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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Side by side, element by element. Like I said elsewhere, they both sound reasonable. T. Boone was encouraged by both compared to prior leaders (a-hem).
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/05/energy.plans/index.html |
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Pro Bowl Player |
Well, Obama's spending the night in bumFavre, IN along with spending the bulk of the day Wednesday in bumFavre, and it's supposedly just to talk about his energy policy to a Republican stronghold full of RV industry factory workers. He must have something pretty important to announce about his energy policy, so their policies may not be so similar for long.
EDIT: Maybe if you go to http://www.obamabayh08.com it just might redirect you to something that could possibly give one a little bit of speculative insight as to what he plans to talk about. |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
I think you might be on to something (!).
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I really didn't intend to derail your thread, Shep....I just had a gut feeling that I was "on to this" in the middle of the night last night when I read that first story I posted in the other thread about his trip to talk energy (for 21 hours) and started adding things up. Then I was surprised to wake up to the talking heads still talking about Hillary. I may be totally off the mark on this one, but as I've said before, this just seems like a REALLY strange campaign stop if it is indeed just to talk about his energy policy (which is not that far off from McCain's.) There, now the thread is somewhat back on track. I tried.  |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
So it turns out Obama's tire suggestion is one also actively given by the AAA, Scharzenegger and Charlie Crist... and the U.S. Government among others. And by others, I mean... everybody.
Consensus is that proper tire pressure would increase gas efficiency by 4 percent, or in the ballpark of .16 to .18 a gallon. So kudos to McCain for handing out tire gauges! But they should say "IRONY" on them. Kudos to Obama for the great answer when the woman asked what she could do to increase her fuel efficiency. Really, have to file this as another "Oops, He Did It Again" for McCain, though. Up there with the heavily ridiculed Paris-Britney ad. Jay Leno: McCain has an ad comparing Obama to Paris and Britney. Obama is countering with an ad comparing McCain to Zsa Zsa Gabor and Bea Arthur. |
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Outta Work Pimp Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters  |
Wait, I am choosing a POTUS based on tire pressure? If you do not know that tire pressure is good for MPG, than you should not be voting. This is not rocket science folks. If Obama gets Kudos for this then maybe you're not up to speed on the real problems we face. Christ, Shep. You patting him on the back for tire pressure? And idiot McCain buys into it. Incredible. |
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Skipper of the Lake Erie Booze Patrol Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters  |
Nor is it an either or. Do what you can to use a little less and save a little. And drill. And build nukes. And burn col. And tap into natural gas. WSS |
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Pro Bowl Player |
All of the above plus solar and wind. DO EVERYTHING. T. Bones Pickens, apparently, has such a plan but some on this board prefer to vilify him rather than listen to THIS message from him. |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
I haven't seen anybody vilifying T. Boone. His plan is great and he says Obama's is the closets to his.
We have to be very careful that we don't try to "drill our way out of this," as he says, and end up extending our addiction to oil. The core of the plan has to be GETTING OFF OF OIL, with a short-term (10 year) plan to lower the percentage of oil coming from overseas. The confusing part: A few months ago, McCain said OSD was useless. Then we read that it would take 6-8 years to get to market and 30 years to affect price. Magically, it's dropped to 1-2 years to get to market and 6-8 years to affect price. Weird. And convenient. Obama has acquiesced to OSD, but admittedly as a bargaining chip to get agreement on a larger energy plan that focuses on plug-in hybrids, wind, solar... a major revolution. T. Boone loves his plan... but admittedly doesn't hate McCain's, either. The OSD element has to be a small part of it. |
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>>I haven't seen anybody vilifying T. Boone.>>
Maybe it was just one riled-up and disgruntled poster, Shep. Funny how you don't remember his post but selectively remember certain ones from certain people. Oops. Me bad. We need to exdent our current Love Fest <G> |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
I don't remember it because I didn't see it.
He was a douchebag to help fund that smear campaign on Kerry, but he's right about the energy plan, and it does carry weight coming from a man who bleeds crude oil. |
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Skipper of the Lake Erie Booze Patrol Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
And no doubt has the opportunity to make a few cents in natural gas..... Of course Kerry was a XXXXXXXXX so the information campaign was necessary. WSS |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
You do know most of the culprits apologized, right? And dozens of FIRSTHAND dudes came forward with a petition supporting Kerry? Nobody really calls it anything but a smear campaign. Kerry was a dreadful candidate... and a war hero. |
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calfoxwc Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters  |
Shep ******************************************* We have another war hero-pres nominee for ya, Shep ! There ya go ! |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
I'm not sure I've read that McCain was a war hero... only that he was captured. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But I don't think he's a very good candidate at all. |
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>>I'm not sure I've read that McCain was a war hero... only that he was captured. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.>>
If he was a Democrat, Shep, you bee oogling all over his hero-dom. I would say that being captured, tortured, etc. by the enemy immediately classifies McCain as a war hero. How was he going to garner Purple Hearts when he spent all of his days and nights in captivity? PS I don't even believe that YOU believe what you said. |
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AFC North Player of the Month |
It is kind of funny that McCain is suddenly a "war hero" for his actions while in captivity.
When I think of a war hero I think of a guy who goes above and beyond in the service of his brothers in arms. And most of those guys end up dead, not politicians. Not trying to take anything away from McCain by saying that, by the by. He deserves credit for having real courage and true honor by turning down special treatment repeatedly while he was a POW. Just not sure that makes him a "war hero." On that topic, anybody see "Flags of Our Fathers"? Has an interesting take on this very idea. |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
No, I honestly and sincerely would not. And I asked the question honestly -- did McCain do something amazingly heroic while captured? He may well have. I just haven't heard it. He went through an ordeal but he had no choice in the matter. He was captured. I don't question his bravery. I'm only saying that being a war hero -- saving the lives of fellow soldiers, etc. -- and getting shot down or captured are two very different things. |
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That disgruntled poster was me. The swiftboat smear campaign was total garbage and he gave a million to it,so while he made billions from oil he is still a person who doesnt warrant any attention. He isnt offering anything than what we already know we need to do. |
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he·ro Audio Help /ˈhɪəroʊ/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[heer-oh] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun, plural -roes; for 5 also -ros. 1. a man of distinguished courage or ability, admired for his brave deeds and noble qualities. a man of distinguished courage or ability, admired for his brave deeds and noble qualities. 2. a person who, in the opinion of others, has heroic qualities or has performed a heroic act and is regarded as a model or ideal: He was a local hero when he saved the drowning child. 3. the principal male character in a story, play, film, etc. 4. Classical Mythology. a. a being of godlike prowess and beneficence who often came to be honored as a divinity. b. (in the Homeric period) a warrior-chieftain of special strength, courage, or ability. c. (in later antiquity) an immortal being; demigod. 5. hero sandwich. 6. the bread or roll used in making a hero sandwich. Little Feat - Time Loves a Hero Well they say time loves a hero but only time will tell If he's real, he's a legend from heaven If he ain't he was sent here from hell Hear me well Seein' ain't always believin' Just make sure it's the truth that you're seein' Eyes sometimes lie, eyes sometimes lie They can be real deceivin' I got an Uncle in Puerto Rico Spends his days in the sun his nights in the casinos He left the States many years ago Took a fishin' boat to Puerto Rico Now my aunt, she is sad and lonely She'll never know that she drove him away As a coward I admire his courageous ways Well they say time loves a hero but only time will tell If he's real, he's a legend from heaven If he ain't he was sent here from hell Some say my uncle, that he's a zero His life is as a shell, he left it back at Stateside I'd say he's doin' pretty well, without his shell Bumming 'round the beaches of Puerto Rico The beauty of the sunrise and sunset To his friends he wish he could tell They're at home still runnin' for bells Better San Juan than that blue collar hell Well they say time loves a hero but only time will tell If he's real, he's a legend from heaven If he ain't he was sent here from hell |
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