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So would that not make that an act of aggression if not out right war. I don't think criminals would atttack a military target. |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
So whom were the attackers and whom did we declare war against.............
you continue to impress with duh sumtim irrelevant go for it answer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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criminals who have a religous based beliefs and causation to attack what they term as "infidels" will want to hurt us where they think its hurts the most.
Criminals who thrive on reputation by attacking a target that most people think impossible. Just because this organized crime syndicate who uses religion and political opinions to justify their actions does not change the fact they are criminals. Tim Mcviegh was still just a criminal even though he helped with the oklahoma city bombing of a federal building. These guys are no different than Mcveigh and his bunch they are just better funded and organized. We are not at war with a tactic, that is a silly slogan not a reality. Al queda is a group of criminals with an agenda, they use thier reputation to get donations and recruits. |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Seriously? War hero versus draft dodger is really a push?
Seriously???? |
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Hall of Fame Legend |
"Push" was for both Dumbya & Heinz-Kerry using terrorism as fear-baiting in their 2004 campaigns.
Which is why I included it after that paragraph. *edit* I'll leave the "War Hero" tag alone. Waaay alone. |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Excuse me Kerry was never President and i worked the polls in the 04 election and by far the biggest issue was "terrorism and security" so all Kerry was doing was trying to capture votes knowing that if he said different all those votes would go to the guy who put the nation in fear and continually used fear to abolish the Constitution and the Geneva Convetions and used fear aa a campaign message.............that and lies about the budget while selling us to the Chinese............ The only chance Kerry had was to play the terrorism card as well and differentiate in other areas |
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Hall of Fame Legend |
*edit*
Which he didn't or was unable to do. Pretty sorry excuse for a statesmen when you compare that to what he he had to differentiate from. |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
You brought up Kerry god knows why because he lost and one more time he was never President.
Bush has fed us bullshit and lies for seven plus years and is spending us broke and killing our kids while we have runamway inflation and a recession and shrinking home prices and jobs disappearing and four trillion dollars of new debt and more double increase in gasoline prices and a dollar that has nearly lost 50% of it's value and two wrongs do not make a right ........but what is said before an election does not equate to actions after the election ie Bush I am a uniter not a divider and I am not into Nation Building and Iraq has Weapons of Mass Destruction and Mission Accomplished the last two lies while a sitting president perjuring himself and the first two campaign promises that were 180 from actions........... All Kerry did was say he was getting the terrorists which probably would have been done instead of the cluster fque going on now Keep focusing on Kerry playing the fear card hoping to win and stopping the insanity running the nation........cool Pretty sad excuse is Bush popularity being greater than zero |
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Perhaps he start there.|
Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Your darts were impressive.........let me pull some of em out.......otherwise you failed to provide information on the subject matter or the debate........
BTW, Kerry is a Senator and clearly has stated his opposition against the mindless war........I suppose you support the war........and Bush........... The MO on this board about Bush is he was blindly saluted for five plus years and all who said anything negative were labeled as traitors.....HERE........... What is shameful it took so many so long to see how bad this Admin is and yet still cannot bring themselves to condemn the ungodly destructive polices Can YOU????????? NO shock here..........just having fun! |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
I'm not getting that one, Leg. He narced out really shitty people who did really shitty things... and you think he impugned their pride and character? The guys raping and pillaging didn't really have any, right? So he's a boy scout. A damn do-gooder and truth teller and a war hero. Damn him to hell! Give me the drunken, coke-smoking draft dodger any time! WHOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! Seriously, you voted for the worst president in U.S. history. Conjuring John Kerry ain't gonna make that go away. You would have done way more for your country by not getting out of bed that day. |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
It was. It's a strange thing -- you can definitely be smart and airheaded. I'm sure Kerry knows the difference... but maybe not at that moment. It's true of some really, really smart and insightful writers I know. Deep thinkers. Put them in a luxury box at Staples with a few other people and they come off like total dolts. Put an agent in that same box, or even a Hollywood lawyer, and he has this really limited array of shallow factoids and allusions, but he can wield them expertly. He comes off like he knows more or has more lucid opinions than the writer. |
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Hall of Fame Legend |
Narcing out shitty people who did shitty things would have been admirable.
He testified that atrocities were the norm. It was daily. Like right after breakfast. And the officers were high-fiving all the way up the chain of command. But when actually questioned, subpeoned, etc. about it, the stories about the "shitty people" could not be verified. And when some instances of atrocities were verified, those responsible were punished/discharged immediately. I'm not naive enough to think everyone over there was a boyscout, but it wasn't Oliver Stone either. |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Leg, then that becomes a REALLY mind blowing accusation: You're suggesting that Kerry lied? That he made up atrocities?
That seems unlikely, man. He'd have to be batshit crazy or something and I don't think he is. I think he's a guy that doesn't give a shit about some soldier code of silence. I rape and murder and you don't tell. Frankly, I think Kerry probably said just what he saw and knew. |
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Not lied. Exagerrated. Makes it easier to be disgusted about the atrocities if it's an epidemic (or military policy
 ) as opposed to isolated incidents.Because then you can shift the focus of the blame onto the administration (clearly one of the goals of VVAW in collaboration with the NVA - worked on in Paris) instead of the soldiers that committed the atrocities. A result of that squashes any opposition to the VVAW or their cause, by equating that opposition to being "Pro-atrocities" - kind of like you jokingly did to me earlier. Kind of a genius move on their part, but I still don't agree with it. |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Or maybe he just told what he saw?
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He could have done that:
1. as it was happening. 2. Without joining the VVAW. 3. Without traveling to Europe. |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
But come on... everything's more fun in Europe. Later. While belonging to the VVAW. Everything.
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