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But yes Europe is pretty fun. I'd be interested to see what it is like as an adult and not the asshole American college student blazing through pubs like Sherman went through Atlanta.

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And he doesn't need anywhere close to "12 lobotomies to be Bushian."

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I like to think I honed my game in Lauderdale, Daytona, and Amsterdam. At least I think I had game. Once. Long ago.

Sadder still to see Me and Shep on the same page for a second.........

WSS

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Originally posted by rich4eagle:
Your darts were impressive.........let me pull some of em out.......otherwise you failed to provide information on the subject matter or the debate........
Sure I did. I was able to drag out of you admittance on the topic of Kerry using fear-mongering in his presidential bid.
Did Kerry not testify that his fellow servicemen were commiting atrocities immediately after he concluded his service in Vietnam?
He built his political career on the rubble of his fellow servicemen's pride & character & then tried to play GI Joe as soon as the wind began blowing in that direction.
I brought up that.

BTW, Kerry is a Senator and clearly has stated his opposition against the mindless war Right after he supported it. Oops. ........I suppose you support the war........and Bush........... I did. I don't support Bush anymore, but I do support the war effort.


The MO on this board about Bush is he was blindly saluted for five plus years and all who said anything negative were labeled as traitors.....HERE...........
Well, when I said "this board" I really meant your M.O. I mean, you are the center of the universe.

What is shameful it took so many so long to see how bad this Admin is and yet still cannot bring themselves to condemn the ungodly destructive polices

Can YOU????????? NO shock here..........just having fun!

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yeah I know; shep and I...

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Originally posted by shepwrite:

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And he doesn't need anywhere close to "12 lobotomies to be Bushian."

Let's just agree on eight.

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Originally posted by shepwrite:

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yeah I know; shep and I...

Like the sentiment... worried that you had capitalized "Me" in the previous version!

C'mon, Shep, at leastI didn't use red letters....

I feel like Sandy in Grease. I can get really nostalgic about Spring Breaks and Florida this time of year. And I'm amazed at where the time went.

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Originally posted by rich4eagle:
you are spinning in circles circles? Only because I've had to repeat all 20 of my posts every time you ask me to "add some info" or "back it up with numbers" or whatever your repeat is.
inteRlaced with the personal insults but that is OK I'm only pointing out flaws in your style of debate. Your M.O. is that you get so wrapped up in "your cause" and eternally demand that "numbers be provided" that you often overlook when someone agrees with you, overlook when someone provides data, overlook when someone provides an opposing point of view. That's what the "center of the universe" comment was for...........
and I really sucked in few of your comments as good points........That would be the first time I've witnessed you acknowledging such. So, thanks?

I ask again though Kerry is not the President and has never been the President.........so why do you insist making this about Kerry and worse ME?
Someone asked why I didn't vote for him or why I voted for Bush or something. And then two days later, so did you.

And may I close with a question for what reason do you support the war............??? For exponential cluster-eff vaccuum that would be created if we left right now. For the political currency that would get tossed around by the administration that does pull out, as an excuse when the cluster-eff actually happens - along the lines of: "See, another attack on home soil. We should have left sooner. The war made it worse. etc..."
Especially, since the Iraqi people have no use and no desire in our being there?
Thats the hardest part for me. I think a majority of them do want us there. But a lot more than we think probably dont.
My head says: Leave, leave a love note that has the word "Nuk-yah-ler" on it, and never go back..
My heart says: Stay & fix the mess we created. Help rebuild the infrastructure, & let them build their army & police & government. We can't possibly train them anymore, can we? Boot camp is what, 6 weeks? Let them vote for their leader, and if they choose some derelict scumbag warlord that fcuks them out of foreign medical aid, food, etc. (as they are prone to do), tough shit. Vote him out.


salud.

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Originally posted by rich4eagle:
It appears we wont get over/around the points of contention you addresed in this space, so I deleted it so as to remove all temptation to continue punch "Eight Belles."

Now concerning the war. Being against the war does not mean one leaves instantly. Of course some folks like me never bought the lies that got us to start the war. I have been consistent since day one(2002 in the run up)in belief that it was a brutal uneeded attack based on lies and the want to be at war vs the need.
My view initially was that Saddam was a bastard & so were his sons. He cut checks to families of Hezbollah suicide bombers. Not Al Quaida per say, but I wouldnt have put it past him. Not as some evil mastermind plot to take over the world like Bush made him out to be, but just to "keep us on our toes" so to speak. As the situation in Iraq eroded, it became clear to me (thanks to a Mel Brooks movie) that Saddam had to be a bastard, because he "was surrounded by assholes."
WMDs: He had them. He bragged about having them & bragged about using them. I compare the UN inspections to construction jobsite safety inspectons (real construction sites, not your neighbor's new deck). {Safety} is so ingrained in you on the job that when the owner's rep calls ahead to say he will be coming to perform a "surprise" inspection, you don't even really have to change your daily routine aside from a small dog & pony show, if you're doing things right. I think Hans Blix gave Saddam all the time he needed to hide, move, or sell any WMD's that would have been found in 2003, just to keep said inspections "uneventful."

As far as attack on home soil it will happen again with or without the war and with or without muslims. This whole terrorist thing is a propaganda party to feed a giant war machine that cannot find a REAL formidable enemy. So a fantasy invisible enemy that is everywhere has been dreamed up because 20 guys and horse pulled of 9/11.
Huh? I believe it was Cornwallis that referred to the colonial militia as "peasants w/ pitchforks." But if you are correct, shame on us for not noticing a horse teaching 20 muslims how to fly a plane. That would have certainly caught my attention.

And Iraq had nothing to do with Al Queda or the horse........although word is the sire was an Iraqi horse.

I suppose you are not familiar with Viet Nam. We left in a huff, no meaasured withdrawal just pulled out and the communists took over Saigon in days.

The domino theory was about to eat us

Now Communist Viet Nam flourishes..........hmmmmmm.......sends a message about all those evil folks who cannot cope without world US occupation.
Just because I was born well after that abortion of foreign policy ended doesn't mean I dont konw about it. I think we could agree that Vietnam would be a bad example of how to leave.

Anyway, I would subscribe to a withdrawal plan that is measrued over a year or two. Then let them be.
I would definitely buy that.

you are a smart guy...........get a bit of humility it can help your arguments immensely
Thanks. You first.


Salud again........burppppp

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Bud you miss the PULP FICTION ref and then quote GREASE???

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Originally posted by Legacy Fan:

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Originally posted by rich4eagle:
It appears we wont get over/around the points of contention you addresed in this space, so I deleted it so as to remove all temptation to continue punch "Eight Belles."

Now concerning the war. Being against the war does not mean one leaves instantly. Of course some folks like me never bought the lies that got us to start the war. I have been consistent since day one(2002 in the run up)in belief that it was a brutal uneeded attack based on lies and the want to be at war vs the need.
My view initially was that Saddam was a bastard & so were his sons. He cut checks to families of Hezbollah suicide bombers. Not Al Quaida per say, but I wouldnt have put it past him. Not as some evil mastermind plot to take over the world like Bush made him out to be, but just to "keep us on our toes" so to speak. As the situation in Iraq eroded, it became clear to me (thanks to a Mel Brooks movie) that Saddam had to be a bastard, because he "was surrounded by assholes."
WMDs: He had them. He bragged about having them & bragged about using them. I compare the UN inspections to construction jobsite safety inspectons (real construction sites, not your neighbor's new deck). {Safety} is so ingrained in you on the job that when the owner's rep calls ahead to say he will be coming to perform a "surprise" inspection, you don't even really have to change your daily routine aside from a small dog & pony show, if you're doing things right. I think Hans Blix gave Saddam all the time he needed to hide, move, or sell any WMD's that would have been found in 2003, just to keep said inspections "uneventful."

As far as attack on home soil it will happen again with or without the war and with or without muslims. This whole terrorist thing is a propaganda party to feed a giant war machine that cannot find a REAL formidable enemy. So a fantasy invisible enemy that is everywhere has been dreamed up because 20 guys and horse pulled of 9/11.
Huh? I believe it was Cornwallis that referred to the colonial militia as "peasants w/ pitchforks." But if you are correct, shame on us for not noticing a horse teaching 20 muslims how to fly a plane. That would have certainly caught my attention.

And Iraq had nothing to do with Al Queda or the horse........although word is the sire was an Iraqi horse.

I suppose you are not familiar with Viet Nam. We left in a huff, no meaasured withdrawal just pulled out and the communists took over Saigon in days.

The domino theory was about to eat us

Now Communist Viet Nam flourishes..........hmmmmmm.......sends a message about all those evil folks who cannot cope without world US occupation.
Just because I was born well after that abortion of foreign policy ended doesn't mean I dont konw about it. I think we could agree that Vietnam would be a bad example of how to leave.

Anyway, I would subscribe to a withdrawal plan that is measrued over a year or two. Then let them be.
I would definitely buy that.

you are a smart guy...........get a bit of humility it can help your arguments immensely
Thanks. You first.


Salud again........burppppp

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Salud again........burppppp

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Umm, ok. People are as familiar with those "facts" as they are The Beatles.

..and he "suddenly became evil & appalling" when he invaded Kuwait (right after he gassed the Kurds). Fact.

I'm not sure how "crushed & disarmed" they really got either. Could someone explain how you "crush" these guys?

Because if those guys spent 10 years being "crushed, disarmed, & enuched" why are they currently whipping our asses?