. They were recently added to the fortune 500 list according to what I cut and pasted. It's hard to be so profitable if you're doing all the charity you claim to be doing. - Tom F. |
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Outta Work Pimp Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Relax bro. Yes I read what you wrote. I was trying to comment on the fact that every organization/company/etc... has the 10% rule, meaning we could sit here all day and pick apart the legitimacy of any of them based on the 10% rule. I simply pointed out that CHW runs a damn fine ship here on the West Coast. No need to get riled up. I know what your point was, I guess I am reacting to the generlizations, which I set aside for young people and terrorists. You have a real good handle on this subject. I tend to disagree with your solutions, but of course you're pretty dialed in with healthcare. I should ask, how did we get on Healthcare in an 'oil crises' thread, anyway? And why is it a crises? Because gas is going up? Well, welcome to the real world, America. Anyway, hope that clears things up a bit. |
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Outta Work Pimp Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Good point. Question is not about if they make a profit, or the bottom line is huge, but where the profits go, right? So if they make a boatload of money that means they pour a boatload into charity. That is the theory, anyway. 10% rule also applies. |
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